Do you think there will be any negative effects of #metoo for women?

[UglyCasanova]

There is definitely a much needed sea change going on regarding the treatment of women in the workplace, but unfortunately with pendulum swings it has a habit of swinging too far and unforeseen consequences tend to pop up. No doubt HR departments are reanalyzing how they treat sexual harassment and that's a good thing, but I've already heard talk of things like shaking hands being lumped into unprovoked physical contact, having a three foot halo around them that you aren't allowed to breach uninvited, and other absurd things.

Not sure if those examples are legit or not but I'm sure policies will be enacted to protect the company (or gov agency) from liabilities and those policies don't always make sense. Look what happened in schools with zero tolerance rules and such, in an effort to protect against lawsuits common sense tends to go out the window.

Given this newfound fear of liabilities surrounding it what do you think (if any) are the downsides for women? I can see companies shying away from hiring women - not officially, some other reason will be found not to hire - out of fear of sexual harassment lawsuits. Especially in smaller companies whomever is doing the hiring might think it's best to just not hire a woman rather than risk it. And will when there is blow back over all of this - and there will be - will that just work to undermine legitimate complaints?

 

[alien42]

this is like asking if there would be negative affects for women and minorities receiving equal rights.

 

[mect]

Sure, there are almost always some negative effects, but the positive effects will by far outweigh the negatives.

 

[K1052]

What the media, entertainment industry, political profession, and restaurant industries appear to be going through is something that the rest of us in corporate or small biz America have been dealing with for years. Some industries are at a different point than others. It has not stopped us from hiring women.

 

[Starbuck1975]

There are already negative effects. #metoo is a politically opportunistic movement that dies once Trump is out of office.

You have Presidential contenders using #metoo to further their political ambitions and offer blood sacrifices.

There will be liability and civil implications once the pendulum inevitably swings too far, such as the Mattress Girl case.

There is always the cry wolf dynamic that dilutes the conversation.

We should not accept Twitter and social media kangaroo courts.

I am even starting to notice a growing tension at my workplace where there wasn't one before. Even simple things like handshakes with clients or hugs with coworkers have become awkward.

 

[pauldun170]

Given this newfound fear of liabilities surrounding it what do you think (if any) are the downsides for women? I can see companies shying away from hiring women - not officially, some other reason will be found not to hire - out of fear of sexual harassment lawsuits. Especially in smaller companies whomever is doing the hiring might think it's best to just not hire a woman rather than risk it. And will when there is blow back over all of this - and there will be - will that just work to undermine legitimate complaints?

The risk of a sexual harassment lawsuit is less than the risk for being slapped with a sexual discrimination lawsuit.
Fear of litigation has been around for awhile now and I don't see the #metoo having any significant impact on hiring practices. At most, training programs might be updated a bit. If a company has no policies in place around training they might slap some up in the employee manual. If a company does not have an employee manual, they might create one or get one from etsy or something.

In workplaces where non-professional behavior is more common (Police departments, firehouses, blue collar shops, crappy startups) it might result in more crappy jokes and tacky innuendo.

Whoever told you that shaking hands is being lumped in is lying to you.
Shaking hands is always the safest bet, unless cultural crap is involved
.

 

[pauldun170]

What the media, entertainment industry, political profession, and restaurant industries appear to be going through is something that the rest of us in corporate or small biz America have been dealing with for years. Some industries are at a different point than others. It has not stopped us from hiring women.

Bingo

 

[alien42]

There are already negative effects. #metoo is a politically opportunistic movement that dies once Trump is out of office.

You have Presidential contenders using #metoo to further their political ambitions and offer blood sacrifices.

There will be liability and civil implications once the pendulum inevitably swings too far, such as the Mattress Girl case.

There is always the cry wolf dynamic that dilutes the conversation.

We should not accept Twitter and social media kangaroo courts.

I am even starting to notice a growing tension at my workplace where there wasn't one before. Even simple things like handshakes with clients or hugs with coworkers have become awkward.

#oppressedwhitemale

 

[realibrad]

#oppressedwhitemale

That is what you took away from his post? Honest question here, can you point out where he was saying white men are being oppressed? I would assume that you just threw that out there because he feels there are negatives and you assume anyone not thinking the current situation is all good is a white nationalist.

 

[pauldun170]

In 1997, Tarana Burke sat across from a 13-year-old girl who had been sexually abused. The young girl was explaining her experience, and it left Ms. Burke speechless. That moment is where the Me Too campaign was born.
.....
Ten years after that conversation, Ms. Burke created Just Be Inc., a nonprofit organization that helps victims of sexual harassment and assault. She sought out the resources that she had not found readily available to her 10 years before and committed herself to being there for people who had been abused.

And she gave her movement a name: Me Too.

On Sunday, those two words burst into the spotlight of social media with #metoo, a hashtag promoted by the actress Alyssa Milano.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/us/me-too-movement-tarana-burke.html

The driving force behind the #metoo movement has been around for awhile and it women coming forward took off like a rocket after all the Cosby accusers came forward. From O'Reilly to Ailes to even Bob fricken Barker.
The Weinstein thing is what led to it becoming a formalized movement.

Too now claim it's some "politically opportunistic movement" requires a 4th degree black belt in obtuseness.

I do think it is a fair statement to say that some people may be trying to hitch a ride on the #metoo train for "reasons"

 

[Younigue]

I'm very concerned about this movement. I absolutely believe things must change but taking the livelihood away from men who have committed minor offenses puts in danger the depth of compassion and empathy for deeper more heinous violations against women. To be clear I don't give one iota how this is affecting men. I'm worried how it will affect women in general. The men that will hurt or objectify women are often the same ones who are vindictive and viciously petty.

 

[realibrad]

I'm very concerned about this movement. I absolutely believe things must change but taking the livelihood away from men who have committed minor offenses puts in danger the depth of compassion and empathy for deeper more heinous violations against women. To be clear I don't give one iota how this is affecting men. I'm worried how it will affect women in general. The men that will hurt or objectify women are often the same ones who are vindictive and viciously petty.

You don't care about the men that are harmed, only the women? That seems cold. Do you mean to say you don't feel bad for the punishment for the ones accused are are guilty, or do you mean to say that you don't even feel bad for the minor offenders and or innocent men?

 

[Starbuck1975]

#oppressedwhitemale

#readingcomprehension
#friendzone

 

[feralkid]

There are already negative effects. #metoo is a politically opportunistic movement that dies once Trump is out of office.

You have Presidential contenders using #metoo to further their political ambitions and offer blood sacrifices.

There will be liability and civil implications once the pendulum inevitably swings too far, such as the Mattress Girl case.

There is always the cry wolf dynamic that dilutes the conversation.

We should not accept Twitter and social media kangaroo courts.

I am even starting to notice a growing tension at my workplace where there wasn't one before. Even simple things like handshakes with clients or hugs with coworkers have become awkward.

Is that you Bloom Axe?

 

[Younigue]

You don't care about the men that are harmed, only the women? That seems cold. Do you mean to say you don't feel bad for the punishment for the ones accused are are guilty, or do you mean to say that you don't even feel bad for the minor offenders and or innocent men?

There is an epidemic of mistreatment, discrimination and looking the other way. I said I don't think they should lose their livelihoods for lesser offenses but that does not remove the fact that there was misconduct. If there hadn't been any at all their lives wouldn't have been open to dismantling. No, I don't feel bad for them. But if you mean do I feel bad about men being harmed in the ways #metoo represents... Of course I do ya dumb shit. That being said, I'm not doing this with you brad. In fact, I might just go ahead and put you on ignore. Conversations with you are tedious.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Is that you Bloom Axe?

What's a bloom axe? Sounds pretty

 

[realibrad]

There is an epidemic of mistreatment, discrimination and looking the other way. I said I don't think they should lose their livelihoods for lesser offenses but that does not remove the fact that there was misconduct. If there hadn't been any at all their lives wouldn't have been open to dismantling. No, I don't feel bad for them. But if you mean do I feel bad about men being harmed in the ways #metoo represents... Of course I do ya dumb shit. That being said, I'm not doing this with you brad. In fact, I might just go ahead and put you on ignore. Conversations with you are tedious.

I asked two parts to get through that quicker.

Yes, there has been mistreatment, but most societies feel there should be a punishment equal to the crime. If someone's entire life is ruined for what you say is a lesser offense then I would think its rational to feel bad. It would be like saying that because someone jaywalked that you would not care about their life being ruined. I can see some empathy being lost, but to say you dont care at all does seem a little cold. Just because you say you do not think they should have their lives ruined, does not mean its not cold that you dont care.

Your statements seem incongruent to me. If you dont feel like talking to me, then by all means put me on ignore.

 

[jmagg]

There are already negative effects. #metoo is a politically opportunistic movement that dies once Trump is out of office.

You have Presidential contenders using #metoo to further their political ambitions and offer blood sacrifices.

There will be liability and civil implications once the pendulum inevitably swings too far, such as the Mattress Girl case.

There is always the cry wolf dynamic that dilutes the conversation.

We should not accept Twitter and social media kangaroo courts.

I am even starting to notice a growing tension at my workplace where there wasn't one before. Even simple things like handshakes with clients or hugs with coworkers have become awkward.

I agree with most of this, but metoo was and is obviously necessary.

 

[realibrad]

I agree with most of this, but metoo was and is obviously necessary.

But I personally wonder if its being misunderstood.

Let me ask you this, do you consider it a problem if a person of greater power asks a person of lesser power out on a date?

 

[Blackjack200]

Guys. What's if it's bad that women stop getting harassed and assaulted. Has anyone thought of that yet.

Guys.

 

[jmagg]

But I personally wonder if its being misunderstood.

Let me ask you this, do you consider it a problem if a person of greater power asks a person of lesser power out on a date?

Absolutely, love is blind,
although I have commented that I see consent forms in the future.

 

[realibrad]

Absolutely, love is blind,
although I have commented that I see consent forms in the future.

I'm not talking about love though. Should someone with greater power be able to ask someone of lesser power out. It includes love, but its a bigger question.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Guys. What's if it's bad that women stop getting harassed and assaulted. Has anyone thought of that yet.

Guys.

No one is denying there is a problem. A few of us are saying the #metoo solution will backfire spectacularly due to its inherent politically opportunisitic intent

 

[jmagg]

I suppose lust is blind too, but sign the form.

 

[realibrad]

Guys. What's if it's bad that women stop getting harassed and assaulted. Has anyone thought of that yet.

Guys.

Depends on how that is accomplished. You could end all male sexual harassment by killing all men. Or, it could be that there is a shift in human respect and people stop doing shitty things. Huge difference with the same outcome.