Very well said Snarf Snarf! Thank you.Here's the thing with due process, it has existed for as long as this country has been a patriarchy. What you guys fail to understand is that it's nearly impossible to prove that these things happen without women wearing ass cams 24/7. Rape charges are one of the hardest things to get to stick to a man unless the woman buys a rape kit within 12 hours of being raped.
All of the men that have gone down in this recent outing of creeps have a distinct pattern of behavior that is corroborated across multiple incidents. None of these men were fired for a single case of sexual harassment, and usually no single accusation has that kind of power behind it.
The means of proving guilt in these types of cases are inherently biased towards the male and require that the female go to great lengths to be able to actually prove anything. I'm not sure how many women you guys know have been sexually harassed or abused by someone above them, but at my age (30) it's a perfect 100%. That's every single female friend that I have, including my own mother who was a victim of an attempted rape, coincidentally the guy walked because there was no hard proof to get a conviction.
TLDR: Women have literally always had the looming threat of sexual misconduct used against them as a means of suppressing the truth. If men are beginning to fear that their actions will be used against them, that is a net positive for society. If you were raised correctly to respect women and treat them as equals, not an object of lust or affection, you have nothing to worry about. If you fear something you did was inappropriate, ask the recipient if they thought it was, if it was, apologize and ask for an explanation of why you made them uncomfortable.
I said nothing about liberals being "the true good guys." I was responding to your allegation that liberals are hypocrites on this issue, when in fact, its conservatives who are the hypocrites. But you're not going to respond to that, because you're just trolling here.
That, and Hitler.
Concise enough for you?
The means of proving guilt in these types of cases are inherently biased towards the male and require that the female go to great lengths to be able to actually prove anything. I'm not sure how many women you guys know have been sexually harassed or abused by someone above them, but at my age (30) it's a perfect 100%. That's every single female friend that I have, including my own mother who was a victim of an attempted rape, coincidentally the guy walked because there was no hard proof to get a conviction.
I spoke nothing of "hypocracy". Thats too soft of a charge. Most are simply frauds and their guilt by omission proves this. Capiche?
Still waiting on those threads btw, @alien42 , @feralkid , @Blackjack200 , @Victorian Gray
Every woman I know as well.Sadly, this is true for all the women I know as well, at least all those I've spoken to on the subject. That includes mother, sister, wife, friends and coworkers. My wife says if you're female, 40+ and have worked most of your adult life, the chances you have not been harassed at least once are slim to none. I never would have believed it was this prevalent until all the recent news stories which prompted me to start discussing it with people I know personally.
So in summary, if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear. Ironic that the people who typically make that argument also tend to side on the police state side of most discussions.Here's the thing with due process, it has existed for as long as this country has been a patriarchy. What you guys fail to understand is that it's nearly impossible to prove that these things happen without women wearing ass cams 24/7. Rape charges are one of the hardest things to get to stick to a man unless the woman buys a rape kit within 12 hours of being raped.
All of the men that have gone down in this recent outing of creeps have a distinct pattern of behavior that is corroborated across multiple incidents. None of these men were fired for a single case of sexual harassment, and usually no single accusation has that kind of power behind it.
The means of proving guilt in these types of cases are inherently biased towards the male and require that the female go to great lengths to be able to actually prove anything. I'm not sure how many women you guys know have been sexually harassed or abused by someone above them, but at my age (30) it's a perfect 100%. That's every single female friend that I have, including my own mother who was a victim of an attempted rape, coincidentally the guy walked because there was no hard proof to get a conviction.
TLDR: Women have literally always had the looming threat of sexual misconduct used against them as a means of suppressing the truth. If men are beginning to fear that their actions will be used against them, that is a net positive for society. If you were raised correctly to respect women and treat them as equals, not an object of lust or affection, you have nothing to worry about. If you fear something you did was inappropriate, ask the recipient if they thought it was, if it was, apologize and ask for an explanation of why you made them uncomfortable.
So in summary, if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear. Ironic that the people who typically make that argument also tend to side on the police state side of most discussions.
I've never done any of the things you mentioned. I advocate for due process not out of fear but out of respect for the rule of law.
No one is denying there is a problem. A few of us are saying the #metoo solution will backfire spectacularly due to its inherent politically opportunisitic intent
Is this how you rationalize your lack of compassion for these women?I've got to laugh at all the faux morality that the left has adopted once they felt it was politically expedient to do so. Prior, a blind eye was turned, it was joked about, winked about, it was accepted and even expected. The political class, the entertainers, big business types and rich folks (the latter two who were the 'good kind') all did it with the full blessing of the left. Why, you're doing wonderful things for us, you're entertaining us and you, you are providing me with a slew of electronic gadgets that are an integral part of my life.
You tolerated it before but now, it's all different and it hasn't got fuck all to do with what the dumbest of you think it does.
If there are any setbacks, they'll be tiny compared to the advantages.
Consider this: remember how toxic online communities were just a few years ago? How you couldn't even mention women advocating against sexism and harassment without some GamerGater/MRA type pretending that men were the real victims? Yeah... they've mostly gone quiet now. Hey, it turns out that women were right all along when they talked about often they dealt with harassment and assault, and that it's a systemic issue, not just a "few bad apples."
Mind you, I suspect some of those old haters just redirected their energy into cheering for Trump, he's the supreme champion of bigotry.
What do you mean by trial? Yes, false reports hurt the real victims, but studies suggest that these reports are relatively rare. The problem with due process is that is up to the employers to enforce, and the entire issue stems from the fact that in many environments, such behavior is simply tolerated. A woman reports sexual harassment, and her male boss just says, "yeah, he does that, that's just the way he is." And so women stop reporting because it doesn't do anything. The only way we seem to be making any progress is by skipping due process and just going public with the information. Once businesses and government organizations stop blaming the victims and begin to take these issues seriously, there won't be a need for these women to expose these issues to the public because those that are perpetual harassers won't (hopefully) ever make it to the senate or other positions of power. Currently, it is up to each individual to make a personal judgement based on the information publicly presented because the systems in place are failing. No, we aren't expected to believe every report, but the media has generally been doing a pretty good job of validating these claims. They caught the group trying to intentionally feed false reports against Moore for example. When we start to get dozens of reports, it comes time to decide, do I think every one of these women is lying? To me, that takes victim blaming to an unconscionable level.But false report only hurt the real victim, I mean They got punished before due process, and we just expected to believe every report without checking the validity. All of this will create apathy.
If the real sexual harassment occurred just tell authority, but never judge or punish people without trials, it's sickening me seeing people life destroyed just because he was accused and before being proven guilty.
But false report only hurt the real victim, I mean They got punished before due process, and we just expected to believe every report without checking the validity. All of this will create apathy.
If the real sexual harassment occurred just tell authority, but never judge or punish people without trials, it's sickening me seeing people life destroyed just because he was accused and before being proven guilty.
So in summary, if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear. Ironic that the people who typically make that argument also tend to side on the police state side of most discussions.
I've never done any of the things you mentioned. I advocate for due process not out of fear but out of respect for the rule of law.
Do you think there will be any negative effects of #metoo for women?
You have to grab someone's ass to get to know them? Or are you suggesting that false sexual harassment claims are going to grow so rampant that you won't dare interact with women for fear that they'll falsely accuse you? I don't get the logic here. I'm not aware of anyone that thinks trying to kiss a woman you've been flirting with in a social setting would be considered sexual harassment. Have you? In a social setting, just keep your hands off a woman's boobs, ass, and vagina, and just basically stay out of their personal space if you aren't in a relationship with them, and you'll be fine.Well it doesn't just happen at the workplace, right?
So the backlash will be more... division and mistrust between strangers. If you want an emotionally dead, cold shoulder, this is how we obtain that dystopian future where the worker bees don't even regard one another as human. Feelings, empathy, compassion and getting to know one another? No one can afford the liability on that!
I envision a parallel to a completely sterile and germ free environment. But maybe I have a strong imagination.
I spoke nothing of "hypocracy". Thats too soft of a charge. Most are simply frauds and their guilt by omission proves this. Capiche?
Still waiting on those threads btw, @alien42 , @feralkid , @Blackjack200 , @Victorian Gray
Where in all this is anyone losing the rights to due process? Where has the rule of law been infringed? Can you cite even a single example of such things happening because of #metoo ?
You should take a step back. Because it looks as though you, the OP, and a few others are saying that most of the women are lying. Or that you want the harassment to continue. Either way, your message that the woman need to hush up now if they want to keep their jobs is coming through and clear.
I think some of you need to step back.Where in all this is anyone losing the rights to due process? Where has the rule of law been infringed? Can you cite even a single example of such things happening because of #metoo ?
You should take a step back. Because it looks as though you, the OP, and a few others are saying that most of the women are lying. Or that you want the harassment to continue. Either way, your message that the woman need to hush up now if they want to keep their jobs is coming through and clear.
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So in summary, if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear. Ironic that the people who typically make that argument also tend to side on the police state side of most discussions.
I've never done any of the things you mentioned. I advocate for due process not out of fear but out of respect for the rule of law.
What I read was the accuser denied she made the complaint and her signature is a forgery. Not that the fraudulent claim was a purposeful false claim from the woman but the actual claim wasn't real. Is that incorrect?Chuck Schumer seems to have been the victim of a fraudulent #metoo which brings in a problem. Women are as opportunistic as men because we're all human. Making false claims for revenge or gain will make legitimate wrongs less credible. Chuck is apparently going after the woman with the law and that may be the only way to keep things kosher. The few ruin it for the many and that's not right.
What I read was the accuser denied she made the company and her signature is a forgery. Not that the fraudulent claim was a purposeful false claim from the woman but the actual claim wasn't real. Is that incorrect?