Do you think widescreen and/or xbrite is worth it?

TheWart

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I was just wondering, I am in the market for a laptop, and while I like the look of the widescreen/xbrite ones (looking at 12-14" laptops), I am wondering whether anyone could give me some first hand expereince as to whether they like the widescreen and/or xbrite features, and why.

Thanks a bunch
 

fbrdphreak

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The transreflective (XBrite, etc) screens are nice as they enhance brightness & colors. There is a NOTICEABLE increase in glare, but IMO it is something you adjust to. Just like if you had a glass TV in a living room that had a lot of lights. The lights reflect off the TV and you can see the reflection, but eventually you train your eyes to focus past it and you generally just see the screen.

Widescreen is a great way to get more desktop real estate in a less vertical package. For instance: a 14" widescreen has similar desktop real estate to a 15" XGA, but is generally considered more portable. The common 14" WXGA notebook run @ 1280x768, which provides a higher DPI than a 15" XGA @ 1024x768; that means you have more desktop real estate to work with, it is sharper & clearer, and it doesn't look like you're using an old 15" CRT! :Q
 

TheWart

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Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
The transreflective (XBrite, etc) screens are nice as they enhance brightness & colors. There is a NOTICEABLE increase in glare, but IMO it is something you adjust to. Just like if you had a glass TV in a living room that had a lot of lights. The lights reflect off the TV and you can see the reflection, but eventually you train your eyes to focus past it and you generally just see the screen.

Widescreen is a great way to get more desktop real estate in a less vertical package. For instance: a 14" widescreen has similar desktop real estate to a 15" XGA, but is generally considered more portable. The common 14" WXGA notebook run @ 1280x768, which provides a higher DPI than a 15" XGA @ 1024x768; that means you have more desktop real estate to work with, it is sharper & clearer, and it doesn't look like you're using an old 15" CRT! :Q

Thanks for the input.

I was thinking the same thing about the glare. While I was at the store, once I started poking around the desktop, my eyes were not bothered by the glare, and I only noticed it when I was actively looking for it. I could see where it could get annoying, but those screens are just sooo pretty, and the colors look waayy more vibrant than "normal" LCD's.
 

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I remember when Sony came out with perhaps the first laptop that had that technology. (at least that I had sen at the time) I was at Microcenter killing time, and saw that thing and my jaw just dropped. It was the durned purdiest thing these eyes had ever beheld up to that point.
 

vtohthree

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I had to make the same decision myself back when I purchased a laptop, minus the xbrite(didn't exist yet). Between the Dell i5150 and the i8600 I chose the 5150(non wide screen), only because I wasn't used to widescreen at the time and figured I wouldn't do much movie viewing and what not, but if I were to do it again, I think I'd go with the widescreen. If that helps..
 

Tostada

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When working with webpages and text documents, a widescreen is pretty useless since it doesn't reduce the amount of up/down scrolling you do. That's the only bad thing I can think of. The big upsides are that with smaller laptops, the laptop can be small and still have a good-sized keyboard, and with bigger laptops you can get 1600+ resolution and fit two pages next to each other.

I think the whole idea of getting a widescreen laptop just because it's better for watching DVDs is pretty dumb, it does make the laptop look better, and it gives you more keyboard space, so I wouldn't get a non-widescreen anymore.
 

beverage

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Yes, and Yes.

The glare you see on most brighstscreen laptops as stores is really overstated due to the high ammout of light in most retail stores. If makes a huge difference in standard use, and for almost no difference in price (most companies charge less than $25 to upgrade to bright screens on CTO models) it is a great improvement.

As far as widescreen is concerned, it's almost a no brainer in my opinion. so much more desktop space, not to mention it makes movies look great so you can use your laptop as a portable dvd player.
 

Mike01

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That glossy coating is more than just to enhance colors.

My viewing angle would be 90 degrees if it were possible to see around the side of the screen. Other than that, it's about 89. You can look straight down the side and see every pixel clearly.

 

TheWart

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Well, thanks for all the advice.

It pretty much jives with what I have felt, so I am glad to hear it.

And phaxmohdem, I remmeber the exact thing happening when I first saw those screens (except it was at a Costco)....I use to be up on all the hardware changes and whatnot, but completely missed the coming of those type of screens...I was like "wow, this looks like a crt, but has the benefits of an lcd.."
 

deathwalker

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I have a Dell 9300...it has a 17" widescreen with the xbrite technology(marketed under the Truelife trademark by Dell)...its very nice...although the xbrite screen does have more surface reflections in it under certain conditions. Im not convinced that the extra cost of upgrading to the 1920x1600 display witht he exbrite surface is really worth the money. The standard WXGA+ 1440x900 would have probably done very nicely with not that much difference in my viewing pleasure.
 

arcas

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I'd imagine xbrite's glare won't be a problem in a typical office/home setting but has anybody used an xbrite-type screen while sitting outside under a tree or on a deck? I'm curious if glare becomes a problem then.

 

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Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Widescreen is a great way to get more desktop real estate in a less vertical package. For instance: a 14" widescreen has similar desktop real estate to a 15" XGA, but is generally considered more portable.

I don't think this is true.

A 14" widescreen should be about 12x7.2, giving you 86.4 square inches
A 14" non-widescreen should be about 11.2x8.4, giving you 94 square inches
My 15" non-widescreen is 12x9, giving you 108 square inches.

You can increase the pixel real estate of either by getting higher resolution screens, but at the same number of pixels, the widescreen text should be smaller and harder to read...
 

lazybum131

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Originally posted by: Conroy9
I don't think this is true.

A 14" widescreen should be about 12x7.2, giving you 86.4 square inches
A 14" non-widescreen should be about 11.2x8.4, giving you 94 square inches
My 15" non-widescreen is 12x9, giving you 108 square inches.

You can increase the pixel real estate of either by getting higher resolution screens, but at the same number of pixels, the widescreen text should be smaller and harder to read...
He was talking about desktop real estate which depends on screen resolution. A 14" WXGA widescreen has a higher DPI then either the 14" or 15" XGA so the widescreen will have more real estate.

But fbrdphreak left out 14" SXGA+ and 15" SXGA+ & UXGA screens which both have higher DPI and more screen estate than a 14" WXGA. The reduced screen estate of the 14" widescreen compared to the 14" SXGA+ normal is the reason why I wouldn't consider buying any of the current 14" widescreen laptops unless it was only going to be a DVD playing machine.
 

fbrdphreak

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Originally posted by: lazybum131
Originally posted by: Conroy9
I don't think this is true.

A 14" widescreen should be about 12x7.2, giving you 86.4 square inches
A 14" non-widescreen should be about 11.2x8.4, giving you 94 square inches
My 15" non-widescreen is 12x9, giving you 108 square inches.

You can increase the pixel real estate of either by getting higher resolution screens, but at the same number of pixels, the widescreen text should be smaller and harder to read...
He was talking about desktop real estate which depends on screen resolution. A 14" WXGA widescreen has a higher DPI then either the 14" or 15" XGA so the widescreen will have more real estate.

But fbrdphreak left out 14" SXGA+ and 15" SXGA+ & UXGA screens which both have higher DPI and more screen estate than a 14" WXGA. The reduced screen estate of the 14" widescreen compared to the 14" SXGA+ normal is the reason why I wouldn't consider buying any of the current 14" widescreen laptops unless it was only going to be a DVD playing machine.
Thanks for clarifying that.

And in regards to 14" SXGA+ or 15" SXGA+: I agree those are the better deal in terms of desktop real estate. My T42 has a 15" SXGA+ and I love it

But we're talking about widescreen here. Generally people looking at 14" widescreens are comparing against 15" XGA models, at least in the low end. Yes, higher end Asus models and such would compare closer to a 14"/15" SXGA+ from another manufacturer; but the majority of other 14" widescreen computers (HP, Gateway, etc) are priced with 15" XGA models; thus my comparison
 

eastvillager

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x-brite and/or similar tech is worth it, especially if you have a bit of control over the lighting wherever you work most.

Widescreen? eh. and this is coming from someone with a widescreen laptop and a widescreen display for desktop. With the laptop, widescreen always = bigger/heavier, at least in my experience. If you're doing a desktop replacement, no big deal, if you want something portable, you might want to think again.

Additionally with the widescreen, certain apps won't support your native resolution, or at least not very well.

Only reason I bought the widescreen laptop I have now is because it was an awesome deal on an a64 processor-based machine.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: TheWart
I was just wondering, I am in the market for a laptop, and while I like the look of the widescreen/xbrite ones (looking at 12-14" laptops), I am wondering whether anyone could give me some first hand expereince as to whether they like the widescreen and/or xbrite features, and why.

Thanks a bunch

Yes, but like all things, it depends on your situation. I personally have a Gateway with a 15.4" Ultrabrite screen. It's absolutely beautiful. I do a lot of graphics work and also watch DVDs on it. Do you watch movies or do widescreen gaming? Or just want to see more screen? I personally love the extra screen space.

The Xbrite is too reflective for my tastes. My friend has a new Sony Viao and that thing is insanely reflective. Even in his own home there's bad glare. I found that Gateway's Ultrabrite screens have the best mix between being shiny and not having too much glare. Go down to Best Buy and look at them - both the Viaos and Gateways are on display there.

Cliffs:
1. Gateway Ultrabrite = good, Sony Xbrite = too reflective
2. Widescreen = good for movies, good for widescreen gaming, good for lots more screen space

Bottom line: check out Gateway's Ultrabrite widescreen laptops (Best Buy and other places)
 

Tostada

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Originally posted by: lazybum131
Originally posted by: Conroy9
I don't think this is true.

A 14" widescreen should be about 12x7.2, giving you 86.4 square inches
A 14" non-widescreen should be about 11.2x8.4, giving you 94 square inches
My 15" non-widescreen is 12x9, giving you 108 square inches.

You can increase the pixel real estate of either by getting higher resolution screens, but at the same number of pixels, the widescreen text should be smaller and harder to read...
He was talking about desktop real estate which depends on screen resolution. A 14" WXGA widescreen has a higher DPI then either the 14" or 15" XGA so the widescreen will have more real estate.

But fbrdphreak left out 14" SXGA+ and 15" SXGA+ & UXGA screens which both have higher DPI and more screen estate than a 14" WXGA. The reduced screen estate of the 14" widescreen compared to the 14" SXGA+ normal is the reason why I wouldn't consider buying any of the current 14" widescreen laptops unless it was only going to be a DVD playing machine.

These are all pretty strange arguments. If you're going to debate how much you can fit on a widescreen vs. non-widescreen, you need to at least attempt to keep your statements relevant.

The bottom line is that it's always a tradeoff. Screen size is always proporional to laptop size. Some of you people seem to think you can get something for nothing. If the laptop's bigger, it's going to have a bigger screen.

14" with 1.00:1 aspect = 9.90" x 9.90" = 98.0 in^2
14" with 1.33:1 aspect = 11.20" x 8.40" = 94.1 in^2 (1024x768 XGA, 91 DPI)
14" with 1.60:1 aspect = 11.87" x 7.42" = 88.1 in^2 (1280x800 WXGA, 108 DPI)
14" with 1.67:1 aspect = 12.00" x 7.20" = 86.5 in^2 (1280x768 WXGA, 107 DPI)

To me it seems pretty obvious in the above situation that I'd rather have the 1280x768 laptop which takes up 7.6 in^2 less space, has a 0.8" wider keyboard and has 20% more pixels. Widescreen displays are inherently higher-resolution than their counterparts, so if you're going to argue about desktop real estate, the only way you can say a standard aspect screen is better is to refer to the non-existance of WSXGA displays and the inability to find WSXGA+ displays under 15.4" (although SXGA+ displays are fairly rare in 14-15" laptops anyway).

Every 14" widescreen I've seen has a WXGA (1280x768 or 1280x800) display, so if you're comparing that to a 14" XGA (1024x768) laptop, the widescreen has smaller pixels and can fit more. It's pretty simple. If you're comparing it to a 14" SXGA+ (1400x1050), obviously the SXGA+ screen can fit more because it's higher DPI, but you're certainly quite limited in your selection of 14" SXGA+ laptops.

It's totally ridiculous to say, "You forgot UXGA screens," when you're taing about 14" widescreens. 15" UXGA screens are extremely rare these days, and when have there ever been 14" UXGA screens? Tell me, is someone actually using a 143 DPI screen without going blind? If you're going to argue that non-widesreens have more pixels on the screen you're just plain wrong. Dell has offered 15.4" and 17" WUXGA screens for some time, and if you're crazy enough to get a 15.4" WUXGA screen, that's higher DPI than anything I've ever heard of.

Really, the only thing keeping widescreen laptops from taking over every segment is the lack of WSXGA. There needs to be a 1536x960 or 1600x1000 or 1600x960 standard out there -- something for high-resolution 14" widescreens.
 

spacejamz

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got my compaq v2311 from best buy last week...14" widescreen with bright view...

this is one sweet machine (after i swapped out one of the 256 MB sticks for a 1 GB one) and getting a 12 cell battery.

it still on sale at best buy for $700 (after $180 rebates)...

brightview rocks...
 
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