Why don't you decline to pay them and tell me?How are taxes "stealing?"
Since when were state taxes theft? Do you think we should live in a completely tax free society or something?
Since when were taxes not theft? Was there a time when paying was optional? I'm certainly not aware of that.
And yes, society should be free of theft or coercive threats and violence of any kind.
In the mean time, we'll be paying protection money.
If we're going to steal from some people, we should steal from everyone?
Brilliant logic. You must work for the mafia.
Since we, as a society, were given the power to either vote for the taxation or vote for the representatives that decide what taxes are levied for $500?
Since we, as a society, were given the power to either vote for the taxation or vote for the representatives that decide what taxes are levied for $500?
If you're another one of those people who believe all taxation is theft you can just can it now.
You almost certainly live in an area of the world where you benefit from the structure of civilized society. Taxes are the price you pay for that. If you want to live without the government boot of taxation there are in fact many places in this world you can live out your life and never see the tax man. You may not like them, but maybe that's because you like the structure of society.
Have the courage of your convictions!
I agree with this, though there is one legitimate factor that could play a role: local business only have to know one set of rules, those for their jurisdiction. Asking a small internet business to keep track of tax rules for 10,000 jurisdictions and remit to all those jurisdictions seems unreasonable.
Sure, the amazon's of the world will have a system that will have the rules in there for all the jurisdictions, but what about the smaller internet shops that don't do high volume? There needs to be some sort of uniform guide to withholding taxes on internet transactions and a clearinghouse where small internet vendors can remit monies and have it distributed to the appropriate party.
One way would be to set up a .tax site where a vendor can simply punch in the zip code of the recipient and the product price(s), code(s) for the product(s) being sold and the site would figure out what the taxes would be. The vendor could then withhold that amount and remit it to the clearinghouse.
The biggest issue is it is another way to make the rich richer and the small guys will be forced out.
Funny, I don't recall being sent a memo about this social contract nor was my signature requested for such a document. There is no "none of the above," option on the ballot, nor is there a "withdraw from socialist programs and stop taxing me to pay for them," option.
Regardless of who I vote for, my money is taken and spent on whatever the federal government wants to spend it on.
That is theft.
Clearly I do have the courage of my convictions. I know it's theft and I pay the mafia to not break my legs (figuratively speaking).
I fail to see why where I live or what the government has seen fit to spend it's stolen wealth on has to do with it. I was born here and I have as much a right to live here as anyone else (citizen or otherwise, I don't discriminate). If you argue that the accident of my birth requires me to be stolen from and to simultaneously support everything that my stolen wealth is being used to fund, I politely ask you to define theft and why this system is dissimilar to theft. Furthermore, I invite you to explain to me why you are not dissatisfied with the warfare state your tax dollars are funding. I disagree with tax money being stolen to build bombs and murder innocents abroad. If taxes were stolen purely for residential purposes I would be much less inclined to argue with the mafia.
It's not so much that you're defending the act of theft that makes you so despicable, but the fact that you are defending what that theft funds (namely: wars on countries that couldn't possible defend themselves from the US military). I assume you know that makes you no better than Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld.
You complain about being stolen from but do nothing to better your situation. You're just a whiner. Theft is seizing property illegally. Taxes are the law. You might not like the law, but society has chosen to structure itself this way. No one is forcing you to stay, but I'd you choose to stay and leech off our services you will pay your share of taxes.
Stand up for yourself and leave. Don't submit to the mafia, be self reliant for once.
I'm just a whiner? Ok guilty. I don't like to be stolen from. I admit it.
Theft is taking property that is not your own. You can spin up the propaganda machine and make a special exception for taxation, but it is still theft. You might not like it, but society is structured around THEFT. Nobody is forcing you to admit it, but I'd say I have every right to complain about it.
I'm sure you would love to see me run off instead of spreading the message of freedom from tyranny, but unfortunately I will continue to help others see theft for what it is. If "society decided," to make it this way, perhaps "society," can change its mind, right?
I have to say I agree 100%. This will be a huge burden on small internet businesses. How are they supposed to keep track of the hundreds of different taxes? It is a huge burden on them. This kind of taxation could kill ebay and small internet merchants. The biggest issue is it is another way to make the rich richer and the small guys will be forced out.
Cepak said:Do your shopping now, Tax-free Internet shopping is about to go away
No, theft is the unlawful taking of property. Taxes are not unlawful. End of story.
But yes, you are a whiner. You sit there freely accepting the benefits of society while shrieking about how unfair society is to you. You have many available options to escape the tyranny of this oppression but choose not to. Why? My guess is that you really like the benefits of society and don't want to give them up. It is easy to complain about such things when you never have to worry about being confronted by the actual consequences of your ideas.
Funny, I don't recall being sent a memo about this social contract nor was my signature requested for such a document. There is no "none of the above," option on the ballot, nor is there a "withdraw from socialist programs and stop taxing me to pay for them," option.
That is because the rest of society is a lot saner than you. Granted I disagree with the level of current Federal spending but to call all taxes unnecessary and "theft" is beyond ludicrous. I like a civilized society along with all the amenities that go with it and so do the VAST majority of my fellow countrymen. We aren't going to go all Somalia just because a handful of people don't understand the implications of the government not being able to raise any (or hardly any) revenue.Regardless of who I vote for, my money is taken and spent on whatever the federal government wants to spend it on.
That is theft.
I'm quite comfortable with the consequences of my ideas, that is, a universal rejection of theft and violence. I think the better question is, are you aware your arguments support the military industrial complex?
And under some circumstances, rape is consensual? Your logic fails. It's theft, but a form of theft that you approve of. I'm sure there are laws you disagree with. So certainly you aren't going to argue that anything which has made it into the cannon of law is infallible?
Freely accept? I'm not given a choice. Again you are misconstruing the situation. You apparently see it as society getting together to decide things on a macro level to the benefit of everyone involved. When has this happened? Never. No politician represents the sum total of all individuals in their district. People are invariably not represented or represented poorly and their direct opinion of the system is of no consequence as they have to pay for it either way (again, this is theft).
I'm quite comfortable with the consequences of my ideas, that is, a universal rejection of theft and violence. I think the better question is, are you aware your arguments support the military industrial complex?
Then I pay a new mafia. Ultimately this changes nothing except who gets to spend the stolen money.Sure there is an option to "withdraw from socialist programs and stop taxing me to pay for them", simply apply for citizenship in the country of your choice without said social programs and taxes. Once accepted renounce US citizenship and move there, you will never have to worry about paying for those socialist programs again.
More sane, good jab! I guess lacking the cognitive dissonance skills to make some forms of theft legitimate qualifies me as handicapped in some regard. Calling something "ludicrous," is not an argument.That is because the rest of society is a lot saner than you. Granted I disagree with the level of current Federal spending but to call all taxes unnecessary and "theft" is beyond ludicrous. I like a civilized society along with all the amenities that go with it and so do the VAST majority of my fellow countrymen. We aren't going to go all Somalia just because a handful of people don't understand the implications of the government not being able to raise any (or hardly any) revenue.
And again, it isn't theft you were just outvoted by the sane members of society. Did you realize that you still have to obey laws that were penned by a politician you voted against? Just because you don't win at the ballot box doesn't mean you get to take a pass on everything the government implements nor should it.
Arguably most of our current laws do violate the constitution, but it depends on who you ask. I believe you're raging here as my responses have been laced with far less ad hominem and are much more logically consistent.While I disagree with many laws I wouldn't characterize them as illegal unless they violated the Constitution. I understand that you need to change the meaning of words to fulfill your adolescent desire to rage against the government, but that's your problem, not mine.
In the same way that a victim of rape freely accepts the sperm of the rapist? You're quite obviously not taking what I have written into account. You do realize that we must pay our protection money (taxes, if you must) in order to continue to live outside of a cage. You consider this transaction some kind of gift for which I should be grateful. I'm simply pointing out the fact that it is no kind of choice. You have not, as yet, made a compelling case that taxation benefits me or society, but I would be quite willing to hear your argument there too.Of course you freely accept it. No one is forcing you to stay here, you freely choose to do so. You could never pay a dime of taxes again starting tomorrow if you were to so choose, but we both know you won't do that because you are either unwilling or unable to live outside of the benefits that taxation and society give you. So which is it? Are you a poseur or are you helpless?
Then I pay a new mafia. Ultimately this changes nothing except who gets to spend the stolen money.
More sane, good jab! I guess lacking the cognitive dissonance skills to make some forms of theft legitimate qualifies me as handicapped in some regard. Calling something "ludicrous," is not an argument.
I believe it's abundantly clear I know that staying within the bounds of law is required and that paying the mafia their due must be done regardless. Still, none of those things makes taxation anything but a very special form of theft. Furthermore, just because we have a government that is generating endless war across the globe and that's how it stands today, does not mean that we are compelled to accept that fact and not advocate against such barbarism.
I am against theft and violence. That is all.
Arguably most of our current laws do violate the constitution, but it depends on who you ask. I believe you're raging here as my responses have been laced with far less ad hominem and are much more logically consistent.
In the same way that a victim of rape freely accepts the sperm of the rapist? You're quite obviously not taking what I have written into account. You do realize that we must pay our protection money (taxes, if you must) in order to continue to live outside of a cage. You consider this transaction some kind of gift for which I should be grateful. I'm simply pointing out the fact that it is no kind of choice. You have not, as yet, made a compelling case that taxation benefits me or society, but I would be quite willing to hear your argument there too.
If you believe that you get no benefits from taxation you are free to move to any one of a number of areas on the globe where taxation does not exist for all intents and purposes. It is absolutely, indisputably a choice. You are just unwilling to accept the consequences of that choice. Poseur or coward?
So, if a Mafia extortion racket wanted to violently extort money out of you, the correct answer is to move away? In other words, because you can leave, the extortion racket is justified?
Hmmm... interesting logic.
So if I knock on your door and tell you that I am about to rob you, and I give you the choice to either stay and die or leave, my robbery becomes justified?
Ha, ha, ha... government nutter logic!
The base fact is we need small local businesses for employment, for towns to survive. Amazon does not and cannot employ the world. It is not fair they are outside the grasps of tax collection while local businesses are forced to collect.
Instead of directing your rage to collecting internet sales tax, direct your rage to collecting all forms of sales tax. I bet you never created a thread all pissed off that you are forced to pay tax at local businesses, have you? Of course not, because it is just accepted, the way it's always been.
No, clearly the right answer is to stand in your doorway and emit a piercing whine while being robbed, then go write an angry post on the internet. That's what true heroes like you guys do.
You can either resist this crime you claim is being perpetrated against you or you can change your circumstances so such a crime will never happen again. Instead, you flail pathetically.
In other words, crime is justifiable as long as the victim either doesn't stop it from happening or chooses not to move away from it? Really? That's your response?
Big Government nutter logic.