You seriously don't think the roads build themselves do you?
There are lots of other taxes the state can levy besides sales tax and they do in those states. In other words, they all get their tax one way or the other.
I'm just a whiner? Ok guilty. I don't like to be stolen from. I admit it.
Theft is taking property that is not your own. You can spin up the propaganda machine and make a special exception for taxation, but it is still theft. You might not like it, but society is structured around THEFT. Nobody is forcing you to admit it, but I'd say I have every right to complain about it.
I'm sure you would love to see me run off instead of spreading the message of freedom from tyranny, but unfortunately I will continue to help others see theft for what it is. If "society decided," to make it this way, perhaps "society," can change its mind, right?
Then I pay a new mafia. Ultimately this changes nothing except who gets to spend the stolen money.
More sane, good jab!
I guess lacking the cognitive dissonance skills to make some forms of theft legitimate qualifies me as handicapped in some regard. Calling something "ludicrous," is not an argument.
I believe it's abundantly clear I know that staying within the bounds of law is required and that paying the mafia their due must be done regardless.
Still, none of those things makes taxation anything but a very special form of theft.
Furthermore, just because we have a government that is generating endless war across the globe and that's how it stands today, does not mean that we are compelled to accept that fact and not advocate against such barbarism.
I am against theft and violence. That is all.
Arguably most of our current laws do violate the constitution, but it depends on who you ask. I believe you're raging here as my responses have been laced with far less ad hominem and are much more logically consistent.
I'm simply pointing out the fact that it is no kind of choice. You have not, as yet, made a compelling case that taxation benefits me or society, but I would be quite willing to hear your argument there too.
Everyone arguing for the tax in different ways. Not many, if any of you are against the tax altogether. Sad when we've become so accustomed to it that we merely squabble over how its to be collected
You realize that under Obama taxes as a percentage of GDP have been lower than they have been since 1950, right?
Furthermore, taxes as a percentage of GDP have stayed pretty steady between about 17% and 20% for decades and decades now. The idea that they are on a never ending steady upward climb is simply unsupported by the data.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=205
Sigh, ok if you would like to have an intelligent discussion then at least lets get some definitions out of the way.
Definition of THEFT
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a : the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it
b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property
There are some very key words in the above definition such as unlawful and felonious. Taxes are not unlawful nor are the felonious. The mob demanding money is, not a very good comparison.
Lacking the cognitive dissonance skills to form some sort of rational thought as to the ramifications of what you propose is a handicap in my opinion. Calling something that is legal theft is not an argument either.
Do you suppose their is much theft and violence in Somalia, a place much more akin to what you claim to desire?
Taxation has allowed the government to build the framework of the society that you enjoy today. The very same society that allows you to earn income in order for it to be taxed. You did none of this work yet you greatly profit off it. Just the interstate system alone is instrumental to your earnings and without it you wouldn't be bitching about theft you would be bitching about hunger.
You want proof that taxation benefits you and society? The interstate system, internet, space travel, pure sciences that has led to huge technological advances, etc..... Done deal, next question?
While I am not jumping with joy at the thought of paying it, the taxes are legally due to the states.
Many of those state that don't have sales taxes manage to rape you in other ways...like higher property taxes and higher fees for every-fucking-thing.
A good example is Oregon. Lots of folks brag that Oregon doesn't have sales taxes...but they get you other ways:
http://taxfoundation.org/state-tax-climate/oregon
Of course it is. What happens when you deny the mob their money? What happens when you deny "government" money? Both threaten bodily harm or take what is rightfully yours.
Uhh so who gives a group of people authority to takes whats rightfully mine? Can a group of my friends come over and take what they want from you? No? Didn't think so. It takes a lack of reason to think that a group of armed thugs has more rights that you or I do on our own. That's just silly and shows you aren't thinking it through. I never consented to give any of my labor to anyone. Yet they will take it whether I want to give it or not. How you can't see this as blatant robbery is far outside any rational thinking man.
You do realize this isn't Somalia right? What makes your twisted mind think such lunacy?
Bullshit. You statists are all the same. Claim that if some "authority" wasn't there chaos would ensue. People are inherently bad and need papa govsmurf to keep us all in line. Yet those very same, inherently bad people, are the ones running the damned show! Logical fallacy indeed.
All this and more happens without government. Government is not some magical fairy dust spreader that bequeaths marvels and wonders.
I get that its hard to think out of the box when you've been educated in the system. To break free from those invisible chains is not easy or pleasant. I do not expect you to change your mind. I expect you to think.
"Legally"? By whom? Whos order? Where did I agree?
While I am not jumping with joy at the thought of paying it, the taxes are legally due to the states.
"Legally"? By whom? Whos order? Where did I agree?
Senate ahs approved it:
http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/06/pf/taxes/internet-sales-tax-vote/index.html
questionable in the House. Hope it fails!
if not, there's the courts. i can see the law being put on hold for years.
and i dont understand why this tax issue was brought up in the 1st place. The supreme Court has already ruled against cross state taxes in the case of mail order companies.
WTF?
Why should my state be entitled to collect sales tax on sales that are in a different state? Why should the state that receives the payment be entitled to a tax where they have not provided anything to me?
http://www.opb.org/news/article/us-senate-passes-marketplace-fairness-act/Both of Oregon's Senators voted against the bill. Speaking on the Senate floor, Ron Wyden argued that the Marketplace Fairness Act -- or MFA -- would undermine the sovereignty of states.
"Proponents of the bill say that the measure is about promoting state's rights. But the reality is that it is a coercive affront to state sovereignty. If any state doesn't wish to subject their business to out-of-state government tax collectors,the MFA tells them in effect get lost."
Wyden said he believes the legislation has the potential to crush new businesses under the weight of additional regulation, costly legal fees, and the potential for out-of-state audits.
Target and Bust Buy think this will help their sales.
HA...HA...HA HA HA
Donut hold u breath geek squad.....
http://www.opb.org/news/article/us-senate-passes-marketplace-fairness-act/
It seems like an opt in framework would be better. States that have decided they don't want to deal with a sales tax at all can stay out of it. States that like the sales tax can collect it for each other.
Why should my state be entitled to collect sales tax on sales that are in a different state? Why should the state that receives the payment be entitled to a tax where they have not provided anything to me?
The burden of knowing tax law for all 50 states that you could possibly be shipping to really is rather ridiculous, this state, local, and county. Imagine some older women trying to bring up a business in cookie cutters. Are they going to know tax law?
Target and Bust Buy think this will help their sales.
HA...HA...HA HA HA
Donut hold u breath geek squad.....
First that argument held water 2+ decades ago. Today not so much. Today its easily done by computer software. Said software has to provided by every participating state FOR FREE.
Plus business with less than $1million in sales would be exempt.