Doctors vs guns.

[Playmaker]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Playmaker

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Playmaker
Sadly, there are gun nuts that probably take this joke seriously.

As a side note, it's a pity that the public has lost so much respect for docs with the advent of Dr. Google. Considering the experiences of college friends that have gone on to various careers and grad schools in the years since we've graduated, med school makes even top law schools, engineering PhDs, and investment banking look like vacations.

Huh? Ask anyone with an MD and a PhD which was harder. PhD every time. Medical school is chump change compared to getting a PhD in engineering, at least according to my MD father and MD/PhD boss.

Investment banking is definitely way harder according to my classmate with a lot of investment banking friends. http://www.iddxblog.com/2008/0...ciates-med-school.html

Residency gets shitty but med school isn't that bad

I was actually on that track until my first internship and still keep in touch with classmates that went that route (4am emails anyone?). More time-consuming, perhaps, but not harder. The finance is relatively simple, and grinding in excel, proofreading and changing commas, and waiting at the printer until 3am for pitch books isn't difficult. As you move up (i.e. can't find a buy-side position), you manage teams and sell, sell, sell, but it's never all that complex.

Yeah I guess the hours are whats tough more than anything. Also just getting your foot in the door at the bulge brackets. Med school is easy in the sense that if you're not that strong academically, you can save some babies and get in through that route. Once you're in, it's just rote memorization until you graduate. I dunno, a lot of med students dont have much going on upstairs. The MSTPs though, those kids are smart

Maybe I'm a bit cynical on how difficult med school is. I've been thinking about doing a post-bacc and then med school for awhile now, so I probably take the most negative view possible to talk myself out of it.

Getting into a bulge bracket is tough, but if you know that's what you want from the start of undergrad and you're not afraid to cold-call alumni, it's definitely doable. My freshman year roommate barely got into our reasonably competitive undergrad b-school (i.e. not Wharton/UVA/etc. caliber) and got his position by making almost weekly phone calls. It does take a special kind of determination to make it in IB, I'll give them that.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
That's accidental deaths. How much of those were on purpose? I bet the gun ratio would be much higher. A gun is made to kill people/animals so someone who owns a gun has the intention of killing a human or an animal. A doctor's intention is to help people but accidents / unpreventable misshaps happen.

Oh boy.

What else would you buy a gun for, shooting pop cans? lol

I did mention animals as people who hunt will buy a gun to shoot animals and not people, but I doubt if someone is buying an AK47 or a RPG that they plan to go shoot a partridge or a moose. Ok, maybe, but wow, not much meat left after.

I bought my pistol because it is fun to go to the target range and shoot it. Not to kill anyone.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: savoyboy
we should outlaw physicians

No we should outlaw INSURANCE thats when everything went wrong. Became a convient way for the medical industry to overcharge out the wazuu and spread the cost out over millions so we didn't feel it all at once:frown: and creating a money sucking paperwork jungle between med industy and insurance companies that has compounded the problem to the mess we have today.

Oh wait Obama already has this on the agenda:thumbsup:

 

[Minjin]

I think when looking at statistics you have to consider certain things. Is the raw data accurate? Is the ratio or comparison accurate? Is the ratio or comparison relevant? It's sad when people dismiss statistics outright. I see people do the same thing with scientific studies all the time.

"Oh, they said that last year, and now they're saying this...you can't listen to any of them."

Long story short, don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Apply some critical thinking to sources of information instead of outright disregarding everything.

 

[interchange]

The numbers for doctors (well, healthcare anyay) are accurate.

My thoughts on MD vs Ph.D., having been to approximately the same amount of grad school and med school now -- they are too different to really be comparable. There is nothing that is conceptually difficult to me in medical school. Some things take a few times going through them to get, but it really is a bit more about breadth and knowing some really important details. Engineering graduate school was quite different. The material is much more complex, and you are expected to forage into a new topic and produce new information. The thing about grad school is that you go at whatever pace you decide. Med students must be sponges. Also, you're really developing a trade and life skills to go along with knowledge. Your 3rd and 4th years are hands-on training, not book learning. I suppose you could equate this to research in grad school, as they aren't responsible for a huge # of classes.

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Don't know if it's true or not, but given that people go to the doctor when they are SICK or INJURED, I'd say this is an unfair comparison. Besides, there's no definition given here. What's an accidental death caused by a doctor? What defines that?

Misdiagnosis or an accidental act that causes a death? Like giving the wrong medicine or cutting out the wrong body part.

I have seen this information and it is amusing to say the least. Even if you add in gun deaths from crime you have a much higher chance of being killed by your doctor than a gun.

Lovely definition, but unfortunately that definition doesn't appear anywhere in the above stats, does it?

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Greenman
Lifted this off another forum. Is it accurate?

Doctors vs. Gun owners

Doctors
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.

(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of
Health and Human Services.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Now think about this:

Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S.
is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million)

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.

(C) The number of accidental deaths
per gun owner is .000188.

Statistics courtesy of FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So, statistically, doctors are approximately
9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

wait so your stats says that 17% of doctors accidently kill someone? somehow i'm not believing these stats.

 

[OverVolt]

Originally posted by: astroidea

Originally posted by: Greenman
Lifted this off another forum. Is it accurate?

Doctors vs. Gun owners

Doctors
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.

(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of
Health and Human Services.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Now think about this:

Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S.
is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million)

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.

(C) The number of accidental deaths
per gun owner is .000188.

Statistics courtesy of FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So, statistically, doctors are approximately
9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

wait so your stats says that 17% of doctors accidently kill someone? somehow i'm not believing these stats.

Off the top of your head, malpractice insurance is cheap or expensive?

 

[Krynj]

This thread sucks.

Let's apply percentages to as many arbitrary studies as we can think of.

You go to a doctor when you need a triple bypass.
You grab your gun when somebody breaks into your home.

How about guns vs cataclysmic meteorites?

Dedicate your time to something else.

*facepalm*

 

[LtPage1]

/facepalm.