Doctors vs guns.

[Greenman]

Lifted this off another forum. Is it accurate?

Doctors vs. Gun owners

Doctors
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.

(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of
Health and Human Services.
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Now think about this:

Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S.
is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million)

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.

(C) The number of accidental deaths
per gun owner is .000188.

Statistics courtesy of FBI
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So, statistically, doctors are approximately
9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
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[Jschmuck2]

I think that's a little disingenuous, no?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Ban Doctors!

 

[johnjohn320]

Don't know if it's true or not, but given that people go to the doctor when they are SICK or INJURED, I'd say this is an unfair comparison. Besides, there's no definition given here. What's an accidental death caused by a doctor? What defines that?

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Don't know if it's true or not, but given that people go to the doctor when they are SICK or INJURED, I'd say this is an unfair comparison. Besides, there's no definition given here. What's an accidental death caused by a doctor? What defines that?

one that could have been avoided... aka accidental

 

[ShOcKwAvE827]

stupid stats.
whats doctors vs guns in lives saved? another stupid stat.

 

[Playmaker]

Sadly, there are gun nuts that probably take this joke seriously.

As a side note, it's a pity that the public has lost so much respect for docs with the advent of Dr. Google. Considering the experiences of college friends that have gone on to various careers and grad schools in the years since we've graduated, med school makes even top law schools, engineering PhDs, and investment banking look like vacations.

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Don't know if it's true or not, but given that people go to the doctor when they are SICK or INJURED, I'd say this is an unfair comparison. Besides, there's no definition given here. What's an accidental death caused by a doctor? What defines that?

one that could have been avoided... aka accidental

Exactly. A death that could have been avoided. Does that mean they caused it? Or does it mean that a different course of action than the one they took may have been able to save the life? Did they fail to see some detail in time that, caught sooner, could have been taken care of and prevented death? Did they screw something up that directly caused the death? Or just fail to prevent it? Or what? There's no information here..which makes this reak of bullshit.

 

[Mo0o]

Ugh i hate getting into these arguments but if you're going to post such retarded things...

Why dont you add in (# of intentional deaths by doctors vs. gunowners) as well as (# of lives saved by doctors vs. gunowners)

Either way, banning guns is as retarded as banning scalpels. It's the American culture that leads to all these gun deaths, not the fact that we have a lot of guns

 

[lxskllr]

I'm pro gun, and anti statistics. Statistics will say whatever you want them to. They're the ultimate tool of the con artist.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Playmaker
Sadly, there are gun nuts that probably take this joke seriously.

As a side note, it's a pity that the public has lost so much respect for docs with the advent of Dr. Google. Considering the experiences of college friends that have gone on to various careers and grad schools in the years since we've graduated, med school makes even top law schools, engineering PhDs, and investment banking look like vacations.

Huh? Ask anyone with an MD and a PhD which was harder. PhD every time. Medical school is chump change compared to getting a PhD in engineering, at least according to my MD father and MD/PhD boss.

 

[LTC8K6]

I too am a "gun nut" with an "arsenal", but I think Mark Twain said it best.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Playmaker
Sadly, there are gun nuts that probably take this joke seriously.

As a side note, it's a pity that the public has lost so much respect for docs with the advent of Dr. Google. Considering the experiences of college friends that have gone on to various careers and grad schools in the years since we've graduated, med school makes even top law schools, engineering PhDs, and investment banking look like vacations.

Huh? Ask anyone with an MD and a PhD which was harder. PhD every time. Medical school is chump change compared to getting a PhD in engineering, at least according to my MD father and MD/PhD boss.

Investment banking is definitely way harder according to my classmate with a lot of investment banking friends. http://www.iddxblog.com/2008/0...ciates-med-school.html

Residency gets shitty but med school isn't that bad

 

[Colt45]

hmm... do you think most of the gun owners shoot 40 hours+ a week?

With people that are sick?

 

[Playmaker]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Playmaker
Sadly, there are gun nuts that probably take this joke seriously.

As a side note, it's a pity that the public has lost so much respect for docs with the advent of Dr. Google. Considering the experiences of college friends that have gone on to various careers and grad schools in the years since we've graduated, med school makes even top law schools, engineering PhDs, and investment banking look like vacations.

Huh? Ask anyone with an MD and a PhD which was harder. PhD every time. Medical school is chump change compared to getting a PhD in engineering, at least according to my MD father and MD/PhD boss.

I guess someone from an MSTP can make that judgment the best, but that's not what I've gathered from engineering PhD friends (don't know any hard science PhDs).

 

[Playmaker]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Playmaker
Sadly, there are gun nuts that probably take this joke seriously.

As a side note, it's a pity that the public has lost so much respect for docs with the advent of Dr. Google. Considering the experiences of college friends that have gone on to various careers and grad schools in the years since we've graduated, med school makes even top law schools, engineering PhDs, and investment banking look like vacations.

Huh? Ask anyone with an MD and a PhD which was harder. PhD every time. Medical school is chump change compared to getting a PhD in engineering, at least according to my MD father and MD/PhD boss.

Investment banking is definitely way harder according to my classmate with a lot of investment banking friends. http://www.iddxblog.com/2008/0...ciates-med-school.html

Residency gets shitty but med school isn't that bad

I was actually on that track until my first internship and still keep in touch with classmates that went that route (4am emails anyone?). More time-consuming, perhaps, but not harder. The finance is relatively simple, and grinding in excel, proofreading and changing commas, and waiting at the printer until 3am for pitch books isn't difficult. As you move up (i.e. can't find a buy-side position), you manage teams and sell, sell, sell, but it's never all that complex.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Mark Twain said it best.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

This

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: Playmaker
Sadly, there are gun nuts that probably take this joke seriously.

As a side note, it's a pity that the public has lost so much respect for docs with the advent of Dr. Google.

Doctors have my respect. Now bankers, well, they're the new lawyers.

Doctors and lawyers. :thumbsup:
Bankers :thumbsdown:

 

[daniel1113]

These numbers/stats are about as truthful as the "you're 20x more likely to kill yourself or someone you know if you keep a gun in your home" nonsense.

 

[ja1484]

Being alive has a 100% death rate. Everyone should stop being alive immediately for their own safety.


Edit: And what is this "could have been avoided" bullshit? It's not like medical treatment is guaranteed to fix anything.

"Oh this death could have been avoided if they'd done an MRI."

Yeah, OR they could've done the MRI, found the pathology, and noticed a goddamn tumor eating half the person's internal organs. Maybe their death could've been avoided if they'd been put on a new drug, OR the new drug could cause an allergic reaction putting them in anaphylaxis and taking them out even faster.

This is the kind of thread you get when people who don't know shit about medicine start talking about medicine. No wonder health care in this country is so difficult.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Playmaker
Sadly, there are gun nuts that probably take this joke seriously.

As a side note, it's a pity that the public has lost so much respect for docs with the advent of Dr. Google. Considering the experiences of college friends that have gone on to various careers and grad schools in the years since we've graduated, med school makes even top law schools, engineering PhDs, and investment banking look like vacations.

Huh? Ask anyone with an MD and a PhD which was harder. PhD every time. Medical school is chump change compared to getting a PhD in engineering, at least according to my MD father and MD/PhD boss.

Not to divert the thread, but I don't think Med school is really the hard part about being a doctor. It's the 3-4 years of residency working 80+ hours a week after you get out school that sucks.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Don't know if it's true or not, but given that people go to the doctor when they are SICK or INJURED, I'd say this is an unfair comparison. Besides, there's no definition given here. What's an accidental death caused by a doctor? What defines that?

Misdiagnosis or an accidental act that causes a death? Like giving the wrong medicine or cutting out the wrong body part.

I have seen this information and it is amusing to say the least. Even if you add in gun deaths from crime you have a much higher chance of being killed by your doctor than a gun.

 

[sdifox]

Simple solution then. For the people who believe this stuff, they should not go to the doctor when they are sick or injured. Instead, they should load up their gun and shoot themselves since that is a statistically safer bet.


A more valid comparison would be number of patients seen by doctors vs number of "accidental deaths"

 

[skace]

That stat is fucking useless because you don't compare # of accidental deaths to # owned. You compare it to the ratio of times the act was completed. IE: # of accidental deaths vs total # of patients. And even then, Doctors are a necessary risk because removing them doesn't improve any situation at all. If you are hurt enough to go to the doctor and get surgery/etc then that means you probably wouldn't have made it without them in the first place.

In other words, the way this stat is setup, every gun that is purchased and then never used is padding the stats. So if 70 million of those 80 million guns are just sitting somewhere collecting dust then it makes it look real good, even if the ones that are actually being used have horrible stats.

And no, this doesn't make me go hmmm, it makes me want to bang my head into a wall. (Just for clarity, I'm not pro or anti gun)

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Playmaker

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Playmaker
Sadly, there are gun nuts that probably take this joke seriously.

As a side note, it's a pity that the public has lost so much respect for docs with the advent of Dr. Google. Considering the experiences of college friends that have gone on to various careers and grad schools in the years since we've graduated, med school makes even top law schools, engineering PhDs, and investment banking look like vacations.

Huh? Ask anyone with an MD and a PhD which was harder. PhD every time. Medical school is chump change compared to getting a PhD in engineering, at least according to my MD father and MD/PhD boss.

Investment banking is definitely way harder according to my classmate with a lot of investment banking friends. http://www.iddxblog.com/2008/0...ciates-med-school.html

Residency gets shitty but med school isn't that bad

I was actually on that track until my first internship and still keep in touch with classmates that went that route (4am emails anyone?). More time-consuming, perhaps, but not harder. The finance is relatively simple, and grinding in excel, proofreading and changing commas, and waiting at the printer until 3am for pitch books isn't difficult. As you move up (i.e. can't find a buy-side position), you manage teams and sell, sell, sell, but it's never all that complex.

Yeah I guess the hours are whats tough more than anything. Also just getting your foot in the door at the bulge brackets. Med school is easy in the sense that if you're not that strong academically, you can save some babies and get in through that route. Once you're in, it's just rote memorization until you graduate. I dunno, a lot of med students dont have much going on upstairs. The MSTPs though, those kids are smart