Dodge Viper ACR sets lap records on 13 tracks

[jlee]

God forbid someone disagrees with your opinion. Banning them from the forum is definitely the solution. Since when does everyone who has an interest in cars all have to like the same ones? The ACR is a sh!t car that is unusable as daily transportation, but is also really fast around a race track. Great, it's not for me nor is any car that is similar.

Let me apologize to you darkswordsman17 on behalf of myself and everyone else who doesn't agree with you about the ACR. Obviously we aren't in the same league as you when it comes to being auto enthusiasts.

It might not be what you look for in a car, but something that sets production records at 13 tracks is not "sh!t". You, my friend, are wrong, opinion or not.

In my experience, auto enthusiasts can appreciate something for what it is, whether or not that's a good fit for what they want themselves.

 

[gcrain]

The 918 is close to $1,000,000 if you could buy one, but you can't because they were all sold. The new 911 GT3 RS is $200,000 MSRP but they actually sell for $300,000 in the US and $400,000 in Europe.

Of course I'd rather have 918, I could sell it and buy an ACR and an $800,000 house. If you are actually looking for a performance car in the ACR's price range then it is an incredible car. If your budget is along the lines of a 3 year old Corolla vs 5 year old Camry then you probably don't understand what makes the ACR special.

For me the ACR is not a dream car, it is an actual production car that I can buy. It literally has no competition below $300,000 unless the $200,000 GTR Nismo appeals to you. I can tell you nobody actually cross shops Vipers and GTR's though, they are polar opposites. The 911 GT3 is in the ACR's price range but the Viper has double the torque and exponentially more downforce. There is also an issue that you can no longer get a manual with the GT3 or GT3 RS. For some people that's a problem, some prefer the PDK.

Why is a street legal race car a good thing? Because you can drive it to the track without having to buy an expensive truck and a trailer, and build an extra garage to store them.

 

[Pariah]

It might not be what you look for in a car, but something that sets production records at 13 tracks is not "sh!t". You, my friend, are wrong, opinion or not.

In my experience, auto enthusiasts can appreciate something for what it is, whether or not that's a good fit for what they want themselves.

How conceited do you have to be call someone else's opinion wrong because it differs from yours? If I said the ACR didn't hold the production car record at VIR, I'd be wrong. If I said the interior picture of the ACR earlier in this thread was mostly yellow, I would be wrong. There is no definition of what a good car or a sh!t car is, so there is no way I can be wrong even if I don't agree with your highness "correct" opinion.

 

[XavierMace]

How conceited do you have to be call someone else's opinion wrong because it differs from yours? If I said the ACR didn't hold the production car record at VIR, I'd be wrong. If I said the interior picture of the ACR earlier in this thread was mostly yellow, I would be wrong. There is no definition of what a good car or a sh!t car is, so there is no way I can be wrong even if I don't agree with your highness "correct" opinion.

Then maybe you should explain what defines a "sh!t" car in your book.

 

[gcrain]

I would be wrong. There is no definition of what a good car or a sh!t car is, so there is no way I can be wrong even if I don't agree with your highness "correct" opinion.

Words do have definitions, there are people that spend lots of time defining those definitions. If words did not have definitions then nobody would be able to speak with each other.

You don't care for a car or the car does not appeal to you would be an opinion. A Bentley GT3-R does not appeal to me because it is too heavy, but it is definitely a great car.

 

[jlee]

How conceited do you have to be call someone else's opinion wrong because it differs from yours? If I said the ACR didn't hold the production car record at VIR, I'd be wrong. If I said the interior picture of the ACR earlier in this thread was mostly yellow, I would be wrong. There is no definition of what a good car or a sh!t car is, so there is no way I can be wrong even if I don't agree with your highness "correct" opinion.

shit
SHit/Submit
vulgar slang
noun
noun: shit; plural noun: shits
something worthless; garbage; nonsense.

good
ɡo͝od/
adjective
having the qualities required for a particular role.

"A particular role" in this case is to drive fast on a race track. After 13 lap records, any reasonable person would agree that the ACR does, in fact, have the qualities required for that particular role.

 

[Howard]

"A particular role" in this case is to drive fast on a race track. After 13 lap records, any reasonable person would agree that the ACR does, in fact, have the qualities required for that particular role.

Could we say that the ACR is figuratively a shit car that is literally unusable for daily transportation?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Could we say that the ACR is figuratively a shit car that is literally unusable for daily transportation?

it might be a shit car for DD, but it is not "literally" unsuable

 

[gcrain]

Could we say that the ACR is figuratively a shit car that is literally unusable for daily transportation?

I would say the ACR is figuratively a paradigm shifter and literally the best performance car you can get under $400,000. In addition most of the cars in it's class have a much higher cost to own even discounting the purchase price. Is it a car everybody should buy? I hope not.

Am I dissing other performance cars? Absolutely not, there are an almost unbelievable amount of spectacular cars being made right now. It is truly a Renaissance for the sports car, performance car and GT car. It also won't forever. Hybrid cars, electric cars and the dreaded autonomous car are the future.

 

[Midwayman]

All the cars setting records are a far cry from being a useful street car. I don't get what the big deal is. Its production, its street legal. Done.

 

[Pariah]

"A particular role" in this case is to drive fast on a race track. After 13 lap records, any reasonable person would agree that the ACR does, in fact, have the qualities required for that particular role.

If Dodge wants to advertise the fact it is a production vehicle, then just being outstanding on the track (which I am not arguing) isn't enough. It also needs to fulfill the role of usable transportation on public roads.

it might be a shit car for DD, but it is not "literally" unsuable

It doesn't have a prayer in hell of getting in the driveway of my old house. I would be shocked if it has the ground clearance to make it over the speed bumps at my local mall. If you have to plan your route ahead just to make sure the car can get there, there are problems. For some very mundane tasks, this car is "literally" unusable, which makes it a garbage car by my definition. You're free to disagree, but there is no argument you can make that will change my mind about that, so don't waste your time.

 

[Fenixgoon]

If Dodge wants to advertise the fact it is a production vehicle, then just being outstanding on the track (which I am not arguing) isn't enough. It also needs to fulfill the role of usable transportation on public roads.



It doesn't have a prayer in hell of getting in the driveway of my old house. I would be shocked if it has the ground clearance to make it over the speed bumps at my local mall. If you have to plan your route ahead just to make sure the car can get there, there are problems. For some very mundane tasks, this car is "literally" unusable, which makes it a garbage car by my definition. You're free to disagree, but there is no argument you can make that will change my mind about that, so don't waste your time.

You totally missed the jest in my joke. It is not *literally* unusable in the sense that it is street legal and can be driven daily. Literally, it can be driven on a daily basis.

Now practically speaking, it's probably the least practical street legal car one could buy. But that is not *literally* unusable that is practically unusable

 

[jlee]

If Dodge wants to advertise the fact it is a production vehicle, then just being outstanding on the track (which I am not arguing) isn't enough. It also needs to fulfill the role of usable transportation on public roads.



It doesn't have a prayer in hell of getting in the driveway of my old house. I would be shocked if it has the ground clearance to make it over the speed bumps at my local mall. If you have to plan your route ahead just to make sure the car can get there, there are problems. For some very mundane tasks, this car is "literally" unusable, which makes it a garbage car by my definition. You're free to disagree, but there is no argument you can make that will change my mind about that, so don't waste your time.

If Dodge wants to advertise the fact that it is a production vehicle, it needs to meet EPA and DOT guidelines to be legally driveable on public roads. Which...it does.

 

[gcrain]

It doesn't have a prayer in hell of getting in the driveway of my old house. I would be shocked if it has the ground clearance to make it over the speed bumps at my local mall.

You can raise the ride height 3 inches plus everything that you would be in danger of scraping is easily removable.

I don't get the need some people feel to criticize this car when they don't know anything about it. I guess if you consider driving a chore to be done as little and as cheaply as possible then yes the ACR is a terrible car. If it is something you enjoy then the ACR is a very special car.

 

[darkswordsman17]

God forbid someone disagrees with your opinion. Banning them from the forum is definitely the solution. Since when does everyone who has an interest in cars all have to like the same ones? The ACR is a sh!t car that is unusable as daily transportation, but is also really fast around a race track. Great, it's not for me nor is any car that is similar.

Let me apologize to you darkswordsman17 on behalf of myself and everyone else who doesn't agree with you about the ACR. Obviously we aren't in the same league as you when it comes to being auto enthusiasts.

WTF are you talking about? I never said anything about banning people? In fact, I just got done commending the mods for not banning the outright trolling that has cropped up in here.

Holy hell, is your basic reading comprehension skills that damn bad?

How conceited do you have to be call someone else's opinion wrong because it differs from yours? If I said the ACR didn't hold the production car record at VIR, I'd be wrong. If I said the interior picture of the ACR earlier in this thread was mostly yellow, I would be wrong. There is no definition of what a good car or a sh!t car is, so there is no way I can be wrong even if I don't agree with your highness "correct" opinion.

Nowhere did I even call their opinion wrong. In fact, I said it was so outright obvious to anyone that it was stupid to even be discussing it. Literally any one that is interested in this car would be aware of it not being even a passable daily driver. There's no reason to even be discussing that. In fact, I believe the thread was actually explicitly about it setting records on race tracks. You wouldn't know if we let people like you and Jules "hey a Prius would require fabrication to fit an LS1" Maximus, and the other person who's arguments are just as obviously pointless (and he actually was outright wrong by trying to claim that there's anything in common between the 919 endurance racer and the 918 Spyder).

But hey, don't let that stop you from making arguments when you can't even manage to use basic reading comprehension...

If this was say a Prius mpg thread, I'd hope you'd think it would be stupid if people suddenly started talking about how terrible of a track car it would make and thus it makes the Prius total shit? Nah, even better, let's discuss how terrible the Model S would be at endurance racing! Because that'd make sense. That is seriously how stupid discussing the ACR as a daily driver is. Next up you'll say how the tires being so expensive takes it out of being affordable by someone living in poverty! What a piece of shit car it is! Hell if I can't daily drive it in Antarctica then it must be total junk! Can't be used as a rover for astronauts? Well damn, total f'ing garbage!

You can raise the ride height 3 inches plus everything that you would be in danger of scraping is easily removable.

I don't get the need some people feel to criticize this car when they don't know anything about it. I guess if you consider driving a chore to be done as little and as cheaply as possible then yes the ACR is a terrible car. If it is something you enjoy then the ACR is a very special car.

What's even more face-palm worthy is how a lot of these same people have fawned over cars/vehicles that are similarly terrible daily drivers and would have almost all the same issues as the Viper, while being slower on track, meaning they compromised themselves every bit as much for worse results. But somehow this is a piece of shit, but those aren't.

 

[RLGL]

Originally Posted by Pariah
God forbid someone disagrees with your opinion. Banning them from the forum is definitely the solution. Since when does everyone who has an interest in cars all have to like the same ones? The ACR is a sh!t car that is unusable as daily transportation, but is also really fast around a race track. Great, it's not for me nor is any car that is similar.

Let me apologize to you darkswordsman17 on behalf of myself and everyone else who doesn't agree with you about the ACR. Obviously we aren't in the same league as you when it comes to being auto enthusiasts.
It might not be what you look for in a car, but something that sets production records at 13 tracks is not "sh!t". You, my friend, are wrong, opinion or not.

Stir the pot some more!!

 

[deathBOB]

Oh man, car with crazy aero setup is fast! Faster than some other car around a track! I just came!

 

[TridenT]

Saw one of these on the road today. Thing had a silly ass paint job too. It was black and purple! You could easily spot it because it had a giant ass wing, super low, and those fins on the sides of the front bumper.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Saw one of these on the road today. Thing had a silly ass paint job too. It was black and purple! You could easily spot it because it had a giant ass wing, super low, and those fins on the sides of the front bumper.

something tells me the type of person to own this car really doesn't care what other people think of their silly ass paint job

 

[RLGL]

Kind of an old dead thread