Does AMD make a Desktop/laptop APU with integrated GPU comparable to the PS4 or XBone

[Morawka]

I am amazed at how much power my Xbox One's GPU has despite being a integrated solution.

Are there any current AMD Desktop and Laptop APU's that offer similar GPU performance? Or even better performance? Present and future please.

 

[monstercameron]

none that we know of for the foreseeable future. The closest we will get is kaveri which has [super rough estimate] ~50% xbone gpu performance.

 

[inf64]

No there is no such product and there probably won't be in near future. You are talking about a product with >1200SPs which would take up rather large die area on current(28nm) process node.

Closest thing to this would be 2015 Carizzo APU that will have Excavator x86 cores and >512SP iGPU. iGPU could potentially have 768SPs but the problem would be the same as with current Richland and soon to be launched Kaveri- memory BW would be main limiter of performance. There are ways to get around this problem, hopefully AMD is working on it.

 

[seitur]

Not until DDR4 push DDR3 on legacy sidelanes and become new mainstream.

 

[Morawka]

Thanks for your answers.

I did not realize that these consoles were this powerful. yeah the xbox one chip does put out a lot of heat no bigger than it is.

what is the fastest amd desktop cpu with integrated graphics currently on the market?

 

[monstercameron]

Thanks for your answers.

I did not realize that these consoles were this powerful. yeah the xbox one chip does put out a lot of heat no bigger than it is.

what is the fastest amd desktop cpu with integrated graphics currently on the market?

a10-6800k

 

[JDG1980]

I am amazed at how much power my Xbox One's GPU has despite being a integrated solution.

Are there any current AMD Desktop and Laptop APU's that offer similar GPU performance? Or even better performance? Present and future please.

Not yet. The upcoming Kaveri APU (scheduled for release near the beginning of 2014) will have 512 stream processors. This will make it the most powerful PC integrated graphics solution yet, but it is still only two-thirds of the Xbone's stream processor count (768).

Both the Xbone and the Kaveri APU will be using DDR3 SDRAM, which hinders graphics performance compared to the GDDR5 used on most discrete graphics cards outside the extreme low-end. The Xbone has 32 MB of high-speed internal ESRAM that is supposed to help offset this penalty; the Kaveri does not. There are rumors that the Kaveri supports GDDR5, but this is unconfirmed, and even if it turns out to be true, it would require special motherboards (since GDDR5 must be soldered in, and is not available on DIMMs).

Roadmaps are not set in stone. It's possible, perhaps likely, that if the Kaveri APU is a success, then we will see more powerful versions with more stream processors and better memory interfaces in the future. But at first, Kaveri is going to be somewhat below a HD 7750 in performance, since it has the same processing power, but lacks high-speed GDDR5 RAM.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I am amazed at how much power my Xbox One's GPU has despite being a integrated solution.

Are there any current AMD Desktop and Laptop APU's that offer similar GPU performance? Or even better performance? Present and future please.

You have to remember the Xbox One APU got a size of 363mm2 on 28nm. And its CPU is about equal to a fast dualcore. But it will perform much worse in the wast majority of apps and games.

To compare, a quadcore Richland APU is 246mm2 on 32nm.

 

[avtek21]

I am amazed at how much power my Xbox One's GPU has despite being a integrated solution.

Are there any current AMD Desktop and Laptop APU's that offer similar GPU performance? Or even better performance? Present and future please.

Other review sites displayed a previously unknown speed boost feature for the AMD Jaguar. It claims up to 2.75 ghz turbo cores capable! But other people think is is a future feature of Jaguar+, Beema and Mullins tablet/netbook APUs.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Other review sites displayed a previously unknown speed boost feature for the AMD Jaguar. It claims up to 2.75 ghz turbo cores capable! But other people think is is a future feature of Jaguar+, Beema and Mullins tablet/netbook APUs.

There is no 2.75Ghz boost. The 2.75Ghz number comes from the EMI testing. And the source of that frequency is the GDDR5. Classic example of people running without the ball.

 

[Morawka]

You have to remember the Xbox One APU got a size of 363mm2 on 28nm. And its CPU is about equal to a fast dualcore. But it will perform much worse in the wast majority of apps and games.

To compare, a quadcore Richland APU is 246mm2 on 32nm.

True but the SRAM on the Xbox One's die takes up 30% of that space.

 

[ShintaiDK]

True but the SRAM on the Xbox One's die takes up 30% of that space.

Thats still not saving the lackbuster CPU performance.

 

[inf64]

It's getting the job done and that's what matters in the end. And it's getting it done much better than uber slow powerpc stuff in previous gen. that was a nightmare to code for.

 

[SammichPG]

Thanks for your answers.

I did not realize that these consoles were this powerful. yeah the xbox one chip does put out a lot of heat no bigger than it is.

what is the fastest amd desktop cpu with integrated graphics currently on the market?

They are not powerful in absolute terms.

They have the fastest IGP on the market though.

 

[Zodiark1593]

They are not powerful in absolute terms.

They have the fastest IGP on the market though.

Not that it really matters much. A PC gamer isn't going to take so much as a glance at IGPs. For the console however, a custom IGP makes sense as the hardware is entirely static. In a PC since the hardware is often changed for more demanding games, an gaming-oriented IGP makes little sense.

 

[monstercameron]

True but the SRAM on the Xbox One's die takes up 30% of that space.

i have been corrected on this, it is edram...not sram

 

[ShintaiDK]

i have been corrected on this, it is edram...not sram

eSRAM

 

[tential]

Thanks for your answers.

I did not realize that these consoles were this powerful. yeah the xbox one chip does put out a lot of heat no bigger than it is.

what is the fastest amd desktop cpu with integrated graphics currently on the market?

I wouldn't say they are powerful. They're just the best integrated solution on the market. You can get comparable HARDWARE performance of the xbox one quite easily in the $500 range for a PC.

XboxOne and PS4 are not just pieces of hardware. They're an ecosystem that is safe and friendly and easy to use. A PC is you do whatever you want with it. So it's not really fair to directly compare console to PC when you really get two different experiences used for different things.

 

[NTMBK]

i have been corrected on this, it is edram...not sram

It's eSRAM You're thinking of Haswell's eDRAM.

 

[monstercameron]

It's eSRAM You're thinking of Haswell's eDRAM.

oh wow you and shintaidk are both right I durped...

 

[SammichPG]

Not that it really matters much. A PC gamer isn't going to take so much as a glance at IGPs. For the console however, a custom IGP makes sense as the hardware is entirely static. In a PC since the hardware is often changed for more demanding games, an gaming-oriented IGP makes little sense.

It makes sense on mobile and could have its uses if heterogeneous computing becomes something real because the igp has lower latency than external GPU.

It's getting there, igp performance is progressing faster than screen resolution and image quality, I'm looking forward to a market where you can run everything at 1080p on the latest intel celeron (or arm soc) igp.

 

[Zodiark1593]

It makes sense on mobile and could have its uses if heterogeneous computing becomes something real because the igp has lower latency than external GPU.

It's getting there, igp performance is progressing faster than screen resolution and image quality, I'm looking forward to a market where you can run everything at 1080p on the latest intel celeron (or arm soc) igp.

I'll probably not even look at an IGP based system myself until they are capable of real time ray tracing at 8k resolution and 120+ fps. And even then, the dGPU of that time will still have superior compute power.

IGP performance may be progressing, but dGPUs are also progressing, making it unlikely for an igp to reach parity of the mid-high end dGPU of its time.

 

[Pheesh]

It would be neat if AMD put a similar powerhouse APU they use for consoles in steamboxes. I'm guessing they don't have any spare volume there though

 

[ShintaiDK]

It would be neat if AMD put a similar powerhouse APU they use for consoles in steamboxes. I'm guessing they don't have any spare volume there though

It would be a terrible gaming device. Since a steam machine is a regular PC with the game created or ported in OpenGL+Linux and not optimized for a single setup. And the consoles already ooze of limitations.

 

[Gikaseixas]

I'm guessing they don't have any spare volume there though

They're selling pretty fast, another client would greatly push AMD to it's limits i guess.

OP the graphics side of the PS4/Xbox One is a decent unit, more powerful than any desktop solution so far.