Does anybody have more than this?

[glenn beck]

This 10 second clip, curious the whole context of his message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: glenn beck
This 10 second clip, curious the whole context of his message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

There should be hell to pay for that comment.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: glenn beck
This 10 second clip, curious the whole context of his message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

Ummmm.... that is a comment on the administration, the President in particular, not the troops.

The administration, the President in particular, has us stuck in Iraq without a plan or clue.

Jeez... it took me all of 1 second reading the quote on CNN to figure that out!

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: glenn beck
This 10 second clip, curious the whole context of his message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

There should be hell to pay for that comment.

Typical chickenhawk outrage. I don't think most veterans or service members would be offended by this at all, though it would be helpful to know more about the context of that remark.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: glenn beck
This 10 second clip, curious the whole context of his message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

Ummmm.... that is a comment on the administration, the President in particular, not the troops.

The administration, the President in particular, has us stuck in Iraq without a plan or clue.

Jeez... it took me all of 1 second reading the quote on CNN to figure that out!

I agree... I would go further to say that it doesn't matter. His presidential campaign just ended. Regardless of the context, that clip comes off as bad as the "I voted for the $86 billion before I voted against it" line. Those two will be played endlessly, back to back, over and over and he'll come looking even more like an elitist boob than he already does.

 

[ProfJohn]

From Drudge

FLASH: McCain Calls On Kerry To Apologize
Tue Oct 31 2006 11:43:14 ET

Senator Kerry owes an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their education. Americans from all backgrounds, well off and less fortunate, with high school diplomas and graduate degrees, take seriously their duty to our country, and risk their lives today to defend the rest of us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.

They all deserve our respect and deepest gratitude for their service. The suggestion that only the least educated Americans would agree to serve in the military and fight in Iraq, is an insult to every soldier serving in combat, and should deeply offend any American with an ounce of appreciation for what they suffer and risk so that the rest of us can sleep more comfortably at night. Without them, we wouldn't live in a country where people securely possess all their God-given rights, including the right to express insensitive, ill-considered and uninformed remarks.

END

Looks like this Kerry quote is going to be the news topic of today.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: glenn beck
This 10 second clip, curious the whole context of his message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

Ummmm.... that is a comment on the administration, the President in particular, not the troops.

The administration, the President in particular, has us stuck in Iraq without a plan or clue.

Jeez... it took me all of 1 second reading the quote on CNN to figure that out!

Obviously that's what he meant, since GWB didn't go to college or anything...

 

[palehorse]

anyone have a link to the quote on CNN or a transcript? (I cant listen to youtube at work...)

 

[Trevelyan]

Yeah I'm no Democrat, but I'm pretty sure he was not directing the "unintelligent" comment to the troops so much as the administration.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Typical chickenhawk outrage. I don't think most veterans or service members would be offended by this at all, though it would be helpful to know more about the context of that remark.

He just insulted everyone in the military by implying they have no education.
Rough transcript
"Education if you make the most of it, if you study hard, you do your homework, you make an effort to get smart you can do well, if you don't you get stuck in Iraq"
So everyone in Iraq did not study hard, do their homework and is not smart?
As a former member of the military I am surprised you find this comment ok.

 

[FuzzyBee]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/10/31/tuesday/index.html

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: glenn beck
This 10 second clip, curious the whole context of his message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

Ummmm.... that is a comment on the administration, the President in particular, not the troops.

The administration, the President in particular, has us stuck in Iraq without a plan or clue.

Jeez... it took me all of 1 second reading the quote on CNN to figure that out!

Obviously that's what he meant, since GWB didn't go to college or anything...

Going to college and graduating doesn't mean the person learned anything!

 

[ProfJohn]

Speaking in at Pasadena City College in California on Monday,
Kerry said,
"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

 

[steppinthrax]

I don't see anything wrong with what he said. It is partially true. You think most of the soldiers walking around in Iraq have PhDs etc. The United States government doesn?t want educated soldiers. Did you watch Fahrenheit 9/11. Most of the army recruiters sick around areas that have low socioeconomic status and areas sponsoring events where you would find those type of people. As a matter of fact the best time to get fresh "army material" is in High School. Because that is the time where most kids won't know what they want to do and they are easily coaxed into their advertisement gimmicks. You think you will find army recruiters around High Schools. You won't find them in ivy league universities/upper-class areas. Or areas where the events are sponsored towards very accomplished individuals (doctors, scientist etc...). When I was working on my B.S. and M.S. in Computer Science I never did once ever see a recruiter at my University. I once worked in a Community College. I was approached by a recruiter. He was beginning to talk to me. When he saw my badge said Faculty member he cut the conversation.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: DonVito
Typical chickenhawk outrage. I don't think most veterans or service members would be offended by this at all, though it would be helpful to know more about the context of that remark.

He just insulted everyone in the military by implying they have no education.
Rough transcript
"Education if you make the most of it, if you study hard, you do your homework, you make an effort to get smart you can do well, if you don't you get stuck in Iraq"
So everyone in Iraq did not study hard, do their homework and is not smart?
As a former member of the military I am surprised you find this comment ok.

John Kerry, like him or not, willfully exposed himself to far far greater peril than you or me in the Navy. You are willfully contorting his remark to mean something he presumably didn't intend (he of all people is a clear demonstration of the concept that not only those with no other options end up in the service, and so am I for that matter - I joined after I already had a JD), and you're feigning outrage you clearly don't feel (unless you are more irrational than I think).

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Banned Member with a new ISP
Speaking in at Pasadena City College in California on Monday,
Kerry said,
"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

If taken in the context in which you present it it's a poor choice of words on his part. That said, so what, WTF dsoes it have to do with the big picture?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Speaking in at Pasadena City College in California on Monday,
Kerry said,
"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Why are you repeating yourself? I guess fake outrage can only fly when you act really really upset, eh?

 

[Aisengard]

What he said is true. It's more of a statement of how the administration doesn't really care about its citizens, which is also very true.

Just like the 'I voted for the bill before I voted against it', which makes perfect sense if you're not a gurgling brain-dead Limbaugh follower, it'll screw him if he ever wants to run for President. But there is not much reprehensible about his ultimately true statement. What is infinitely more reprehensible is Rush Limbaugh making fun of MJF Parkinson's disease, but does anyone hear ProfJohn crying outrage about that? Anyone?

 

[jpeyton]

He's saying what has been a well known fact for generations.

Wars are won on he backs of the lower class for the benefit of the upper classes.

A politician speaks the truth, for once, and he gets crucified for it.

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
What he said is true. It's more of a statement of how the administration doesn't really care about its citizens, which is also very true.

Just like the 'I voted for the bill before I voted against it', which makes perfect sense if you're not a gurgling brain-dead Limbaugh follower, it'll screw him if he ever wants to run for President. But there is not much reprehensible about his ultimately true statement. What is infinitely more reprehensible is Rush Limbaugh making fun of MJF Parkinson's disease, but does anyone hear ProfJohn crying outrage about that? Anyone?

Exactly

 

[Kwaipie]

Having spent 10 yrs in the Navy as well as 28 months as a recruiter, I can safely say with experience that the vast majority of people in the enlisted ranks are stupid M'Fers. Almost none of them have a 4 yr college degree and all of them had no direction to go after high school. The military is the safe and easy way to find yourself and become an adult.

That said, there is nothing that could coerce me into becoming a politician. Having every word you say scrutinized for any hidden meanings by the media would be exhausting.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I don't see anything wrong with what he said. It is partially true. You think most of the soldiers walking around in Iraq have PhDs etc. The United States government doesn?t want educated soldiers.

That is blatantly false. Most soldiers get 100+% of their college courses paid for, through whatever level of education they desire. FACT: There are more Bachelors and Masters degrees among the enlisted members of my current military unit (Intel unit) than there are in my workplace (consulting company with roughly the same number of people). I work with many enlisted soldiers who hold multiple degrees, including yours truly (me). Believe it or not, when I was in the infantry, this fact was still true for the Guardsman! All of our leaders (officers and enlisted alike) had degrees, and alot of the "Joes" I served with were in their 4th year or higher. Go figure!

Did you watch Fahrenheit 9/11. Most of the army recruiters sick around areas that have low socioeconomic status and areas sponsoring events where you would find those type of people. As a matter of fact the best time to get fresh "army material" is in High School. Because that is the time where most kids won't know what they want to do and they are easily coaxed into their advertisement gimmicks. You think you will find army recruiters around High Schools.

Nevermind, I see now where you get your "facts" from. I should have known! you do know that the entire "film" you mentioned is grade-A bullsh*t, right? It's 100% fanatical leftist propoganda that Mrs. Michael Moore sold the public as fact. I suggest you go check out FahrenHype 9/11 to see the right's rebuttal. You got played son!

You won't find them in ivy league universities/upper-class areas. Or areas where the events are sponsored towards very accomplished individuals (doctors, scientist etc...).

That's because most of the people attending either of those are:
1) too busy pursuing another lucrative goal. In other words, they already have a lucrative career, are usually older, etc.
2) too interested in $ and could really care less about soldiering, or
3) too cowardly to enlist.

When I was working on my B.S. and M.S. in Computer Science I never did once ever see a recruiter at my University.

The major unniversities that I attended always had recruiters around. Where did you go to school?

I once worked in a Community College. I was approached by a recruiter. He was beginning to talk to me. When he saw my badge said Faculty member he cut the conversation.

You mean he didnt try to convince you to quit your already established career to start another one from scratch? SHOCKER!

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Originally posted by: Kwaipie
Having spent 10 yrs in the Navy as well as 28 months as a recruiter, I can safely say with experience that the vast majority of people in the enlisted ranks are stupid M'Fers. Almost none of them have a 4 yr college degree and all of them had no direction to go after high school. The military is the safe and easy way to find yourself and become an adult.

may I ask what years you served?
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As for Kerry's statement, now that I've read it, it is offensive. I'm also confident that the majority of my military colleagues would feel the same. Then again, it's John Kerry, so who gives a sh*t?! we already know that he's a douchebag...

 

[JeepinEd]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I don't see anything wrong with what he said. It is partially true. You think most of the soldiers walking around in Iraq have PhDs etc. The United States government doesn?t want educated soldiers. Did you watch Fahrenheit 9/11. Most of the army recruiters sick around areas that have low socioeconomic status and areas sponsoring events where you would find those type of people. As a matter of fact the best time to get fresh "army material" is in High School. Because that is the time where most kids won't know what they want to do and they are easily coaxed into their advertisement gimmicks. You think you will find army recruiters around High Schools. You won't find them in ivy league universities/upper-class areas. Or areas where the events are sponsored towards very accomplished individuals (doctors, scientist etc...). When I was working on my B.S. and M.S. in Computer Science I never did once ever see a recruiter at my University. I once worked in a Community College. I was approached by a recruiter. He was beginning to talk to me. When he saw my badge said Faculty member he cut the conversation.

Farenheight 9/11 is hardly a fair and balanced documentary. I had Army and Airforce recruiters come to my high school and quite a few people signed up. I know a couple of these guys who signed up and they had a GPA of 4.0 and were well off. People join the military for a variety of reasons, not just because they have nowhere to go. Some even do it in order to get an education.
Kerry insulted all the members of the armed services, many of whom are way smarter than him.
By the way, I went to Beverly Hills High School. So much for recruiters only targeting low income schools.

 

[steppinthrax]

 

[EagleKeeper]

his remarks will become so distorted that the Repub will be able to say.

"This is the type of Democrat that wanted to lead this country."

October suprise handed to the Repubs by the Dems. Who figured?