Hey, you're entitled to your opinion as everyone else here is too. But let me state for the record that if the full transcript of the speech is release and the context is brought into the picture and it is shown that Kerry did say that what you are claiming to say, then I'll be the first to call for Kerry's apology to the troops. Are you willing to do the same? That is, call for and apology from all those who took Kerry words out of context namely McCain, Bush, and Snow.Originally posted by: palehorse74
Like I said, I'd really like to see the entire speech, or at least those sections immediately before and after the now infamous quote. I'll reserve my final judgement until I see those... but for now, I believe that his excuses are pure unadulterated bullsh*t.
Originally posted by: her209
Hey, you're entitled to your opinion as everyone else here is too. But let me state for the record that if the full transcript of the speech is release and the context is brought into the picture and it is shown that Kerry did say that what you are claiming to say, then I'll be the first to call for Kerry's apology to the troops. Are you willing to do the same? That is, call for and apology from all those who took Kerry words out of context namely McCain, Bush, and Snow.Originally posted by: palehorse74
Like I said, I'd really like to see the entire speech, or at least those sections immediately before and after the now infamous quote. I'll reserve my final judgement until I see those... but for now, I believe that his excuses are pure unadulterated bullsh*t.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: her209
Hey, you're entitled to your opinion as everyone else here is too. But let me state for the record that if the full transcript of the speech is release and the context is brought into the picture and it is shown that Kerry did say that what you are claiming to say, then I'll be the first to call for Kerry's apology to the troops. Are you willing to do the same? That is, call for and apology from all those who took Kerry words out of context namely McCain, Bush, and Snow.Originally posted by: palehorse74
Like I said, I'd really like to see the entire speech, or at least those sections immediately before and after the now infamous quote. I'll reserve my final judgement until I see those... but for now, I believe that his excuses are pure unadulterated bullsh*t.
yes, I pledge to do the same. Very loudly in fact! But I dont want no stinkin' "transcript," I want the raw uncut video of that exact speech.
He either needs to produce said video or take his political arse-beating like a man.
My prediction is that he'll do neither.
It going to go to the highest bidder.Originally posted by: DonVito
I don't know that he owns the tape - it's the property of whomever taped it. It clearly exists, since excerpts have been widely aired. It may be that whomever owns it strongly favors one side or the other, and is declining to put it in wide release because it doesn't favor their perspective. I dunno.
Originally posted by: senseamp
I am really disappointed with McCain's involvement in this hackjob. I can't believe I actually supported the guy. He's a backstabber like the rest of them.
Originally posted by: senseamp
I am really disappointed with McCain's involvement in this hackjob. I can't believe I actually supported the guy. He's a backstabber like the rest of them.
Based on their performance I highly doubt they have a soul.Originally posted by: senseamp
It may have effect in Senate, but the House is too far gone for GOP to keep majority, and that's enough for me.
http://www.pollster.com/house.php
GOP is going to have to do a lot of soul searching in the coming years.
That describes my brother perfectly. We were living in a small town in Maine when he signed up. There were no local colleges he could attend and no long term promising jobs. Now after 20+ years he is about to retire and graduate with a Masters Degree in Nuclear Engineering (or something similar) This time next year he'll be operating a Nuclear power plant. Not exactly the type of job open to dummies who have no education or don't do their homework.Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Similarly, many of the soldiers I served with were quite intelligent and capable individuals, particularly across the NCO ranks...many of these individuals lacked the MEANS to attend college, but certainly had the potential and intelligence to do so...you do realize that for many, military service is a way to escape their social situations and gain access to the educational opportunities otherwise denied to them.
Originally posted by: senseamp
It may have effect in Senate, but the House is too far gone for GOP to keep majority, and that's enough for me.
http://www.pollster.com/house.php
GOP is going to have to do a lot of soul searching in the coming years.
Look examples of liberal members doing exactly what JD50 says they do.Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: CellarDoor
This has got to be the first thread in which I've ever called someone a troll directly. This is nothing against you personally and I am well aware that there are many posters from all areas of the political spectrum that act in this way as well. I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this, or exactly what you expect of me. I don't read every thread and I don't read every post in every thread. I generally only post in threads in which I have some knowledge of the topic.
That being said, "others do it too" is a pretty childish way to go about things don't you think?
I wasn't saying "others do it too", I was saying the liberals on this board do it and don't get called on it, yet the conservatives get hounded for everything they say. My original post was pointing out the hypocracy that many of the liberal members of this board exhibhit, which was then proven by senseamp calling me a troll. If I chimed in with a "you liberals are nuts" then yes I would be a troll. Since I was making a point, I would not consider my self a troll.
You will see many of the liberals on this board call conservatives a troll in one post, then in the very next post they will be high fiving each other when they start insulting other conservative posts, with absolutely nothing added to the conversation.
Hey that is exactly what Rush said, were you listening to him today?Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Ahhh the GOP's secret weapon (Kerry) has reared his big mouth yet again. Like I said Dems, keep your mouths zipped until November 8th. Sheesh, is it that difficult?
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Hey that is exactly what Rush said, were you listening to him today?Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Ahhh the GOP's secret weapon (Kerry) has reared his big mouth yet again. Like I said Dems, keep your mouths zipped until November 8th. Sheesh, is it that difficult?
Yes, Kerry is so bright that he got lower grades at Yale then that inarticulate boob President Bush. This has been proven via school records, can not deny it, the facts are out there.Originally posted by: DonVito
In fact I assume the double standard springs from the fact that even diehard Republicans understand that President Bush is an inarticulate boob, whereas Kerry is a bright but wooden professional politician who is expected to be able to speak like an adult.
In this situation I don't know that a double standard is even needed - the Republicans are willfully taking Kerry's remarks out of context.
Yes Kerry voluntarily enlisted in the Navy after his request for a deferment to spend a year in France studying was denied. Not sure what he wanted to study thought since he had already graduated from Yale by that point.Originally posted by: senseamp
Here is what the GOP wants you to believe: That John Kerry, who voluntarily enlisted in the military after graduating from Yale, is saying that members of the military, and not George W. Bush, are uneducated and got us stuck in Iraq.
On the other hand, George W. Bush is saying that attacks on his intelligence are attacks on the troops.
Yes John Kerry is so pro military, just look at his past statements about the militaryOriginally posted by: DonVito
Ridiculous. Just ridiculous. You're just rehashing the standard Swift Boat party line. You weren't in Vietnam, I'm quite sure, and he never said our soldiers were terrorists or that they "like to torture." His protests after returning from Vietnam were done to protect his comrades-in-arms, not to attack them.
I assume - please correct me if I'm wrong - that Kerry has literally infinitely more combat experience than you, and, as I pointed out above, his voting record is very pro-veteran. I certainly don't think he was the world's greatest Presidential candidate, but I don't think he's a bad guy, and he's certainly not anti-military.
JOHN KERRY'S TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE, APRIL 22, 1971 -- "They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
John Kerry on CBS Face the Nation, December 4, 2005 -- "There is no reason... that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children..."
John Kerry in a speech to students at Pasadena City College in California, October 30, 2006 -- "You know, education -- if you make the most of it, you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
And John Kerry again when asked to apologize to the troops buy the Bush Administration for the above "joke", October 31, 2006 -- "I will apologize to no one."
Kerry is just an ass with as history of bad mouthing the military.
Which explains the dozen or so posts so far that include some kind of Bush mispeak, guess we need to work on this "forgive him" part huh?Originally posted by: OrByte
clearly, by reading what Kerry MEANT to say, it wasn't a bash towards the military and/or the troops at all.
Bush has brain farts all the time on camera...people make fun, and then forgive him for it.
isn't it possible Kerry can have brain farts too?