Does anyone doubt the SEC now?

[Tim]

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: theplaidfad
Tim Tebow has proven to mean more and do more for his team and himself than McCoy on the collegiate level. Isn't that what this is about? This is a college football thread, isn't it???

on the college level, this year, they both led their teams to 13-1 records, and as qb colt had higher passer rating than tebow (173 > 172) ... so whats up

Whats up? Florida is national champions, and Texas isn't.

Get it?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: theplaidfad
Tim Tebow has proven to mean more and do more for his team and himself than McCoy on the collegiate level. Isn't that what this is about? This is a college football thread, isn't it???

on the college level, this year, they both led their teams to 13-1 records, and as qb colt had higher passer rating than tebow (173 > 172) ... so whats up

Whats up? Florida is national champions, and Texas isn't.

Get it?

You know, I was going to respond with something regarding the rushing aspect of Tebow's game but you just did a much better job closing out the argument so forget it.

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: brunell8
I never mentioned passing TD's. My point about the rating is that with a difference of less than 17 (as per the numbers I quoted), then Tebow's rating would have been much closer to the of McCoy's because his INT's would have went up. Yes, I realize his TD's would have went up also, but the QB rating formula you lose more from an interception than you gain from a TD.

You don't understand how QB rating works.

 

[brunell8]

Then please break it down for me, guru of the quarterback rating.

 

[Tim]

Originally posted by: brunell8
Then please break it down for me, guru of the quarterback rating.

Dude, you keep arguing what could have been with the numbers instead of what IS with the numbers. I'm sure him explaining the QB rating system wouldn't help with your grasp of the "could have, would have, should have" versus "what really is".

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: brunell8
Then please break it down for me, guru of the quarterback rating.

If you insist, I will.

The formula is (C + Y + T + I).

The letters represent:

C - completion percentage component: completions / attempts * 100
Y - yards per attempt component: yards / attempts * 8.4
T - TDs per attempt component: touchdowns / attempts * 330
I - INTs per attempt component: interceptions / attemps * -200

Simple. Your statement is wrong. First, it's wrong because you can see a greater emphasis is placed on touchdowns than interceptions (330 vs 200). Second, it's wrong because the calculations are based on a per attempt basis. He may throw interceptions, but unless he throws a greater percentage of interceptions, it will not lower his rating, and may in fact raise it.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Originally posted by: brunell8
Then please break it down for me, guru of the quarterback rating.

Dude, you keep arguing what could have been with the numbers instead of what IS with the numbers. I'm sure him explaining the QB rating system wouldn't help with your grasp of the "could have, would have, should have" versus "what really is".

Agreed. Besides, even if we break down the QB rating it is still only considering the passing aspect of the game. This is not the NFL it is college football and a lot of QBs manage the game with both their arms AND their legs. McCoy may be (and probably is) the better passing QB, at least from an NFL scout's perspective. However, we are talking about who is the better COLLEGE quarterback and that's an easy one. Tebow hands down. I would guarantee that any college coach drafting a college football team out of the current player base would pick Tebow #1. No question. He may very well be the best college player I've ever seen.

 

[brunell8]

OK, let's talk about what IS:

Tebows career winning pct. as a full-time starter - .815 (22-5)

McCoy's career winning pct. as a full-time starter - .820 (32-7)

McCoy's wins more. Tebow has had a better supporting cast which is why he has a title (I'll give you that). But, bottom line is wins, correct? And McCoy wins more.


And to the others above - I said that Tebow was the better college athlete, just not the better college quarterback.

 

[skim milk]

TEBOW IS COLLEGE FOOTBALL!!

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Originally posted by: brunell8
Then please break it down for me, guru of the quarterback rating.

Dude, you keep arguing what could have been with the numbers instead of what IS with the numbers. I'm sure him explaining the QB rating system wouldn't help with your grasp of the "could have, would have, should have" versus "what really is".

Agreed. Besides, even if we break down the QB rating it is still only considering the passing aspect of the game. This is not the NFL it is college football and a lot of QBs manage the game with both their arms AND their legs. McCoy may be (and probably is) the better passing QB, at least from an NFL scout's perspective. However, we are talking about who is the better COLLEGE quarterback and that's an easy one. Tebow hands down. I would guarantee that any college coach drafting a college football team out of the current player base would pick Tebow #1. No question. He may very well be the best college player I've ever seen.

I mostly agree, but not entirely. Tebow flourishes under Florida's spread offense. If he was in a tradtional system his value would be greatly diminished. I'm not saying that he's a product of the environment, but Meyer pretty much handed him the keys to the offense. Other coaches might not be as supportive.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: brunell8
OK, let's talk about what IS:

Tebows career winning pct. as a full-time starter - .815 (22-5)

McCoy's career winning pct. as a full-time starter - .820 (32-7)

McCoy's wins more. Tebow has had a better supporting cast which is why he has a title (I'll give you that). But, bottom line is wins, correct? And McCoy wins more.


And to the others above - I said that Tebow was the better college athlete, just not the better college quarterback.

He wins more meaningless games apparently. I'll show you one win/loss stat you can't argue with. Ready?

Tebow's career winning pct. as a full-time starter in national championship games - 1.000 (1-0)

McCoy's career winning pct. as a full-time start in national championship games - 0.000 (0-0)

But then of course there is also that OTHER national championship where Tebow shared snaps with another QB that he also won.

 

[Drakkon]

Originally posted by: GeneValgene
PAC 10 - the weakness of the conference really hurts USC, who very well could have been the best team in the nation

I don't get this. The conference goes out of their way to make good out of conference games - USC vs Ohio State and Notre Dam, ASU vs Georgia, Oregon vs Boise St and Perdue, UCLA vs Tennessee and BYU - that's just to start - i mean really by calling Pac10 conference weak is calling the SEC weak because the few teams the SEC plays in the PAC10 are "weak". Then you have Florida playing Miami and Hawaii as their out of conference games - i mean really you call those a difficult schedule? The SEC is good but i think the grueling nature of the pac10 deserves more credit than what its given.

 

[Tim]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: brunell8
OK, let's talk about what IS:

Tebows career winning pct. as a full-time starter - .815 (22-5)

McCoy's career winning pct. as a full-time starter - .820 (32-7)

McCoy's wins more. Tebow has had a better supporting cast which is why he has a title (I'll give you that). But, bottom line is wins, correct? And McCoy wins more.


And to the others above - I said that Tebow was the better college athlete, just not the better college quarterback.

He wins more meaningless games apparently. I'll show you one win/loss stat you can't argue with. Ready?

Tebow's career winning pct. as a full-time starter in national championship games - 1.000 (1-0)

McCoy's career winning pct. as a full-time start in national championship games - 0.000 (0-0)

But then of course there is also that OTHER national championship where Tebow shared snaps with another QB that he also won.

I wouldn't say they're meaningless games, just not as rewarding in the end...
And for christ sakes, a half a percent point difference in overall wins? Give me a fucking break. This should be a completely moot point.

Me to the guy in the cubicle next to me: "Dude, I sell half a percent more stuff than you in a year."
The guy in the cubicle: "Wow, you're really stupid."

 

[brunell8]

Uuh, did you not see where I said I'll give you that (about the title)? Please read all of it. I will give credit where it's due - to Tebow and THE REST OF THE TEAM for winning the title.


theplaidfad - if that half a percentage point was the difference between being the national champ or not, would you feel the same way. I doubt it. You were the one that brought up talking about what IS.

 

[Tim]

Originally posted by: brunell8
Uuh, did you not see where I said I'll give you that (about the title)? Please read all of it. I will give credit where it's due - to Tebow and THE REST OF THE TEAM for winning the title.

That's great, you giving credit to them winning a national title, but we were talking about Tebow vs McCoy, and the facts all point to the numbers (mostly) being in Tebow's favor.

Don't try and turn it into something else, focus and stay on point.

theplaidfad - if that half a percentage point was the difference between being the national champ or not, would you feel the same way. I doubt it. You were the one that brought up talking about what IS.

and this part of what you said, what are you trying to say? It makes absolutely no sense.

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: brunell8
Uuh, did you not see where I said I'll give you that (about the title)? Please read all of it. I will give credit where it's due - to Tebow and THE REST OF THE TEAM for winning the title.


theplaidfad - if that half a percentage point was the difference between being the national champ or not, would you feel the same way. I doubt it. You were the one that brought up talking about what IS.

McCoy vs ranked opponents this season: 4-1 (80%)
Tebow vs ranked opponents this season: 6-0 (100%)

 

[LS21]

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Whats up? Florida is national champions, and Texas isn't.

Get it?

yeah, and it really counts, because they got there by losing to an inferior opinion. and in the rushing department , tim tebow got out-tim-tebow'ed by colt mccoy

 

[Tim]

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Whats up? Florida is national champions, and Texas isn't.

Get it?

yeah, and it really counts, because they got there by losing to an inferior opinion. and in the rushing department , tim tebow got out-tim-tebow'ed by colt mccoy

Quit trying to make up shit, you'll just look dumber each and every time.

McCoy rushed for 576 yards this season (10 rushing TD's)
Tebow rushed for 673 yards this season (12 rushing TD's)

McCoy rushed for 1238 yards 2006-2008 (16 rushing TD's total)
Tebow rushed for 2037 yards 2006-2008 (43 rushing TD's total)

 

[preslove]

I hate to put the fear in all you haters, but Tebow, Harvin, and Brandon Spikes might all come back...

According to a source close to the situation, Florida junior linebacker Brandon Spikes' potential return to the Gators could be based on what Tim Tebow chooses to do.
"Brandon will be strongly influenced by Tim's decision," the source said.

Spikes signed with UF out of high school in great part because he wanted to play with Tebow.

Defensive coordinator Charlie Strong said after UF's 24-14 victory against Oklahoma in the BCS title game he expects Spikes back.

Junior receiver Percy Harvin said he and his family will talk in the next few days about his future, and the same source added Harvin is the most likely of the trio to leave early for the NFL.

And safety Ahmad Black said after the game "We can try (to convince him to return), but Percy ... I don't know. I think that's a lost cause."

However, all three players have talked with each other about how Al Horford, Joakim Noah and Corey Brewer all spurned the NBA in 2006 to come back for a repeat title and that intrigues the three football players.

If that happens we might just repeat :evil:

 

[Tim]

Originally posted by: preslove
I hate to put the fear in all you haters, but Tebow, Harvin, and Brandon Spikes might all come back...

If that happens we might just repeat :evil:

As an LSU fan, I think I might just puke right now.

 

[abracadabra1]

You conference-spouting fools are complete morons. You're disloyal and unfaithful to your teams. How can you call yourself a fan of said team and then praise the strength of your conference and your most bitter rivals? I imagine you think it gives your team some sort of credence despite their poor effort (i.e. Vols). I guess you have little choice than to bandwagon on some team in your conference when you're nationally irrelevant come September.

Be a real fan. Stick with your team and hate your rivals. That lies at the heart of college football. This idea of conference superiority is a complete crock of shit meant to distract you from the truth - your team sucks and you need something to make you feel better.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: preslove
I hate to put the fear in all you haters, but Tebow, Harvin, and Brandon Spikes might all come back...

If that happens we might just repeat :evil:

I can see Tebow coming back because he's not high on the draft board for various reasons real and imagined. I'd be surprised if Harvin and Spikes come back. It'll be hard for them to get higher than they are now. They could potentially be costing themselves millions of dollars.

 

[BurnItDwn]

I doubt the SEC. I mean, that 50 Bil Ponzi scam, they shoulda had that shut down before it ever hit the big B.

 

[LS21]

Originally posted by: JujuFish


McCoy vs ranked opponents this season: 4-1 (80%)
Tebow vs ranked opponents this season: 6-0 (100%)

so... it is better or worse that Tebow has losses in his record if you count UNRANKED opponents

 

[Oil]

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: JujuFish


McCoy vs ranked opponents this season: 4-1 (80%)
Tebow vs ranked opponents this season: 6-0 (100%)

so... it is better or worse that Tebow has losses in his record if you count UNRANKED opponents

BTW, Ole Miss beat TT which beat UT