Does anyone see competition to the R9 290x or 780ti soon?

[sebastian869]

Basically started seeing stuff for the "880" and ATI though it dosent seem to look as ready and was wondering if there is any credence to these posts? (If it does come out unless you go with water block from the start you'll have to wait for after mkt version of the GPU just as with the r9 290x or 780ti but it still should cut costs off current hardware). The time frame makes some sense in that a Christmas release is best and "IF" they release then what would that do to the 290x/780ti prices. Do you think I should ignore it and make the purchase as its all not for sure yet(Except for the x99 roswell-E), or should I wait, really appreciate your view?

http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...ured-specs-of-geforce-gtx-880gm104-published/
http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/inde...are=geforce-gtx-660-ti-sli-vs-geforce-gtx-880

p.s. was going to go with the z97 chipset and now the x99 coming out do you think that should chance anything (I plan to buy one GPU now and another after some time after prices drop and would love to have the ability to run at least 2 or 3 cards all at x16 where with the 1150 its not possible. I have read that it docent makes a big performance difference to go x16/x8 but will haswell-e (you can run x16/x16) be way better than the haswell and offer a better product to wait for, I put in lots of homework and now im lost?
Does it make sense and wait till the new Haswell-E x99 mother boards and new i7 5960x(not i7-4790k) will be available and will they be a lot better than old haswell or z97 and the new GPUS a lot better than the r9 290x or 780ti?
THANKS

 

[RussianSensation]

1) How long are you going to keep your CPU platform before upgrading? 2-3 years or 4-5 years?

2) Do you do anything other than games that requires more than 4 cores?

3) Will you be overclocking the CPU at all or you'd want fast out of the box performance with little tinkering?

4) What resolution monitor do you have and what games do you play?

5) How limited is your budget? For example, 5820K on X99 + DDR4 will probably cost $200+ more than Z97 and 4790K but you could instead put that $200 towards 2x GTX780s or R9 290s instead of buying a $600 GTX780Ti. For gaming, it'll be far better than a 5820K system and a single 290X/780Ti.

Personally, if you just want a very fast system but don't want to overclock, wait 1 more month to get more clarity on 870/880s. Unless you are a hardcore overclocker, you'd be better off with i7 4790K, something like MSI Z97 Gaming 3 and dual 870/880s rather than X99 and a $600 780Ti.

 

[Deders]

My guess is the new 8xx series cards are likely to replace the 760/770 in the lineup but be closer to 780/TI performance at 1080p. The 780/TI's could still be better for 2560x1440 due to a higher memory bandwidth but we'll have to wait and see if Nvidia have anything unexpected up their sleeves.

I would expect the 8xx to be cheaper than the 780's. Not sure if it's actually going to affect the 780/TI prices much.

 

[Attic]

Basically started seeing stuff for the "880" and ATI though it dosent seem to look as ready and was wondering if there is any credence to these posts? (If it does come out unless you go with water block from the start you'll have to wait for after mkt version of the GPU just as with the r9 290x or 780ti but it still should cut costs off current hardware). The time frame makes some sense in that a Christmas release is best and "IF" they release then what would that do to the 290x/780ti prices. Do you think I should ignore it and make the purchase as its all not for sure yet(Except for the x99 roswell-E), or should I wait, really appreciate your view?

http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...ured-specs-of-geforce-gtx-880gm104-published/
http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/inde...are=geforce-gtx-660-ti-sli-vs-geforce-gtx-880

p.s. was going to go with the z97 chipset and now the x99 coming out do you think that should chance anything (I plan to buy one GPU now and another after some time after prices drop and would love to have the ability to run at least 2 or 3 cards all at x16 where with the 1150 its not possible. I have read that it docent makes a big performance difference to go x16/x8 but will haswell-e (you can run x16/x16) be way better than the haswell and offer a better product to wait for, I put in lots of homework and now im lost?
Does it make sense and wait till the new Haswell-E x99 mother boards and new i7 5960x(not i7-4790k) will be available and will they be a lot better than old haswell or z97 and the new GPUS a lot better than the r9 290x or 780ti?
THANKS

Sounds like you've done your homework.

1) No the new nvidia cards aren't going to shake up ultra high end GPU market much IMO based on info coming out.

2) 3x High End GPU will likely require water to maintain temps and clockspeeds and is overkill unless you will be going triple monitor or 4k. z87/z97 not an ideal choice for this, you want 40 PCI-Express 3.0 lanes from CPU.

3) Dual 780/780ti/290/290x is awsome from experience and what i've read up to 1600p or 3x1080P.

3) PCI 3.0 x8 is fine for multi gpu on Z87/Z97, you don't need x16 x16 operation to get full speed, x8 x8 is more than adequate. So fine for Crossfire or SLI.

4) The 4790k is an incredible gaming chip due to 4c/8t and very high clocks. 5820 will be lower clocks and more cores, so trade off and more expensive.


I think the answer for you is in your post. Z97, 4790k, and 1 high end GPU now and if needed another later. I'd recommend the 290x Vapor-x or Tri-x and push it to 1100-1200+ on the core, then crossfire down the road. Or just say F it and go Titan black.

Best is to get the dual GPU setup now if you can get price right. 290/290x used market can get you into dual GPU for less than a new 780ti and sometimes around price point of new 780. Other than that, wait for 880, but I dont' think that wait is promising of much pay off at this point based on prices of 290 today.

 

[Jacky60]

I'm surprised at how well my air cooled tri-fire 290s perform. Mild overclock but PCI 3.0x4 doesn't seem to lose much in the real world. Re:CPU x99 looks exciting
but I'm holding out for 2015 and 20nm GPU's. If x99 overclocks well I'm all in for six cores but somehow I suspect it wont.

 

[sebastian869]

My guess is the new 8xx series cards are likely to replace the 760/770 in the lineup but be closer to 780/TI performance at 1080p. The 780/TI's could still be better for 2560x1440 due to a higher memory bandwidth but we'll have to wait and see if Nvidia have anything unexpected up their sleeves.

I would expect the 8xx to be cheaper than the 780's. Not sure if it's actually going to affect the 780/TI prices much.

yeah i think the point of waiting a month for clarity does make sense but if i get the 780ti i doubt anything much quicker will come out the problem will mainly be the cost will come way down. someone said get basic setup and use the CPU GPU in the mean time till the news comes out. at this point ive gone brain dead with all the options on the HW and insult to injury now did that HW for nothing Potentialy lol

 

[sebastian869]

Sounds like you've done your homework.

1) No the new nvidia cards aren't going to shake up ultra high end GPU market much IMO based on info coming out.

2) 3x High End GPU will likely require water to maintain temps and clockspeeds and is overkill unless you will be going triple monitor or 4k. z87/z97 not an ideal choice for this, you want 40 PCI-Express 3.0 lanes from CPU.

3) Dual 780/780ti/290/290x is awsome from experience and what i've read up to 1600p or 3x1080P.

3) PCI 3.0 x8 is fine for multi gpu on Z87/Z97, you don't need x16 x16 operation to get full speed, x8 x8 is more than adequate. So fine for Crossfire or SLI.

4) The 4790k is an incredible gaming chip due to 4c/8t and very high clocks. 5820 will be lower clocks and more cores, so trade off and more expensive.


I think the answer for you is in your post. Z97, 4790k, and 1 high end GPU now and if needed another later. I'd recommend the 290x Vapor-x or Tri-x and push it to 1100-1200+ on the core, then crossfire down the road. Or just say F it and go Titan black.

Best is to get the dual GPU setup now if you can get price right. 290/290x used market can get you into dual GPU for less than a new 780ti and sometimes around price point of new 780. Other than that, wait for 880, but I dont' think that wait is promising of much pay off at this point based on prices of 290 today.

wam bam thank you mam. thanks for slaying all my questions.
if may this is what im about to order 4790k ,GTX780TI-DC2OC-3GD5 and little unsure on mobo can i get your opinion of the 3 Z97 Extreme6 or Z97 OC Formula or MAXIMUS VII HERO (hate that its wasting lanes on VGA).
thx

 

[tweakboy]

Yes 980 GTX in late 2015 holidays.any comments on this. thx

 

[Attic]

wam bam thank you mam. thanks for slaying all my questions.
if may this is what im about to order 4790k ,GTX780TI-DC2OC-3GD5 and little unsure on mobo can i get your opinion of the 3 Z97 Extreme6 or Z97 OC Formula or MAXIMUS VII HERO (hate that its wasting lanes on VGA).
thx

Extreme6 is my choice. Good spacing if you go dual gpu down the road and it's got 2 msata ports.

 

[sebastian869]

thanks, yeah plans to wait for the 780ti to drop at least in half and buy another and i dont think you get as much as performance with 2 to bother with 3 or 4

 

[RussianSensation]

Dp

 

[RussianSensation]

thanks, yeah plans to wait for the 780ti to drop at least in half and buy another and i dont think you get as much as performance with 2 to bother with 3 or 4

Why would you buy a 780Ti when you can get 2 aftermarket PowerColor PCS+ 290s that will smoke it for almost the same price?
http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=14-131-549

Even if you get a 2nd 780Ti, it's not much faster than 290s for $600-700 more it's going to cost:
http://www.sweclockers.com/recension/18944-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-z/17#pagehead

If you want to go NV route, you could consider 780Ghz edition SLI. Honestly with 870/880 rumored to come out next month, it's probably better to wait before spending $600-700 on a nearly 1 year old GPU.

 

[guskline]

Sebastian869, what rig do you have now or are you building a new one?

I would wait until the 880 "officially" is released before spending the $$. The x99 chipset and cpu alone will set you back quite a bit. Gaming alone, the 4790k is hard to beat.

Trust me, custom water cooling is NOT for the timid.

 

[ocre]

Why would you buy a 780Ti when you can get 2 aftermarket PowerColor PCS+ 290s that will smoke it for almost the same price?
http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=14-131-549

Even if you get a 2nd 780Ti, it's not much faster than 290s for $600-700 more it's going to cost:
http://www.sweclockers.com/recension/18944-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-z/17#pagehead

If you want to go NV route, you could consider 780Ghz edition SLI. Honestly with 870/880 rumored to come out next month, it's probably better to wait before spending $600-700 on a nearly 1 year old GPU.

I don't agree with your first part (the 290s), I say don't do that

Don't agree with the 2nd part (the 790ghz(s)), I say do not do that


I totally agree with the very last suggestion, don't buy anything this close to the 880 launch.

The performance predictions are all over the place, but nvidia will have to create some kind of buzz or it will not sell. U would absolutely not spend 700$ on any GPU today. Its just too close to the launch of a new series. The people claiming that the gm204 won't shake up the high end, they simply do not know this at all. My best advice is don't buy the 780ti right now. The high end is the most likely segment to be shaken up.

 

[Attic]

I like the 780ti idea if money doesn't matter much. Great card, just overpriced for what it's delivering.

I've done that before with GPU purchases (7800GT $400), it's not a huge problem IMO. To recall back to pricing, the 7800GTX was $599 and that was back in 2005.

 

[QuantumPion]

Wait a month till the 880 comes out, and buy used 780 ti from people that must have the latest card regardless of price at steep discount. Or just get an 880.

 

[sebastian869]

Why would you buy a 780Ti when you can get 2 aftermarket PowerColor PCS+ 290s that will smoke it for almost the same price?
http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=14-131-549

Even if you get a 2nd 780Ti, it's not much faster than 290s for $600-700 more it's going to cost:
http://www.sweclockers.com/recension/18944-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-z/17#pagehead

If you want to go NV route, you could consider 780Ghz edition SLI. Honestly with 870/880 rumored to come out next month, it's probably better to wait before spending $600-700 on a nearly 1 year old GPU.

yeah in value 780ti is a bad option but if you can afford it u are at least buying time (so that your new build can play all the new stuff on max for years) and when prices fall ill buy another (dosent really make much sense to do more since cooling will be an issue and ud need a tower)

I am worried about forking over the cash untill the "new" gpus come out but i figure that the new line will not improve much on the top end at most it will simple drop the price a couple hundred and i think there will be more speed introduced into the middle of the range. Thoug some made a good suggestion just buy everything short of gpu and use the CPU GPU in the interim.

 

[sebastian869]

Sebastian869, what rig do you have now or are you building a new one?

I would wait until the 880 "officially" is released before spending the $$. The x99 chipset and cpu alone will set you back quite a bit. Gaming alone, the 4790k is hard to beat.

Trust me, custom water cooling is NOT for the timid.

I have nothing as of you other than a MASIVE headache from the "new gpus" for ex because after doing a load of work to make a pick now its null and void potentially but i have to think that the top end will now be smoked with anything introduced this year.

Ive narrowed down to asrock extreme 6 (though i would love to have a MOBO that can handle x16/x16) but seems like that has to be either a 250+ 1150 or go x99 have the case ALMOST nailed down to either ARC MIDI R2 or SilverStone Fortress series Fortress FT01
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=200&area=en
just needs to be a mid tower w/1 5.25 at most 2 if you include a fan controller.
The asus non rog 780ti, i7-4790k, have not picked mem probably 2x4 that will leave ability to get another pair if ever needed(was looking towards cas 9 1866 1.5v) and still shopping around for a 250 GB SSD( SanDisk X210 256 GB had good reviews) and could use a HD only down to one after the crashes and its only a 250gb raptor.
That leave CPU cooler a nactua or a radiator/fan?

Thats my brain sprawled out though in fact its a word file like 100 pages long by now

 

[Phynaz]

Since you've been asking what to buy since last November, I suggest you stop worrying about it and just buy something. Otherwise you will be waiting forever.

 

[QuantumPion]

I am worried about forking over the cash untill the "new" gpus come out but i figure that the new line will not improve much on the top end at most it will simple drop the price a couple hundred and i think there will be more speed introduced into the middle of the range.

What? How do you "figure" that? All rumors so far indicate the 880 will probably be 25% faster than a 780ti for $100-$200 less. It sounds like you are just trying to make any excuse to yourself to justify being impatient to buy a card RIGHT NOW.

 

[Deders]

What? How do you "figure" that? All rumors so far indicate the 880 will probably be 25% faster than a 780ti for $100-$200 less. It sounds like you are just trying to make any excuse to yourself to justify being impatient to buy a card RIGHT NOW.

I've not seen any the the leaked benchmarks get close to a 780TI. My overclocked 780 beats them with a much older CPU to back it up.

 

[Sohaltang]

What? How do you "figure" that? All rumors so far indicate the 880 will probably be 25% faster than a 780ti for $100-$200 less. It sounds like you are just trying to make any excuse to yourself to justify being impatient to buy a card RIGHT NOW.

Faster than the 780ti? I doubt it but really hope so. If it really is Nvidia is not going to sell it cheap. Again, I hope they do. 780ti prices would plummet to 400$ or less.

 

[sebastian869]

I've not seen any the the leaked benchmarks get close to a 780TI. My overclocked 780 beats them with a much older CPU to back it up.

damn guys you really popping my bubble and you are right ive been "shopping" for a while but its complicated to make a long story short i had 3 spine surgeries and now i had a procedure tiny compare to a real surgery but they injected me with cortisone with a foot long needle x6 time and its why my time has dragged out its actually worst i started to want a new build a yrs plus. its the first time ever where that happen, normally i like doing a new build since its pretty much only then that i do hardware research a learn whats out (dosent make sense to do it after u buy as it only hurts to see). its ironic but because it dragged out that i finally said screw it no more comparisons or graphs just taking the ti dont care about cost. you guys are cool i got ppl cry on other sites that im asking for so long.
obviously the details aint here yet because they one can make a call. But someone else had a good point get all other stuff and run off the cpu gpu in mean time.
Im scrapping everything other than monitor and psu. I have no luck with cases each time i get one that is designed to attract dust. Was looking into
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=146&area=en
or prob the better one
http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/arc-series/arc-midi-r2

What worries me is look at the x99 you already can get most of the details and yet the GPU is still guessing and im really worried its not coming in a month but more like 4th quarter. One thing is for sure not gonna go with the x99. But not sure of the setup the z97 extreme 6 give you sli wise. if you just go with 2 cards will you get x16/x8 or x8/x8?

Thanks for all help really appreciate it and attic thats nothing in 93 is i bough a cd burner x1 for 3500 never got over it as now with the tax i could get a sweep blu ray burner and id bet all yall that top end not gonna move much.

 

[sebastian869]

check this out
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...ass-performance-for-first-64-bit-android-chip

 

[etrin]

I think just like everything N right now...more of the same with a nice big price increase.
700 series should be half of what they are. 880 will be new chip and as usual it will start off high price with low performance later they will make the 880ti and performance will be 10-20% higher and double the price.

maybe there will be a 390 and then the 700 series will see a $100 cheaper price.
If it comes out at a better price I will sell my 780 and never go back to N.

Just wait a few weeks. sept should be some more talk and info

Russian my system is very close to yours, age wise.
ASUS P8Z68-V PRO
i7-2600K at 4.5
780 Gigabyte B revision

At first I was all ready to get a "NEW" system X99 and DDR4 oh wow
now I just think well maybe.

will the Haswell-E and X99 be that much of an upgrade?
mainly gaming and goofing off.

I know I need a new video card I just checked N site and my old 780 is now outdated I need an 880 ROFL