DarkLense

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Seems like old school photography has died. I do realize we should go in step with time and technology, but occasionally you have to implement that saying: "Learn about the history so you can learn about the future".
I have had Nikon D70 in my hands and took about 250 photos before I returned to my precious Canon A1.
So I am curious does anyone use analog camera occasionally, and does anyone make black and white photos the old way in the darkroom?
 

jtvang125

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Tried it once with my dad's old Minolta Maxxum 7000. The results were a disaster. I think it was a combination of using film with too low of ISO for the lighting and the age of the film. Couldn't really tell cause well, there's no way to tell at the time of shooting. The ability of "what you see is what you get" with digital is too invaluable to me to give up. Plus needing pockets full of film just to cover a few hours or a day of shooting isn't economical either.
 
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corkyg

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Just checked, and there is still film in the camera - not used since 1996.
 

Syborg1211

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I shot about 50 rolls last year. I try to do a roll or two per shoot. It's a great change of pace from digital, and the photos definitely have their own style to them. Digital raws are so flat and neutral that it's hard to know where you want to go with those files, but seeing the film scans from that same shoot can give you some direction. Also something's nice about not having to do much to film scans before they're ready to share.

I've stopped shooting film recently though. My local film lab really sucks. They are super inconsistent with development times - 2 days to 3 weeks. I've experienced everything. They recently had a development issue and screwed up two rolls of mine. It's really turned me off the process. I need to find a film lab I can mail the film to.
 
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Billb2

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1.) Never buy a digital camera that doesn't have full manual control.
2.) Post processing is just so much easier with Digital.
 

DarkLense

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no.
time is precious.
I do admit that digital takes more time and is easier but if you like the photography then the entire process from shooting and using your knowledge because there is no delete try again, your knowledge is what guides the photo. The play of light and shadows the mood it creates and entire process of developing film and photographs in the dark room is reserved for the most passionate only. Crazy enough to enjoy the ultimate moment captured in time.
 
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jtvang125

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At some places you don't have to pay if you refuse them because they didn't turn out correctly.
 

Paladin3

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My first decent set of cameras was a Canon FD T90 and an F1n with a bunch of primes. Later I switched to Nikon and carried an FM2 and F3 for a long time, before adding an F100 to the bag. I also had access to an F4 and later a D2 from the pool as well as a bunch of lenses. Today it's nothing but digital.

When I started working for a newspaper in 1988 we hand rolled Kodak Tri-X B&W film for 99% of our work back then. When Kodak T-Max P3200 film came out we were in heaven. We developed film by hand on stainless steel reels in a can, then dried the film and printed on an enlarger by hand.

Those b&w photos were then put on a stat camera to be sized appropriately and turned into half tones with all the little dots. Those half tone photos were waxed and cut out by hand to be worked up on a newspaper page sized board along with the text of the stories and other graphics. Eventually that was sent to be photographed to make plates for the press.

Eventually we went to color and got a color film processor and a film scanner. When I quit the business in 2000 we had a couple of Nikon D2 DSLRs in the pool and we were in the process of going fully digital. Shooting and transmitting digitally was awesome because you no longer had to go back to the lab to turn in your photos. Complete freedom from the office that I'm sure today's photojournalists think of as normal.

Today you can just connect to and send everything you've shot from your phone.
 
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Syborg1211

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I feel like we're missing the point here talking about convenience and how long the process takes for film vs digital. That's like asking why people cook food themselves when they can buy at a restaurant or why buy all the ingredients to cook something when you can get premade meals to just microwave in the oven. Why hunt with a bow and arrow when you can use a gun? There are different skills involved and different results even though you're working towards the same means.

I think the easiest thing for us to initially identify when looking at a photo (especially us techies) is sharpness in photos. So it's easy to just say digital is the sharpest and leave it at that, but what happens when you start looking further at color, tonality, or mood? Film inherently has character in all those things, but flat raw files need to be manipulated to achieve those things. It takes a really really long time to learn how to properly process raw files whereas film right off the bat offers this to you. So in that sense, film is faster and easier than digital
 

Paladin3

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I feel like we're missing the point here talking about convenience and how long the process takes for film vs digital. That's like asking why people cook food themselves when they can buy at a restaurant or why buy all the ingredients to cook something when you can get premade meals to just microwave in the oven. Why hunt with a bow and arrow when you can use a gun? There are different skills involved and different results even though you're working towards the same means.

I think the easiest thing for us to initially identify when looking at a photo (especially us techies) is sharpness in photos. So it's easy to just say digital is the sharpest and leave it at that, but what happens when you start looking further at color, tonality, or mood? Film inherently has character in all those things, but flat raw files need to be manipulated to achieve those things. It takes a really really long time to learn how to properly process raw files whereas film right off the bat offers this to you. So in that sense, film is faster and easier than digital

I've always tried to not let the tools I use get in the way of the images I produce. When the viewer looks at my images and only asks what camera or what lens I feel as if I've failed a bit. Similarly, if the perspective of an wide angle lens or some kind of "cheap photo trick" is the only thing that makes the image even a little bit interesting then I've also failed a bit.

When I did this full time I often had to rely on every "cheap photo trick" I had in my bag to produce images for daily publication. That's what happens when you have to cover stuff like bake sales and ice cream socials for a living. Sure, you get some juicy assignments, too, but you can't be selective when you have 15 minutes in your schedule and the features editor is waiting for 2-3 photos from that ice cream social for their front page.

We are photo enthusiasts so it's natural we ask about lenses and cameras, but when I work I'll use whatever tools suit my needs. As a result, I haven't shot film or even much in RAW in a long time. A 17-50/2.8 sits on my main camera pretty much full-time, even though I know going back to a prime lens would improve results in many ways. I use a flash to manipulate light even though finding beautiful natural light is one of the biggest highs a photographer can get.

Shooting film was satisfying, kind of the same way using an old manual camera was, because not everyone could do it. It almost feels like cheating when you peep the histogram on your image in camera so you can adjust it. Same for being able to save almost any photo in post processing. Back in the day if you fudged it up in the field that was it. You were done. When you got it right in the field it felt satisfying.

One day I was feeling really burned out at work. We often had more assignments and less time than we would have liked to shoot them in. I felt I was turning in crap work because of it and, as corny as it sounds, it started to hurt my soul.

I miraculously had some extra time at an assignment one day, so I decided to shoot with two manual film cameras, two simple primes, no motordrives, no flash and just one roll of film in each camera. I slowed down, took my time and tried to remember what I liked about photography. Something about one tiny click and manually cranking the film forward one frame at a time is a thrill you don't get at 6fps on a DSLR.

I don't even remember what the event was, but I remember this little kid with a dirty face and the biggest smile and eyes every. I shot several frames of him doing something and the available lighting was pretty good. I learned to occasionally make time for enjoying the process of creating images so I wouldn't go crazy. It didn't entirely work, but that's another story.

Whatever tool works best for your type of photography is the right tool, but sometimes slowing down with "lesser" equipment and enjoying the process more can save your Zen.

EDIT: If you read this far, thanks for putting up with my ramblings.
 
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DarkLense

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@Paladin3 @Syborg1211
I think this can conclude the post those two replies at the end from paladin and syborg. I used to think everyone knew black and white photography turns out I barely met a dozen of people at the time. I chose to do photography for the love of the play. Its a challenging game one day you make masterpiece the other is something you feel embarrassed about, like anything in life. "it started to hurt my soul" There is certain something I shot with digital Nikon and digital Canon but when I went back to analog Canon II found the photos had an atmosphere I realized that I wasnt searching for perfection, I was searching for soul. I captured a kid smiling at me at dusk, the smile and the look in his eyes are worth a lot, but the atmosphere and magic the Canon sent back to its body is irresistible, I cant stop watching the photo.
I stopped doing it because I felt overrun by the technology. And the fact that I was always chasing deadlines like Paladin. It wasnt that, but the fact I was searching for the magic, and digital didnt hand it over. There is additional reward when you take time, and do something for the love of it.
"So in that sense, film is faster and easier than digital " I agree to that, but the process when you are not chasing deadlines is more analog inclined for me. " Something about one tiny click and manually cranking the film forward one frame at a time is a thrill"
 
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carusoswi

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Yes, I still shoot film. I grew up with it, salivated for equipment that would allow me to capture photos that would resemble those I viewed in print that inspired me to the craft. I finally was able to acquire what I consider to be the pinnacle of film cameras just five years ago, so, I'm in no mood to give up film at this point. I have also acquired what I believe to be my last digital SLR. My GSO is quenched. I will ride into the sunset with my DSLR in one hand, my mighty SLR in the other.
Caruso
 
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Syborg1211

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Yes, I still shoot film. I grew up with it, salivated for equipment that would allow me to capture photos that would resemble those I viewed in print that inspired me to the craft. I finally was able to acquire what I consider to be the pinnacle of film cameras just five years ago, so, I'm in no mood to give up film at this point. I have also acquired what I believe to be my last digital SLR. My GSO is quenched. I will ride into the sunset with my DSLR in one hand, my mighty SLR in the other.
Caruso

Allllright you got me - what do you consider the pinnacle of film cameras?
 

carusoswi

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For me it is the Minolta Maxxum 9. It has all the control features i desire and they are laid out in a sensible manner that are easily accessible, a logical marriage of analog and menu type controls, fastest shutter available on a 35 mm body, and solid build quality. It allows for easy mid roll film change, and features a sophisticated flash system.
For me, it's as close as you can get to a DSLR that shoots film.
Respectfully
Caruso
 

sonitravel09

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Lots of things are still analog. It's even possible to use some digital logic elements as analog amplifiers if you strap on some additional components.
 
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jhansman

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I still have all my film gear (Canon T70, several lenses, Command Back, ext. tubes, et al). Have tried to sell it all twice for a good price, but no takers. I loved the darkroom, and developed (pun intended) a love for B&W as a result. That love has carried over to my digital gear, and while I also love working in Lightroom, you really can't compare to two experiences. In the end, none of my film work ever made it framed to the wall. Several of my digital shots now grace my living room wall, and I like to think of them as the result of years of hard practice that started with film.
 
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