Does Boise St. Deserve a share of the national title?

[KeypoX]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
This whole never ending argument is what makes College ball a bunch of pansy wusses.

Until it goes to a playoff system it's just plain crap.

Only crap if you didnt goto college

Also like someone else said its not about being number 1 its about the rivals and winning the conference

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: KeypoX

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: her209
Won't happen because Ohio will massacre Florida.

Not so sure, I think the Big-10 was sort of exposed when Michigan lost to USC. Who have they played? A decent Texas team? An exposed Michigan team?

If anybody's schedule strength should be questioned, it should be Ohio State's.

yep ... people are pretty stupid, but you my man are a smart one... Ohio state hasnt seen a defence yet so watch out . Its the D that does the damage ... and Michgan gave up 72ish points in the last two games lol.

I am from columbus but bleed orange and blue anyone watch the Ohio state vs Florida game

Yeah florida was the underdog for that one too 86-60 Florida baby .... Would have been more but we wanted to play the walk ons too

Valid point, although I still think OSU will beat Florida ... too bad about the UCLA game because I think the only team that could have taken OSU out this year was USC.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: KeypoX

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Especially if Florida beats Ohio State, Boise St. and Florida will BOTH sport 3 wins over top-25 teams and an impressive bowl win. The difference is that Boise St. will be undefeated

I think the AP poll should vote them number 1 if that happens, and maybe even if Ohio State wins. They deserve it. They showed they can beat anybody.

Thoughts?

the difference is that Florida played 11 bowl elligible teams and boise played 2 ... boise would have not surivived in a real conference ... but i do think a play off would be the best

San Jose St, Oregon State, Hawaii, Wyoming, Utah, and Nevada were all bowl eligible.

Lets face it, if the 1991 Miami Hurricanes could win it, so should Boise State.

 

[Ferocious]

I agree that USC had the only shot at beating OSU. Though they would have lost.

If Florida does win...my initial thought is that Boise should get a piece of title. But I see OSU winning by 10 or so.

I haven't been stunned this much from watching a game since I watched Villanova topple Georgetown over 20 years ago. I know different sport and game, but I'm talking about how long my jaw stayed dropped.

 

[BlancoNino]

Queasy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I-A_national_football_champions

You're right though, the NCAA does not recognize a national champion. The AP poll might not be part of the BCS anymore, but they still award a national title.

The BCS was formed to try and make it more clear who the REAL winner is, but like what happened in 2003, it didn't happen. USC still won a share of the national title. The BCS wasn't designed to be the clear cut winner of the national championship and nobody else could split it, it was to make it so that split championships were less common.

 

[RebelDog]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Juno
boise state had a weak schedule.

They beat 3 top-25 teams. If Florida wins, they will have beaten 3 top-25 teams as well. The difference is that Boise St. will be UNDEFEATED. That makes them better.

The second that Boise St. can play a tough SEC schedule like Florida did and beat strong teams like Tennessee, South Carolina, Florida State, Georgia, and Alabama, and beat really tough teams like Arkansas and LSU, and only lose to a mean Auburn team by a disputed fumble, then Boise St. might be better. Trick plays are pretty and they get headlines, but you can't use them all season long.

Cliffs:
1) Get a schedule
2) Go to national championship game

 

[alexjohnson16]

All this talk, and yet no mention of Utah in 2004.

The Utes played arguably a much tougher schedule then BS played this year, with wins over four bowl elgible teams (Texas A&M, New Mexico, North Carolina, and Wyoming), a win over PAC 10 Arizona, and a dismantling of Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl... they finished 12-0...

USC won that year (by throttling OU in the Orange Bowl and finishing 13-0), but to all the people in here (I'm pointing at you BlancoNino) that believe that undefeated = NC over nondefeated and that schedule strength doesn't matter, shouldn't two undefeated teams be split champions?

 

[DoNotDisturb]

Can't really say. The BCS system is so flawed.

 

[DoNotDisturb]

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dumb double post

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Queasy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I-A_national_football_champions

You're right though, the NCAA does not recognize a national champion. The AP poll might not be part of the BCS anymore, but they still award a national title.

The BCS was formed to try and make it more clear who the REAL winner is, but like what happened in 2003, it didn't happen. USC still won a share of the national title. The BCS wasn't designed to be the clear cut winner of the national championship and nobody else could split it, it was to make it so that split championships were less common.

I don't consider Wikipedia an organization able to grant National Championship either. It falls under the same silly misconception that the current system allows for a split national championship.

Again, I'm not saying the current system works. But this is the way it has worked since 1998.

 

[Feldenak]

All this talk, and yet no mention of Auburn in 2004.

The Tigers played arguably a much tougher schedule then BSU played this year.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I'd love a playoff system. Then again, without one I can put more weight on conference championships and not even pay attention to the BCS title game since I know it's a sham anyway.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Many of the big caliber conferences do not want to tackle the better WAC & MW teams for fear of getting an upset.

Those conference is unknown and as has been shown; some of their top teams have a nasty habit of playing much better than expected.

Utah and Boise love to act as the underdog and show up the naysayers.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Queasy
In 2003, the BCS Championship game determined the national champion. And it wasn't the Trojans.

Nope. USC is ALSO officially considered the national champs of 2003 by the NCAA record book.

Link? This NCAA Championship History page doesn't even list Division I football. It was my understanding that the NCAA doesn't ever officially recognize a division 1 football champion.

The "Official 2006 NCAA Divisions 1-A and I-AA Football Records Book" lists "National Poll Champions" Which includes the BCS champions, the AP champions, and several other polls and rankings. It lists both LSU and USC in 2003.

 

[NeoV]

a few thoughts...

Boise St. is a very good team, but let's be honest, they are a 3 or 4 loss team in the Big 10 or the SEC, 2-3 losses in the Pac 10 or ACC - minimum.

Oklahoma is an average team with one great player - Bob Stoops should be the coach peope are picking on, not Lloyd Carr. Yes, he's lost to OSU 3 out of the last 4 games, but those OSU teams are some of the best OSU teams they have ever fielded - how many players from last year's team are in the NFL now, and how good is this year's OSU team? He lost a Rose Bowl to Vince Young's Texas team that was a very close game, he's a good recruiter, and for the most part UM's players stay out of trouble. If that gets him fired, then there is something wrong with college football. UM will be a top 5 team at the start of next season, even with a few early departures expected.


IF OSU loses to Florida, then my final rankings would be Florida 1, OSU 2, LSU 3, Boise St 4, Wisconsin 5, USC 6 (assuming LSU blasts ND like they should)

 

[meltdown75]

My final NCAA football thought of the year is this:

You can have a kickass team with great offense and D but unless you have the playbook and the balls to use it in big games, you're going to get spanked. Helps to make adjustments at halftime too, instead of doing the same thing that didn't work in the 1st half.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Oklahoma is a joke anyway...Boise State doesn't even come CLOSE to deserving a partial national title. Ohio State? Hell yes.

 

[dr150]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Especially if Florida beats Ohio State, Boise St. and Florida will BOTH sport 3 wins over top-25 teams and an impressive bowl win. The difference is that Boise St. will be undefeated

I think the AP poll should vote them number 1 if that happens, and maybe even if Ohio State wins. They deserve it. They showed they can beat anybody.

Thoughts?

Okie battled it out with a terrible Oregon team. And couldn't defeat a WAC team with a soft schedule.

Yes, Boise State is good, but come on. OSU? Florida? The talent gap is too big.

It does beg for a playoff system though! Bring on the playoffs!

 

[cubby1223]

It always makes me laugh when I hear people saying a playoff system will solve all problems.

Bull.

Create a 4-team playoff and all we'll be doing every year is bitching & complaining that the #5 team got shafted.

Create any larger playoff system and all we'll be doing every year is bitching & complaining that the playoffs last way too long and there are too many opportunities for injury (which is more significant than in the NFL because these players haven't been paid yet).