Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Originally posted by: sao123
The word atheist already implies you have an opionion.
You are not an implicit atheist by birth. The word for that is agnostic.
Agnosticism is not mutually exclusive to atheism. To describe newborns completely would be to categorize them as agnostic atheists.
Atheist is literally translated from greek as Godless.
More accurately, "not theist."
Agnostic however means someone who has not commited to an opinion about theism.
You cannot interject uncertainty in to the word athiest which explicitly and quantifiably claims 0 gods.
It does not. I know this, because I am an atheist, and I do not make such a claim.
I said it would be more logical to be a theist than an atheist at birth, based on historic premise.
...which is meaningless and false.
The first atheist recognized is a greek (Diagoras) around 5BCE, however aethism was not commonly mainstream until the 17th century beginning with Baron d'Holbach of France... and the "age of enlightenment" is a historically recognized age (of the 17th century to present) like the "age of steam" the "age of bronze/stone/iron" etc.
Irrelevancies.
Sounds like you need to learn some terminology and history before you argue.
Recommended reading
http://www.infidels.org/librar...dern/mathew/intro.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist
http://www.religioustolerance.org/atheist4.htm
Noah Webster disagree's with you... and since he wrote the dictionary... his opinion counts. Yours doenst.
Main Entry: athe·ism
Pronunciation: \'a-the-?i-z?m\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god
Date: 1546
1archaic : ungodliness wickedness
2 a: a disbelief in the existence of deity b: the doctrine that there is no deity
Main Entry: 1ag·nos·tic
Pronunciation: \ag-'näs-tik, ?g-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek agnostos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnostos known, from gignoskein to know ? more at know
Date: 1869
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2: a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>
? ag·nos·ti·cism \-t?-?si-z?m\ noun
Cambridge Dictionary Disagrees with you.
agnostic
noun [C]
someone who does not know, or believes that it is impossible to know, whether a god exists.
Definition
atheist
noun [C]
someone who believes that God or gods do not exist
Oxford English disagrees with you.
atheism
/aythi-iz?m/
? noun the belief that God does not exist.
? ORIGIN from Greek a- ?without? + theos ?god?.
agnostic
/agnostik/
? noun a person who believes that nothing can be known concerning the existence of God.
? DERIVATIVES agnosticism noun.
Longmans Dictionary diagrees with you
a?the?is?m [uncountable]
the belief that God does not exist [? agnosticism (agnostic)]
?atheistic adjective
ag?nos?tic [countable]
RR someone who believes that people cannot know whether God exists or not [? atheist]
?agnostic adjective
Ive read your sites previously, as they are stouted every time this discussion occurs... and they simply have no credible weight behind them. Those sites are pro atheist by atheist and have no real credible backing from any worldwide recognized source.