Does God exist to you.

[Fides]

Originally posted by: Amused
Define "spiritual."

I've been around 35 years. I've heard most, if not all arguments for the existence of a god. None has swayed me. If it cannot be reproduced or repeated on demand, it just is not valid evidence to me.

Spiritual is the faculty you need to understand God. The God of any "religion"/religion/faith/belief.

 

[Infos]

There are no atheists in foxholes.

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: Fides

Originally posted by: TheBDB
No. I've had tons of people tell me their individual reasons for believing in god. To put it simply, I don't believe because I don't agree with their arguments, I don't feel a need to have faith, I haven't experienced the things they have, their reasons simply don't work for me. I've never seen a credible reason to believe. If you do, that's cool with me.

So who are you, what do you think you'll become after death, what created the universe(man?) and why do you exist. These are questions you sureley must have thought of and have some beleif of your own

Who am I? My name is Scott.

After death my body will decay and decompose.

I have no freaking idea about the creation of the universe. Our current laws of nature break down at the big bang.

I exist because some years ago my parents had sex and conceived me.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: Fides

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Fides

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: LandRover
Right... we all just evolved from frogs or something. And the world and everything living on it just created itself.

Life presents questions we can't answer. Acting as if you have the answer is just ignorant. Guess what? We don't have the answers! So let's stop fooling ourselves.

Yep. And to create an answer is just as ignorant.

I'll admit anything we say here will be wrong to some extent or another, but it's nice to humor ourselves once and a while.
A simple question; God, yes and/or no... And why if you please.

I don't know. And I wont act as if I do. All I can do is examine and judge the so-called evidence or lack thereof. So far, nothing has surfaced that makes me believe there is a god. However, nothing has proven there is no god either. So I'm intellectually indifferent.

Maybe god isn't somthing entireley intellectual. Physical, intellectual, spiritual(?)...
And then again, many people dont like to use science for the latter.

Who says that pysical, intellectual, and spiritual are the only "modes" of existance? If the concept of infinity is true, there are infinite things going on at anyone time, and they will continue to happen for an infinite amount of time... and they HAVE already been happening for an infinite amount of time. There are things infinitely smaller than us, and there are things infinitely larger than us. Whatever we can hope to understand, it is infinitesimally insignificant in proportion to what really does exist. Then again, if infinity exists, and every direction goes on infinitely, then NOTHING understands it all, nor is there even an "all" at all. Gotta love that concept of infinity

 

[Konigin]

Yes.

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: Infos
There are no atheists in foxholes.

What a load of crap.

 

[Fides]

 

[Fides]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: Fides

Originally posted by: TheBDB
No. I've had tons of people tell me their individual reasons for believing in god. To put it simply, I don't believe because I don't agree with their arguments, I don't feel a need to have faith, I haven't experienced the things they have, their reasons simply don't work for me. I've never seen a credible reason to believe. If you do, that's cool with me.

So who are you, what do you think you'll become after death, what created the universe(man?) and why do you exist. These are questions you sureley must have thought of and have some beleif of your own

1- Who am I? My name is Scott.

2- After death my body will decay and decompose.

3- I have no freaking idea about the creation of the universe. Our current laws of nature break down at the big bang.

4- I exist because some years ago my parents had sex and conceived me.

1- You are the you you see yourself as, the you you see others seeing yourself and much much more

2- what about all that stuff we call the "soul"?

3- laws of nature vs. laws of the being who created them. who wins?

4- why do your parents exist, and their parents, and the cells that evolved to make them(if evolution pleases you).. etc

 

[everman]

Well there would have to be something to cause the universe to exist, for how can something be infinite? But in order for that to happen, there would need to be an uncaused cause, that is otherwise you would infinitly regress saying that one thing caused the other, infinitly. Or in other words if there was a big bang to cause the universe, something had to cause that to happen, the material had to come from somewhere as it is a law that energy is never created nor destroyed.
*headache* ow

 

[Fides]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Who says that pysical, intellectual, and spiritual are the only "modes" of existance? If the concept of infinity is true, there are infinite things going on at anyone time, and they will continue to happen for an infinite amount of time... and they HAVE already been happening for an infinite amount of time. There are things infinitely smaller than us, and there are things infinitely larger than us. Whatever we can hope to understand, it is infinitesimally insignificant in proportion to what really does exist. Then again, if infinity exists, and every direction goes on infinitely, then NOTHING understands it all, nor is there even an "all" at all. Gotta love that concept of infinity

Despite all this, infinity is simply one word. If God is infinite to you (as I assume) why? and so what?

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: Fides

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: Fides

Originally posted by: TheBDB
No. I've had tons of people tell me their individual reasons for believing in god. To put it simply, I don't believe because I don't agree with their arguments, I don't feel a need to have faith, I haven't experienced the things they have, their reasons simply don't work for me. I've never seen a credible reason to believe. If you do, that's cool with me.

So who are you, what do you think you'll become after death, what created the universe(man?) and why do you exist. These are questions you sureley must have thought of and have some beleif of your own

1- Who am I? My name is Scott.

2- After death my body will decay and decompose.

3- I have no freaking idea about the creation of the universe. Our current laws of nature break down at the big bang.

4- I exist because some years ago my parents had sex and conceived me.

1- You are the you you see yourself as, the you you see others seeing yourself and much much more

2- what about all that stuff we call the "soul"?

3- laws of nature vs. laws of the being who created them. who wins?

4- why do your parents exist, and their parents, and the cells that evolved to make them(if evolution pleases you).. etc

I have no idea what this "soul" thing is you are talking about. Where is that in the body? I don't know the laws of the being who created them, so I don't know who wins. Why do all the people, cells, atoms, everything exist? How should I know. I take no comfort in creating a god to explain that question.

 

[Fides]

Originally posted by: TheBDBI have no idea what this "soul" thing is you are talking about. Where is that in the body? I don't know the laws of the being who created them, so I don't know who wins. Why do all the people, cells, atoms, everything exist? How should I know. I take no comfort in creating a god to explain that question.

I don't think anyone knows exactly what the soul thing is. Assume for the purposes of this discussion, it's all the stuff that happens in your brain that makes you more than a rock, the thing that makes you act more than a simple instinctive creature, what makes you, you in a sense.

Where is it? Frankly, i don't know either, but i suppose you'd have to see it as real for it to dwell in a specific place(or no place)

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: Fides

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Who says that pysical, intellectual, and spiritual are the only "modes" of existance? If the concept of infinity is true, there are infinite things going on at anyone time, and they will continue to happen for an infinite amount of time... and they HAVE already been happening for an infinite amount of time. There are things infinitely smaller than us, and there are things infinitely larger than us. Whatever we can hope to understand, it is infinitesimally insignificant in proportion to what really does exist. Then again, if infinity exists, and every direction goes on infinitely, then NOTHING understands it all, nor is there even an "all" at all. Gotta love that concept of infinity

Despite all this, infinity is simply one word. If God is infinite to you (as I assume) why? and so what?

I don't believe in a god.

 

[Fides]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
I don't believe in a god.

Is there any reason for this? Or you just woke up one day and decided.

 

[AznMaverick]

i'll give it a HECK YEA.

 

[HombrePequeno]

For me a god doesn't exist. I see no evidence for one and my life is fine without one. We are born and later we die. We got one chance at life so might as well make it a good one.

 

[Willoughbyva]

I believe in God.

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: Fides

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
I don't believe in a god.

Is there any reason for this? Or you just woke up one day and decided.

I think you have the question backwards. You don't have to wake up and decide not to believe in god. Not believing in something is the standard state. You need a reason to wake up and start believing in god.

 

[Fides]

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
For me a god doesn't exist. I see no evidence for one and my life is fine without one. We are born and later we die. We got one chance at life so might as well make it a good one.

You also have an equally great chance at death. How bout making that a good one too?

 

[Anubis]

uop

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: Fides

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
I don't believe in a god.

Is there any reason for this? Or you just woke up one day and decided.

I think you have the question backwards. You don't have to wake up and decide not to believe in god. Not believing in something is the standard state. You need a reason to wake up and start believing in god.

I agree. I was raised to believe in a god, but during junior high I started thinking and questioning things alot. At first I was scared to not believe in god (maybe I'll get struck by lightning for being a heathen!), but finally I decided it just didn't make sense, and I've been that way ever since. I have learned alot about the reasons behind religion since then, and it simply seems ridiculous to buy into any of them.

 

[Fides]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: Fides

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
I don't believe in a god.

Is there any reason for this? Or you just woke up one day and decided.

I think you have the question backwards. You don't have to wake up and decide not to believe in god. Not believing in something is the standard state. You need a reason to wake up and start believing in god.

Not necessarily. From the second anyone reads this post, they know that something called God is being referred to by other people. From the time it took them to read the post, to the time it took them to reply, an opinion was formed, and that opinion had a reason behind it, no matter how slight.

 

[Amused]

You keep intruducing things you have no evidence for, to explain why you believe in something you... have no evidence for.

"Soul" -- A non-defined "thing" with no evidence.

"laws of nature" WTF are these? I know of physics and the constrants presented to us by it, but "laws of nature?"

"Why do we exist?" there is no why, only how. "Why" is something YOU are trying to explain to soothe your own image of reality.

Until you can learn to be objective, these questions will never be clear to you. You will continue to cloud your ideas with wishful thinking and wish fulfullment.

 

[Fides]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
I agree. I was raised to believe in a god, but during junior high I started thinking and questioning things alot. At first I was scared to not believe in god (maybe I'll get struck by lightning for being a heathen!), but finally I decided it just didn't make sense, and I've been that way ever since. I have learned alot about the reasons behind religion since then, and it simply seems ridiculous to buy into any of them.

And I suppose it was those still lingering questions that brought you to keep thinking. For I?m sure those "reasons behind religion" haven?t all been answered. Maybe we should redefine our definition of what religion is before we say it is simply ridiculous.

 

[Fides]

Thanks for the discussion.
I'll look forward to it tommorw, but right now sleep seems like a nice alternative.

P.s: 74 posts in an hour, that's gotta be a record or somthing. Must be more to this than any of us care to admit.