Does it hurt you to swallow dip spit?

[DainBramaged]

My friend and I are arguing. Assuming you are accepting the inherent risks in dipping, does it add any further risk if you swallow the spit, rather than actually spitting it?

 

[IronWing]

Do you enjoy puking?

 

[DainBramaged]

I don't puke when I do it...

 

[OutHouse]

stomach cancer is party time.

 

[nakedfrog]

It's difficult to imagine it not being more harmful.

 

[momeNt]

Is it natural organic / non-gmo, fair trade, conflict free tobacco? If it is then it isn't actually bad for you to chew, spit, or swallow. Big-pharma and the Chemo-Industrial-Complex added the cancer into it so they could fleece the public out of huge sums of money for treatment. Chew responsibly friend.

 

[zinfamous]

I assume that if you swallow it as regularly as you dip--I'm guessing like, 4-10 times per day?--then you will certainly develop super cancer.

The type of cancer that has its own AIDs.

 

[cbrunny]

Harmful to who? The user? Yes. Society? Well, you know that scene in the lion king where the hyenas talk about picking off sick antelope? That's the user.

 

[mindless1]

Yes, like any poisons/carcinogens your risk goes up the more you're exposed to it. The concentration is highest in the mouth so it's a primary risk, far more so than digestive system cancer, but also the additional nicotine absorption will lead to deeper addiction and less of a rush due to slower continual absorption. Granted, if you really want the rush you'd smoke or e-cig.

 

[BurnItDwn]

What the hell is dipping? and what is it that you are swallowing?
Is that code for semen?

 

[LevelSea]

Most likely worse than spitting. I never could swallow when I dipped, or at least not on purpose. I took a big gulp from a spit bottle on accident once though. Not pleasant.

 

[mindless1]

What the hell is dipping? and what is it that you are swallowing?
Is that code for semen?

Seriously you've been around this long and don't know dipping is oral/lip use of ground tobacco? It's like crossing chewing tobacco with coffee grounds, or a powder like fine grind in a sealed pouch like a tea bag aka snuff but oral instead of snorted. It makes your mouth water, then it's spit or swallow. Practically nobody swallows if they don't have to.

 

[lxskllr]

I would expect a higher chance of gastrointestinal and pancreatic cancer. Dip has been getting safer over the years due to improved manufacturing, but it still uses fermented fire cured tobacco. That has a moderate tsna count, and it tends to rise as it ages over weeks/months at room temperature. I use snus, which is air cured and pasteurized. It has a low tsna count that doesn't rise appreciably over time. I never spit with snus. Once in a blue I'll buy dip, and I only spit a couple times, and then swallow the rest. I'm not worried about it for the little bit I use dip. If I used it daily, I'd be more concerned.

 

[RLGL]

The whole scene is bad for your health!

 

[DainBramaged]

I would expect a higher chance of gastrointestinal and pancreatic cancer. Dip has been getting safer over the years due to improved manufacturing, but it still uses fermented fire cured tobacco. That has a moderate tsna count, and it tends to rise as it ages over weeks/months at room temperature. I use snus, which is air cured and pasteurized. It has a low tsna count that doesn't rise appreciably over time. I never spit with snus. Once in a blue I'll buy dip, and I only spit a couple times, and then swallow the rest. I'm not worried about it for the little bit I use dip. If I used it daily, I'd be more concerned.

This was the post I was counting on in creating this thread. Thanks for the input. I knew you'd come through. Seriously, I do appreciate it.

 

[angminas]

Why do people even use chewing tobacco? Serious question. Everything about it sounds like something out of a dystopian novel. I can't imagine what leads a person to try it for the first time.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Why do people even use chewing tobacco? Serious question. Everything about it sounds like something out of a dystopian novel. I can't imagine what leads a person to try it for the first time.

Usually peer pressure/herd mentality. When I was in the AF, a very large portion of the older guys (10+ years in) were fighting to get off cigs, and much work was being done to de-smoke everyone. Shifted to contract work with the army, and everyone >10 years in dipped. Like everyone. Passed a hundred people a day with dip in their craw. Nobody smoked though.

 

[zinfamous]

Why do people even use chewing tobacco? Serious question. Everything about it sounds like something out of a dystopian novel. I can't imagine what leads a person to try it for the first time.

This is pretty much what I've been thinking while reading this thread. My only explanation is that coca leaves, while offering a better high and certainly far safer, are illegal. So, that sucks.

 

[angminas]

This is pretty much what I've been thinking while reading this thread. My only explanation is that coca leaves, while offering a better high and certainly far safer, are illegal. So, that sucks.

I wonder if chewing the leaves has any undocumented health risks. Kinda hard to run a study on it. I doubt the plantation owners keep many records.

 

[nakedfrog]

Why do people even use chewing tobacco? Serious question. Everything about it sounds like something out of a dystopian novel. I can't imagine what leads a person to try it for the first time.

I used to be a smoker, and I was curious why people did it as well, so I tried it once.
That was enough for me.

 

[zinfamous]

I wonder if chewing the leaves has any undocumented health risks. Kinda hard to run a study on it. I doubt the plantation owners keep many records.

Good question and yeah: proper research at this point can only be confined to a single lab, on a single grant. Yeah! schedule 1 or whatever nonsense....

It would have to be a big study, though. The benefits are very real to the people that actually need the leaves: high altitude dwellers/laborers that need the increased O2 > blood efficiency that coca affects. I wonder what similar consumption would mean for lower elevation, plains-based metabolisms and the overall negatives for both groups? Of course, diet always plays a role in all groups. Nutrition and science are effing complicated.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Seriously you've been around this long and don't know dipping is oral/lip use of ground tobacco? It's like crossing chewing tobacco with coffee grounds, or a powder like fine grind in a sealed pouch like a tea bag aka snuff but oral instead of snorted. It makes your mouth water, then it's spit or swallow. Practically nobody swallows if they don't have to.

Ive heard of snus.
Swallowing loose snus or packet of snus would be disgusting.

never heard it called "dipping"

Dipping is what you do with chips and salsa or chicken fingers and bbq sauce.

 

[WHAMPOM]

My friend and I are arguing. Assuming you are accepting the inherent risks in dipping, does it add any further risk if you swallow the spit, rather than actually spitting it?

After seeing the number of base ball players that came down with mouth cancer, you want to swallow the shit?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

It will totes bramage your dain.

 

[SirStev0]

< Surgeon
We had a younger guy with a perforated ulcer that we could only figure was because of his insistence on swallowing chew spit. Had horrible gastritis and esophagitis. After getting ex lap'ed and having a 20 cm cut down his midline he stopped and repeat scope everything was cleaned.

Esophageal, Pancreatic, and Stomach cancer each are know to increase in risk with oral tobacco use. You swallow a small amount no matter how much you spit. Stomach and Esophageal cancers are also known to be increase with diets high in smoked meats due to tars and other carcinogens that get into the meats and then into the lining.

Tobacco of all kinds increase risk of kidney, colon, and bladder cancer as well because whatever you put in has to come out some how... so then the carcinogens just sit in these storage areas and mutate the hell out of whatever genes they want.

I always joke that its obvious that the tobacco companies are the ones that are putting up those "TRUTH" ads because if they really wanted to discourage tobacco use they'd show stuff related to Muscle Invasive Bladder Cancer.

Horrible disease. Total Man-eater. Without intervention has 2 year survival. Very high rate of metastasis.. In fact.. Already considered micrometastatic when it is found. Only possible cure is radical cystectomy and extended pelvic lymph node dissection with heavy dose chemotherapy. Your kidney have to get plugged into a piece of bowel to handle your urine meaning most people get a stoma (a hole in the abdominal wall that a piece of bowel is pulled through) to empty the urine into a bag. Ideally you give the chemotherapy prior to surgery because there is a slight survival benefit... nasty hair falls out, kicks your ass chemotherapy. Not good stuff. The surgery has a 50% complication rate at baseline, one of the highest for standard therapy major surgery.

I'd say 100% of the people I've seen with it had never heard of it (except for the few that their Dad/other family had it too) and had no idea smoking was a known risk.

So yeah. Don't swallow chew spit. In fact, stop using tobacco all together. Or don't. We all have to die somehow.