Does Kabini suffer the same 64-bit penalty as Brazos/Zacate did?

[VirtualLarry]

Just wondering. I'm running Win 8.1 64-bit on this E1-2500 Kabini 1.4Ghz dual-core, and the Waterfox 32.0.3 64-bit browser. It lags a lot more than my Bay Trail N2830 laptop, which is running Win 8.1 w/Bing 64-bit, running the same browser, with the same amount of RAM and HDD size / spec (though I don't think that they are the same exact HDD model).

I'm running the newest 14.9 WHQL Cat drivers for the IGP too.

There's just this... lag... with the AMD Kabini rig. It's kind of annoying. I mean, right-clicking and waiting for the menu to pop up. It always takes like a second.

I think that I remember reading that basically, Brazos supports 64-bit operation, but isn't optimized for it, in terms of cache size / width, bus width, opcode latency in 64-bit mode, something like that.

Is Kabini similarly handicapped?

 

[Denithor]

Use an SSD instead of a HDD?

 

[MeldarthX]

what do you have running in the background ? they aren't bad little things I'd just cleaned up a system for the CEO of company I work for; it was e-1200....it got a little sluggish just by everything that was running in the back ground.

closed down a few processes and she's running fine now

 

[VirtualLarry]

Use an SSD instead of a HDD?

If I could figure how to get this damn AIO's plastic shell design apart safely without ruining it, I just might.

what do you have running in the background ? they aren't bad little things I'd just cleaned up a system for the CEO of company I work for; it was e-1200....it got a little sluggish just by everything that was running in the back ground.
closed down a few processes and she's running fine now

E1-1200? 1.0Ghz? That's even more horrid than this thing. Don't know how you can stand it.

Anyways, I have internet radio playing in the background (64-bit Flash Player Plugin), and CPU usage is 44-54%.

I have Skype running in the background too, but not in a call.

Memory usage is 2.6GB, commit charge is 2.9GB. Total physical RAM is 4GB.

 

[MeldarthX]

ugh flash player. where did you get e1-1200 is 1.0 its a 1.4.......flash will kill things faster than you know.......it makes most things sluggish; try to see if you can switch to html 5 player......

skype running the background shouldn't be too bad; its really not that bad of a system once all the spyware and crap was cleaned up off it; its a all in one system that also running hand gesture software *I don't have a clue why was just asked to get it back up and running from the CEO * It also has 8 gigs of ram LOL....

I'd most likely say flash is the issue.

 

[tortillasoup]

There is a setting in the Catalyst Control center for acceleration of internet video, make sure that the acceleration is enabled/working properly. As for HTML5 player being faster, I disagree. Flash, especially on an AMD, should be faster than HTML5 due to the acceleration features that AMD has built into their platforms.

 

[beginner99]

Anyways, I have internet radio playing in the background (64-bit Flash Player Plugin), and CPU usage is 44-54%.

There you have it. This could mean 1 core is used by flash player 100% and the same core/process is used for showing the right-click menu. Bay-Trail is probably just that little bit faster to make the difference.

Or it is what you said. Such usability issues are (and probably can't) be addressed in benchmarks.

Maybe try different browser? I don't know how multi-threaded Waterfox (or firefox) is.

 

[Abwx]

There you have it. This could mean 1 core is used by flash player 100% and the same core/process is used for showing the right-click menu. Bay-Trail is probably just that little bit faster to make the difference.

His BT is a 2.41GHz and the E1 is 1.4, despite 20-30% better IPC its frequency is too low to match the perfs of a 2.41 BT unless the GPU is used for hardware accelerations, one should think about such numbers before jumping to wild speculations about alleged 64bit compabilities and knowing that this chip is much more 64bit compatible than their BT counterparts, just look at AVX...

 

[coercitiv]

There's just this... lag... with the AMD Kabini rig. It's kind of annoying. I mean, right-clicking and waiting for the menu to pop up. It always takes like a second.

I've been using a Kabini 5350 rig as a HTPC, running on Win 8.1 64bit. No lag whatsoever in Firefox, even while copying files in the background via a gigabit connection or making Windows updates.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I cant figure out why your having such a problem with your Kabini cause I have one to for a media server, its the AMD 5350 and I dont notice any lag what so ever and I run like 20 different programs all at once including Flash player for things like Youtube HD and Flash games. The only thing I could think of is that you may need to update Catalyst to the latest version or do a Windows update or switch to a SSD from that slow Harddrive you using. It really will make a huge difference in performance.

 

[Cerb]

Anyways, I have internet radio playing in the background (64-bit Flash Player Plugin), and CPU usage is 44-54%.

Use Chrome or a Chrome-a-like. On my 4C8T Haswell, more than a couple active flash instances in any Firefox based browser makes the browser slow, even if just paused Youtube players. It's one of several reasons I don't just use one browser. I don't know whether it's a FF or Adobe Flash thing, but it can definitely be a problem.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Holy hell.. CPU usage is 44-54% for internet radio?? Then you have something wrong like malware or you may need to clear you cache or something. Try downloading Ccleaner and Adaware they are free and give them a quick run and then check back with us on how everything is running.There should be no reason your spiking at 44-54% running internet radio.. I only see like 5% cpu usage for something like that and thats with having Virus scanner running in the back ground.Even when I use My Raspberry Pi type of device MK908 I only get 15-20% cpu usage and thats by far a much weaker Arm core vs. your stronger X86 multicore.There is for sure something not right here.

 

[coercitiv]

Use Chrome or a Chrome-a-like. On my 4C8T Haswell, more than a couple active flash instances in any Firefox based browser makes the browser slow, even if just paused Youtube players. It's one of several reasons I don't just use one browser. I don't know whether it's a FF or Adobe Flash thing, but it can definitely be a problem.

I just opened 8 YouTube tabs, paused 4 and left 4 playing, opened one more video review on the Verge and then opened some new other plain HTML tabs: no problems whatsoever for Firefox running on a 4C8T Haswell.

Firefox may not be as fast as Chrome (and it does have some issues with flash player), but the OP has other problems than a slow browser or buggy 64bit CPU.

 

[tortillasoup]

Make sure you have the latest catalyst drivers!

Also enable demo mode in the Catalyst Control Center and choose "split screen mode", this will put a red line in the middle of screen, letting you know if the video card is accelerating video or not.

CCC -> Video -> Video settings -> Video Demo Mode.

I also found out that Steady Video / Other AMD Video acceleration doesn't work on Chrome as evidenced by testing with the Video Demo Mode in "Split Screen Mode". It does however work in Firefox nightly and Internet Explorer 11 but not in Chrome. Also the great thing about this "demo mode" is that I can now confirm that AMD does not accelerate video above 1080P as evidenced by the significantly increased CPU usage and the missing Red line in the middle of the video when in Demo Mode with Split Screen setting.

 

[jhu]

I have an e450 running Ubuntu. Works just fine here.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

His BT is a 2.41GHz and the E1 is 1.4, despite 20-30% better IPC its frequency is too low to match the perfs of a 2.41 BT unless the GPU is used for hardware accelerations, one should think about such numbers before jumping to wild speculations about alleged 64bit compabilities and knowing that this chip is much more 64bit compatible than their BT counterparts, just look at AVX...

Kabini is way more capable of running 64bit code then Brazos ever was. Among other things SSE(2/3/4) instructions now execute full speed, where on Brazos they execute over 2 cycles. Unfortunately, with AVX the 2 cycle penalty rears its head again. Effectively halving frequency when using AVX instructions.

If you have a Brazos system, I generally recommend running the x86 version of Windows/Linux.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Make sure you have the latest catalyst drivers!

I do.

Also enable demo mode in the Catalyst Control Center and choose "split screen mode", this will put a red line in the middle of screen, letting you know if the video card is accelerating video or not.

This isn't video, this is audio.

 

[VirtualLarry]

ugh flash player. where did you get e1-1200 is 1.0 its a 1.4.......flash will kill things faster than you know.......it makes most things sluggish; try to see if you can switch to html 5 player......

skype running the background shouldn't be too bad; its really not that bad of a system once all the spyware and crap was cleaned up off it; its a all in one system that also running hand gesture software *I don't have a clue why was just asked to get it back up and running from the CEO * It also has 8 gigs of ram LOL....

I'd most likely say flash is the issue.

This is a Gateway 19.5" AIO, that also came with Gesture software, and Sound Blaster Cinema audio processing.

No malware though, it was freshly re-formatted a week or so ago, then updated, then upgraded to Win8.1. Although I did just install Malwarebytes, and do a scan, just for kicks.

 

[pw257008]

His BT is a 2.41GHz and the E1 is 1.4, despite 20-30% better IPC its frequency is too low to match the perfs of a 2.41 BT unless the GPU is used for hardware accelerations, one should think about such numbers before jumping to wild speculations about alleged 64bit compabilities and knowing that this chip is much more 64bit compatible than their BT counterparts, just look at AVX...

Yep, I'd say this is it. Clockspeed pure and simple, despite Jaguar's higher IPC.

 

[tortillasoup]

I do.

This isn't video, this is audio.

I suggest trying the playback of video on youtube and monitor its performance. Check its cpu utilization and see how well something like 480p and 720p and 1080p playback.

Also one other thing I forgot to mention, make sure your audio quality is set to "good" and also you're not decoding at 48khz but at 44.1 khz instead. I'm sure what ever sound card you have has settings you can toggle that will let you adjust the quality of the audio. I found on my AMD A10 based laptop, if I used really high audio quality settings, the CPU utilization jumped from 3% to around 25%+.

 

[Abwx]

Kabini is way more capable of running 64bit code then Brazos ever was. Among other things SSE(2/3/4) instructions now execute full speed, where on Brazos they execute over 2 cycles. Unfortunately, with AVX the 2 cycle penalty rears its head again. Effectively halving frequency when using AVX instructions.

If you have a Brazos system, I generally recommend running the x86 version of Windows/Linux.

I wouldnt underestimate Brazos, it has 10-15% better integer IPC and 20% advantage for FP over Baytrail, while having a better GPU overall...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7314/intel-baytrail-preview-intel-atom-z3770-tested/2

Yep, I'd say this is it. Clockspeed pure and simple, despite Jaguar's higher IPC.

Actualy no, i realise that his BT 2C has about the same perfs as a 1.6 Brazos or eventualy a 1.4 2C Kabini while the latter has a GPU with hardware acceleration as well.

 

[Cerb]

I just opened 8 YouTube tabs, paused 4 and left 4 playing, opened one more video review on the Verge and then opened some new other plain HTML tabs: no problems whatsoever for Firefox running on a 4C8T Haswell.

Firefox may not be as fast as Chrome (and it does have some issues with flash player), but the OP has other problems than a slow browser or buggy 64bit CPU.

I can't say I have the same experience. Flash makes FF much less responsive, on my system, even when consuming little to no CPU, and will hog RAM like no tomorrow (that Youtube Player does NOT need 700MB, Adobe!). My experience is similar to MeldarthX's, I guess. Not using FF helps, because unrelated tabs don't get slowed down in Chrome/Chromium, and I think IE works the same way.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I can't say I have the same experience. Flash makes FF much less responsive, on my system, even when consuming little to no CPU, and will hog RAM like no tomorrow (that Youtube Player does NOT need 700MB, Adobe!). My experience is similar to MeldarthX's, I guess. Not using FF helps, because unrelated tabs don't get slowed down in Chrome/Chromium, and I think IE works the same way.

Try opening several Newegg.com product pages, with Flash Player installed in Waterfox, and without NoScript or FlashBlock installed.

plugin-container.exe (wrapper .exe for Flash Player plugin) will balloon out to 2.7GB of memory, real quick.

 

[pw257008]

Actualy no, i realise that his BT 2C has about the same perfs as a 1.6 Brazos or eventualy a 1.4 2C Kabini while the latter has a GPU with hardware acceleration as well.

?? If we assume 30% IPC improvement, 1.4*1.3=1.82. So even the N2830 base clock will be higher performing than the E1-2500.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

I wouldnt underestimate Brazos, it has 10-15% better integer IPC and 20% advantage for FP over Baytrail, while having a better GPU overall...

There we agree. My XPbox runs on a C-70/4GB memory (2C/2T@1.0-1.33GHz, GPU@276-400MHz). Its quite capable in fact. Old games fly on it (even Quake3 engine ones), and it doesn't use any power too (<15W).

But then, XP is a very light OS for anything semi-modern. Unfortunately there isn't driver support for Win2K, that could be fun...