Does Mass Effect 3 suck?

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Red Hawk

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Nope. I raged about the ending and uninstalled it back before EC was released. To hell with them. I'm not going to install the game and play through it again just to see yet another bullshit ending. There are plenty of other games to play without wasting my time with the series anymore. I've given them enough time and effort. They get no more.

So you're raging about how you "deserve effort to be made" yet you can't be bothered when the developers actually give that effort. Nice.
 

ThinClient

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So you're raging about how you "deserve effort to be made" yet you can't be bothered when the developers actually give that effort. Nice.

They gave their customers a middle finger with the initial release's ending, along with the day-one DLC that they charged extra for. Their hacked up alternate ending is a day late and a dollar short.

Don't even bother trying to paint me as unreasonable. I've given them more than enough chances and all they're interested in doing is being a bag of dicks.
 

Red Hawk

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They gave their customers a middle finger with the initial release's ending, along with the day-one DLC that they charged extra for. Their hacked up alternate ending is a day late and a dollar short.

Don't even bother trying to paint me as unreasonable. I've given them more than enough chances and all they're interested in doing is being a bag of dicks.

Fine, you have a reason to be irritated, I get it. You just aren't qualified to talk about the ending which now has the free Extended Cut until you, you know, actually play the ending with the Extended Cut.
 

TheVrolok

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Nope. I raged about the ending and uninstalled it back before EC was released. To hell with them. I'm not going to install the game and play through it again just to see yet another bullshit ending. There are plenty of other games to play without wasting my time with the series anymore. I've given them enough time and effort. They get no more.

Guess joke's on you then, I've only seen the EC ending and had absolutely no problem with it. I guess if you'd rather be frustrated than satisfied, that's on you.
 

Qbah

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Fine, you have a reason to be irritated, I get it. You just aren't qualified to talk about the ending which now has the free Extended Cut until you, you know, actually play the ending with the Extended Cut.

You're implying the EC changed much. It didn't. The outcome isn't as drastic as in the original ending, but the concept is the same! Absolutely nothing mattered in all of the games! Also, the whole "solution" is totally out of the blue. Let me guess - I should buy some DLC (Leviathan) that attempts to prepare me for the final moments by hinting what's to be encountered? One fucking DLC in all of 3 games? Just no! And it still won't matter anyway!

I played the whole original ME3 game with extreme enthusiasm. Remembering every single detail from all games and their DLC. And then I saw the original endings first. It's something I will never forget or forgive Bioware - this wasn't a game bug or not enough QA. It was something that was released on purpose!

Never again will I buy into anything from Bioware. Invest any sort of passion into their games. Because in the end they will just slap you in the face and laugh at you - "we made you care, but we don't, sucker!"
 
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darkewaffle

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I don't get the whole "no decisions made any difference" thing; like what do you want? A picture with a text overlay saying "And the Rachni helped too"? It's cheesy and unnecessary. Of course they contributed, it's explicitly stated in the game itself that they took part in building the Crucible and that they're being cautiously accepted by the other races. It doesn't need to be reiterated.

Each individual decision isn't important on a large scale, it's a war afterall. Nothing matters more than "how many bodies do you have", and your decisions either increase the number of people you can throw at the enemy or they don't. It's not romantic, but it is realistic. War assets depersonalizing "who" you have into "how many" you have isn't pretty or sweet, but it is real.
 
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PhatoseAlpha

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Ever seen the post-ending epilogues given in Fallout, Fallout 2 and Arcanum? Something along those lines would be nice.
 

PowerYoga

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EC ending is still lackluster but it does answer SOME questions in a very generic way.

Over all, it's still a "choice" of colors that YOU shouldn't have the choice of making. It still boils down to "SPACE MAGICKS" as the answer to all the questions. It's an "acceptable" ending I suppose, but only if you never saw the terrible original ending and see how they just slightly expanded on it.
 

Red Hawk

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You're implying the EC changed much. It didn't. The outcome isn't as drastic as in the original ending, but the concept is the same! Absolutely nothing mattered in all of the games! Also, the whole "solution" is totally out of the blue. Let me guess - I should buy some DLC (Leviathan) that attempts to prepare me for the final moments by hinting what's to be encountered? One fucking DLC in all of 3 games? Just no! And it still won't matter anyway!

I played the whole original ME3 game with extreme enthusiasm. Remembering every single detail from all games and their DLC. And then I saw the original endings first. It's something I will never forget or forgive Bioware - this wasn't a game bug or not enough QA. It was something that was released on purpose!

Never again will I buy into anything from Bioware. Invest any sort of passion into their games. Because in the end they will just slap you in the face and laugh at you - "we made you care, but we don't, sucker!"

Casey's "promise" of "16 different endings" ultimately proved untrue, but choices from previous games did effect the state of the galaxy at the end (or at least, was intended to). Sparing Wrex on Virmire, saving the Maelon's genophage research, and choosing whether or not to listen to the salarian Dalatross all effected the outcome of the events on Tuchanka (there is one outcome where, if Wrex is dead and Maelon's data was not saved, you can actually convince Mordin to not go up to the tower and instead join the Crucible project). Rewriting or destroying the geth Heretics and clearing the charges against Tali effect the outcome of the events on Rannoch. Saving Miranda's sister and giving her Alliance resources effects events on Sanctuary, saving the Rachni Queen and getting Grunt through his rite of passage effects events on Aralakh, helping Jack work through her issues effects events at Grissom Academy, etc., etc.


They don't all necessarily tie into the ending, and the fact that none of the specific "war assets" really tie into cinematics or gameplay in the final battle is a lamentable missed opportunity. But the circumstances of the galaxy are different in various ways by the end, depending on your choices, and this is reflected in the slides shown during the Extended Cut ending.


(of course, a lot of this is fundamentally undone by the mass relays being destroyed. Which is why I am glad they weren't destroyed in the Extended Cut).

Let the mindless fanboys defend their lover, Qbah.

Right, I'm mindless because I was one of the fans calling for BioWare to do something to "fix" the ending, I still think there are thematic problems with the ending even with the extended cut, and I criticize BioWare for keeping an important plot point for DLC rather than actually putting it in the game. There's a difference between "disagreeing on a specific point" and "mindless defending something from all criticism".
 

Qbah

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Right, I'm mindless because I was one of the fans calling for BioWare to do something to "fix" the ending, I still think there are thematic problems with the ending even with the extended cut, and I criticize BioWare for keeping an important plot point for DLC rather than actually putting it in the game. There's a difference between "disagreeing on a specific point" and "mindless defending something from all criticism".

You could have at least blanked out the biggest spoiler in your personal long quoted post Again, some people accepted the (extended) ending, for me it didn't change anything. Space magic pretty much sums it up. With your previous decisions having no impact on which button you can press or what happens when you press each button.
 

AstroManLuca

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Ever seen the post-ending epilogues given in Fallout, Fallout 2 and Arcanum? Something along those lines would be nice.

Yeah, I loved those. Fallout 3 was really disappointing to me, the final decision made no sense and there were only a small number of different possible ending narrations. In Fallout 1 and 2, they actually gave epilogues for the side quests as well, not just the main quest. I was really happy that New Vegas went back to giving ending narration for the various towns you visited.
 

ThinClient

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I don't get the whole "no decisions made any difference" thing; like what do you want? A picture with a text overlay saying "And the Rachni helped too"? It's cheesy and unnecessary. Of course they contributed, it's explicitly stated in the game itself that they took part in building the Crucible and that they're being cautiously accepted by the other races. It doesn't need to be reiterated.

Each individual decision isn't important on a large scale, it's a war afterall. Nothing matters more than "how many bodies do you have", and your decisions either increase the number of people you can throw at the enemy or they don't. It's not romantic, but it is realistic. War assets depersonalizing "who" you have into "how many" you have isn't pretty or sweet, but it is real.

No, I want a story that says what happened to them. Did I kill them all off or did I help them survive? I want to see that decision reflected in the story telling that occurs when the game is over.

Fallout did it, why can't a bigger game series like Mass Effect do it? Because they're fucking assholes, that's why.
 

ThinClient

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Right, I'm mindless because I was one of the fans calling for BioWare to do something to "fix" the ending, I still think there are thematic problems with the ending even with the extended cut, and I criticize BioWare for keeping an important plot point for DLC rather than actually putting it in the game. There's a difference between "disagreeing on a specific point" and "mindless defending something from all criticism".

No, you're a mindless fanboy because you dismiss my opinion because it doesn't match yours.
 

Red Hawk

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No, you're a mindless fanboy because you dismiss my opinion because it doesn't match yours.

I didn't just "dismiss" it, I provided a reason for my view much earlier in the thread and you didn't address any of the points I made, and it wasn't because your opinion "didn't match" mine, I established that you didn't have much credibility on the topic of the ending because you haven't actually played the ending with the extended cut. If you come back after playing it, then maybe your statements will hold some weight.
 

ThinClient

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I didn't just "dismiss" it, I provided a reason for my view much earlier in the thread and you didn't address any of the points I made, and it wasn't because your opinion "didn't match" mine, I established that you didn't have much credibility on the topic of the ending because you haven't actually played the ending with the extended cut. If you come back after playing it, then maybe your statements will hold some weight.

I didn't address the points you made because I didn't read the points you made. I still have yet to care about the points you've made. I made my own points. I spent $120 and played these games spanning years making careful, thought-out decisions and replaying major portions of the game over and over to get it just right so that the ending to this incredible series would be exactly how I wanted it to be and they just didn't give a shit. They just pissed the ending into the wind.

Combined with stupid changes like the (admittedly pedantic) ammo change in ME2 and the (seriously flawed) day-one money-grubbing DLC in ME3, the OEM ending in ME3 was the straw that broke the camel's back.

They don't deserve my money or my effort anymore. I don't care if they DO eventually go back and fix the ending to include non-horse-shit scenes and actually take the time to include a customized ending based on the choices I made. I will never install any games from the series ever again. I will never give the series another dime or another single second of effort to play them.

I don't really care whether you appreciate my point of view or not, either.
 

Red Hawk

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I didn't address the points you made because I didn't read the points you made. I still have yet to care about the points you've made. I made my own points. I spent $120 and played these games spanning years making careful, thought-out decisions and replaying major portions of the game over and over to get it just right so that the ending to this incredible series would be exactly how I wanted it to be and they just didn't give a shit. They just pissed the ending into the wind.

Combined with stupid changes like the (admittedly pedantic) ammo change in ME2 and the (seriously flawed) day-one money-grubbing DLC in ME3, the OEM ending in ME3 was the straw that broke the camel's back.

They don't deserve my money or my effort anymore. I don't care if they DO eventually go back and fix the ending to include non-horse-shit scenes and actually take the time to include a customized ending based on the choices I made. I will never install any games from the series ever again. I will never give the series another dime or another single second of effort to play them.

I don't really care whether you appreciate my point of view or not, either.

And I acknowledge that you have plenty of reason to be angry with BioWare for how they handled the game. The business practices and overall game mechanics are separate issues from the current quality of the ending, though. The only thing you said that I really took issue with was "absolutely every choice you ever make throughout the entire series has zero impact and means nothing in the end, ultimately". With the Extended Cut, it's just not true anymore. You are wrong if you continue to propagate that view without the disclaimer that you have never actually played the Extended Cut.
 

Red Hawk

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At the very least, it's not spewing blood all over the rest of the body anymore.
 

Qbah

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ThinClient, I'd say watch it on youtube. Plenty of uploads there for the whole extended cut.
 

MeldarthX

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At the very least, it's not spewing blood all over the rest of the body anymore.

It still is - for a lot -

Yea I'm lurker forever but - the biggest issue for most I was part of retake ME - hold the line......we were flat out lied to by Casey.

He said; that all our decisions through out the 3 games would effect the ending; that our choices mattered.....honestly they didn't when they came to the ending.

The sad part is - the rest of the game is pretty damn awesome; there are issues of course but they can be overlooked in just how well the game story goes......until the ending. I picked Destroy as the ending got the easter egg of Shep breathing......

Watched the others and went WTF?!?! they are the same damn thing - they were with just different colors. The ending was so bad.

*Now I'm talking about the original* EC all it does is kinda band aids things....its still WTF just happened?? what is this little boy. They did a duex machina ending. It was a slap in the face to their loyal fans. They have perfect outs with ID...

Even if that wasn't their intention they could to taken it - ran with it and yes would of easily repaired the damage they did to their name. Which was massive. Before ME3 ending - Bioware still was looked as golden child of the industry. They had only one blip - DA2 - that was more due to EA than Bioware...

No - ME3's ending was down to one man; Casey and his igo. Bioware went from doing no wrong to just meh in my opinion.

Also day 1 dlc was also kind of a kick to the balls - ripping out a major plot item to sell - but that's EA......
 
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