AMDScooter
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Do we know if Ryzen's memory controller will accept OC RAM? (The reason I am asking is because quad channel DDR3 1600 has the same memory bandwidth as dual channel DDR4 3200, but with tighter timings)
Is there really a significant memory bandwidth difference between quad ddr3 and dual ddr4?
http://www.corsair.com/en-us/blog/2015/september/ddr3_vs_ddr4_generational
Good article, thanks for the link!Some gaming results from pcgameshardware comparing Ryzen 1800x vs. i7-3960X @ stock clocks (which is the same as Xeon E5-1660):
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Ryzen-7-1800X-CPU-265804/Tests/Test-Review-1222033/
i7-3960X @ stock clocks wins 4 out of 7 games.
So Sandy Bridge-E (and by extension Xeon E5) did surprisingly well. Also consider the Sandy Bridge-E is only a 6C/12T while the Ryzen 1800X is 8C/16T.
P.S. Xeon E5-1650 is only 100 Mhz slower in base clock and turbo compared to i7-3960X and Xeon E5-1660.
I spent some time looking at Ebay/NewEgg/Amazon and came away with the picture of the 2011/X79 chipset based motherboards being in the $200+ range even used ! I'm open minded and looking for a nice cheap way into more cores/CPU Performance but it looks difficult in a pure play value proposition to compare older Intel HEDT chips. I think my itch will need to wait till April 11 to get more definitive answers... and for now, I am more than happy with my i5-7500 .... it does not hurt to fantasize about a mini-ITX Ryzen 4/6 core machine though!Some gaming results from pcgameshardware comparing Ryzen 1800x vs. i7-3960X @ stock clocks (which is the same as Xeon E5-1660):
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Ryzen-7-1800X-CPU-265804/Tests/Test-Review-1222033/
i7-3960X @ stock clocks wins 4 out of 7 games.
So Sandy Bridge-E (and by extension Xeon E5) did surprisingly well. Also consider the Sandy Bridge-E is only a 6C/12T while the Ryzen 1800X is 8C/16T.
P.S. Xeon E5-1650 is only 100 Mhz slower in base clock and turbo compared to i7-3960X and Xeon E5-1660.
Would this refub PC be what you are referring to? The E5 1650 along with mobo/case and even Win 10 Pro for less than $400
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAC0F5DU5633
$389.99 free shipping for HP Z420, E5-1650, 8GB RAM, 250GB HDD, Windows 10 Pro and some kind of low end WS Video card is pretty typical.
P.S. I got my HP Z420 (Mint condition) with E5-1607, 8GB RAM, 250GB HDD, Windows 10 Pro and low end Video card for $209 shipped from a Microsoft Authorized Refurbisher on clearance sale......so a person looking hard might be able to do better.
thepaleopicker said:it does not hurt to fantasize about a mini-ITX Ryzen 4/6 core machine though!
Ryzen made anything but e5 v3-v4 ES irrelevant. Seriously, they will even make a bank of those moralists that wont touch an ES even if its a 2699 v3 at 50 bucks. Its really a win win for them.
Now if we had 2P am4 boards, THAT would put the final nail in the cheapo e5 build coffin
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Ps: even 1x1700 is stronger than 2x 2670s v1 and probably v2 too. Its no contest really. And you can run that 1700 even on a a320 board. The whole value proposition of v1 and v2 2xe5 xeons got demolished. Only those having an agenda and the very owners that dont want the remaining value in their already built 2xE5 v1-v2 builds would advice for these setups anymore.
When all the big names will get rid of their v3s for cheap we can talk again about intel being back in the cheapo workstation builds again.
Thank you, this is what I had in mind as well : the demolition of the "value proposition" of older Xeons and HEDT systems. I think you put it way more succinctly thank I did in my OP
8GB of 2133Mhz ECC REG DDR4 for 25€
xeon 1650v3 ES for 150€
You're comparing an illegally sold (and illegally bought, though they will never come after you), potentially buggy and leaky chip that may have been used for accelerated aging testing or similar, to a legitimate stable production platform. There's a reason the ES chips are so cheap and the retail release V3 xeons aren't. I wouldn't use an ES Xeon for anything of any importance.
Registered memory won't run in normal X99 motherboard, you need a server board specifically designed for Reg. DIMMs. That's why they are so cheap...
You're comparing an illegally sold (and illegally bought, though they will never come after you), potentially buggy and leaky chip that may have been used for accelerated aging testing or similar, to a legitimate stable production platform. There's a reason the ES chips are so cheap and the retail release V3 xeons aren't. I wouldn't use an ES Xeon for anything of any importance.
I didn't have the opportunity but that's basically fact. Registered and unregistered (normal) DIMMs are very different an incompatible. A CPU's memory controller can perfectly support both, but a motherboard can't, it has to be wired for one or the other, and only server boards are made for RDIMM.Did you ever try or do you repeat something you read somewhere ?
I didn't have the opportunity but that's basically fact. Registered and unregistered (normal) DIMMs are very different an incompatible. A CPU's memory controller can perfectly support both, but a motherboard can't, it has to be wired for one or the other, and only server boards are made for RDIMM.
I guess do the googling if you don't believe me. I recommend you do before you try to buy them.
You're comparing an illegally sold (and illegally bought, though they will never come after you), potentially buggy and leaky chip that may have been used for accelerated aging testing or similar, to a legitimate stable production platform. There's a reason the ES chips are so cheap and the retail release V3 xeons aren't. I wouldn't use an ES Xeon for anything of any importance.
Some gaming results from pcgameshardware comparing Ryzen 1800x vs. i7-3960X @ stock clocks (which is the same as Xeon E5-1660):
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Ryzen-7-1800X-CPU-265804/Tests/Test-Review-1222033/
i7-3960X @ stock clocks wins 4 out of 7 games.
So Sandy Bridge-E (and by extension Xeon E5) did surprisingly well. Also consider the Sandy Bridge-E is only a 6C/12T while the Ryzen 1800X is 8C/16T.
P.S. Xeon E5-1650 is only 100 Mhz slower in base clock and turbo compared to i7-3960X and Xeon E5-1660.
Ok, here are the moralists PPB was talking about Then you have to add 200€ to get a production xeon, making the platform cost 470€. That's really not a good value compared with the ryzen. Let's check that thread in 2020 to see if there is still hope for the xeons
Otherwise the comparison is a bit.... flawed...
also...it comes with that uh, huge security risk and/or performance hit from patching Meltdown. ....so there's that.
I don't think the "unofficial consumer Xeon DIY PC builds" is about "on sale" deals... but about what is possible to achieve with the retired xeons coming out cheap.
I am waiting for your comments and any links with good benchmarks.
Here is an interesting video with real world comparison between a Ryzen 5 1600 and a Xeon e5-1650. Both run games smoothly, being only limited by GPU.
Xeon E5-1650 vs Ryzen 5 1600 in GTA V, PUBG, Resident evil 7,etc... Stock clock and OC
Shopping for the xeon platform today on aliexpress:
xeon 1650 110€
2*4 gb ECC DDR3 25€
Huanan x79 90€ (V2.49 with m2)
Total 225€
Compared to the ryzen platform:
Ryzen 5 1600 150€ (used)
AM4 MB for 90€
8GB of 2666Mhz DDR4 for 80€
Total 320€
That's a 100€ difference with widely available deals. 155€ more for the Ryzen platform if you want 16GB of RAM. As we have yet to see games using 6 cores and singe core performance is increasing so slowly, I feel like Ryzen has not yet killed the retired xeon market
Yes, I misunderstood your objection, sorry for that. I personally would try an ES but I understand it's not proper to compare with. That's why I moved to the Ryzen 5 1600 vs. Xeon E5 1650.No, you're misunderstanding the objection. The objection is that you shouldn't compare a product that isn't meant for retail, an engineering sample (if I understand nomenclature correctly), with a retail product.