Does the national debt worry you?

[SlowSpyder]

You'll deny any fact. Any reality to maintain your belief system.
You believe a handful of black people who are disagreed with by 99% of other blacks because it fits your world view.
You'll believe the statistics on terrorism are fake news because it requires you to change your world view.
You have a religion there, spidey. And it's as cultish as any other.
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When I search that image all I get are foreign sites and a handful of Twitter posts. Where is it from? The image itself says the ADL, which according to wiki is a Jewish Civil Rights group. Go figure, they say there is more hate from the far right. When I search for the Tucker Carlson part, all I get are those same foreign sites and those same Twitter users. (Same when searched with Daily Caller News Foundation)

I am not convinced that this image shares truthful information. Maybe it does, but so far all I have seen is that a group (likely made up of left leaning people...) that is likely biased when it comes to "right terror" says right terror is everywhere.

Start at about 3:55 (or watch the whole thing, she really crushes them brilliantly). What do you say about that? No offense, but I tend to believe her a lot more than I believe you.

 

[ElFenix]

you had to look up what the ADL was?

 

[brycejones]

you had to look up what the ADL was?

Lol, comrade slow outed himself again.

 

[nickqt]

You're welcome. If you wan't a more detailed explanation please feel free to google it.

You mean the TARP funds that were paid back (technically I believe the government turned a profit)? Seems hard to compare that to student loans at 1.5T (I believe TARP was actually closer to 0.5T), they didn't just hand out free money (think of it like student loans, if the loans were paid back).

With that being said, I don't really support either program. I do support no longer guaranteeing student loans, which will hopefully mean that fewer students qualify, and will drag down the cost of college. I also support using my tax dollars to help pay for community college or some other form of relatively low cost post-secondary schooling.

Do I want to pay for people that took out 100k in loans so they could get a basket weaving degree and a sweet $15/hour job at starbucks? No, I really don't (and several of them are friends). That was a shitty decision, but it's their decision.

Lets just keep going.

When trillions of dollars were given to banks. Before they were "paid back"...how devalued did our currency become?

See how you aren't able to just say, oh, yeah, it wasn't devalued.

It'd be just the same way. And that money that would be given out to cancel student loans, would go right back into bank coffers. In fact, it would go straight into bank coffers.

But you can keep finding ways to not answer the question, it's all good.

 

[Amused]

When I search that image all I get are foreign sites and a handful of Twitter posts. Where is it from? The image itself says the ADL, which according to wiki is a Jewish Civil Rights group. Go figure, they say there is more hate from the far right. When I search for the Tucker Carlson part, all I get are those same foreign sites and those same Twitter users. (Same when searched with Daily Caller News Foundation)

I am not convinced that this image shares truthful information. Maybe it does, but so far all I have seen is that a group (likely made up of left leaning people...) that is likely biased when it comes to "right terror" says right terror is everywhere.

Start at about 3:55 (or watch the whole thing, she really crushes them brilliantly). What do you say about that? No offense, but I tend to believe her a lot more than I believe you.

You do realize Candice Owens is bought and paid for and believes NONE of what she says, right?

How do I know? In 2008 Candice Owens sued her high school school district for racial discrimination, and won.

Amazing for a person that says racial discrimination does not exist, right???

This money financed her college (dropout).

She then went to work for left wing causes and got kicked out for doxxing people and being just horrible person in general. From there, she ran to the right wing to be the one black person they can prop up and say what 99.999% of her fellow black people wholeheartedly disagree with.

She's a giant cherry for the right wing to pick. And you fell for it. Duped, hook line and sinker.

You are to racism what anti-vaxxers are to medicine. You deny the consensus and OBVIOUS experience stories of MILLIONS of black americans to preserve your world view.

You're delusional.

 

[SlowSpyder]

you had to look up what the ADL was?

Lol, comrade slow outed himself again.

I've heard of them but did not know that detail. They sound like another Southern Poverty Law Center type. So that's great guys, now that we've gotten that out of the way, anyone care to address the meat of the post? Can we get documentation on the dots on that map that represent different terror attacks? If not I'd say at best his picture that says right wing terror is up has no more credibility than my video saying it is not. But, at least with my video, there is no reason for an African American woman to lie about this, on the other hand I'd say there is likely bias when a group like the ADL discusses right wing terror.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You do realize Candice Owens is bought and paid for and believes NONE of what she says, right?

How do I know? In 2008 Candice Owens sued her high school school district for racial discrimination, and won.

Amazing for a person that says racial discrimination does not exist, right???

This money financed her college (dropout).

She then went to work for left wing causes and got kicked out for doxxing people and being just horrible person in general. From there, she ran to the right wing to be the one black person they can prop up and say what 99.999% of her fellow black people wholeheartedly disagree with.

She's a giant cherry for the right wing to pick. And you fell for it. Duped, hook line and sinker.

You are to racism what anti-vaxxers are to medicine. You deny the consensus and OBVIOUS experience stories of MILLIONS of black americans to preserve your world view.

You're delusional.

Do you have any detail on the lawsuit? I ask because that is news to me, but I do know she was a victim of a hate crime and my guess is this would be related to that, but I don't know.

I'm not at all shocked she bought into the victimization bullshit the left peddles today. I did too for a while. Then, as it sounds with her, I was also able to see how things really are and opened my eyes to how the left actually is. Race baiting, manufacturing racism at every chance, for censorship and quieting speech they don't agree with, attack equality and fight for privilege for some and inequality for others, etc. Sounds like she clearly sees how Democrats hold African Americans back, as I do. You should have taken the red pill.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I found it. Sounds like she opened her eyes, like I did and mention just above. Super smart, very attractive conservative African American woman. No wonder liberals don't know how to handle her.


https://www.ctpost.com/politics/article/Candace-Owens-from-Stamford-High-victim-to-13230541.php

“They started off by telling me that they were going to kill me ‘just because’ I was black,” Owens wrote in a 2016 op-ed published in Hearst Connecticut Media. “They warned me that if they found me at home, they were going to unload a bullet into the back of my head.”

Owens told the principal and the story spread quickly to state and national media, especially when Malloy acknowledged that his son was in the car.

The NAACP held press conferences with Owens. Police and FBI investigated the incident and one seventeen-year-old boy, who Owens says was a friend of hers, was arrested.

Owens’s family sued the Stamford Board of Education for failing to protect her and won a $37,500 settlement.

“If I was a leftist or if I was a true Democrat, I would relish in victimhood. I would love that. I would say I’m black, I’m a woman, I can’t do anything and it’s all your fault. That situation in high school would be the pinnacle of my life,” she said. “But I hated it. I cowed away from it. It ate me alive because I felt there was permanence in what was said about me.”

 

[Amused]

I found it. Sounds like she opened her eyes, like I did and mention just above. Super smart, very attractive conservative African American woman. No wonder liberals don't know how to handle her.


https://www.ctpost.com/politics/article/Candace-Owens-from-Stamford-High-victim-to-13230541.php

She is very easy to handle. She is ignored and dismissed for what she is. A bought and paid for mouthpeice who does NOT speak for 99.999% of the American black population who all wholeheartedly disagree with her.

She's a picked cherry. A lackey.

And just like an anti-vaxxer falling for Wakefield, you're falling for the ONE black person the GOP could find to say racism doesn't exist.

Even though the scientific consensus of thousands of studies proves it does. Not to mention the experience of virtually every black person in America not bought and paid for by the GOP.

But keep clinging to that picked cherry, Spidey. We know you have your denial to cling to to preserve your closeted white supremacist beliefs.

There is only two ways this shakes out, either you believe blacks in America are inferior, or they are being held back by systemic racism. We know which one you believe.

And this is the narrative of the GOP. White supremacism.

Why, just recently Fox News, the official propaganda outlet of the GOP was pushing a racist white supremacist conspiracy theory as fact:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...dYFNqMmon0w-zCWErv6y-rodlSceM6L_N6M3AGfSA3BNM

Your party is catering to white supremacists and you're all in. So either you know, and buy it, or you're too stupid to realize the implication of your world view.

 

[Jhhnn]

Do you have any detail on the lawsuit? I ask because that is news to me, but I do know she was a victim of a hate crime and my guess is this would be related to that, but I don't know.

I'm not at all shocked she bought into the victimization bullshit the left peddles today. I did too for a while. Then, as it sounds with her, I was also able to see how things really are and opened my eyes to how the left actually is. Race baiting, manufacturing racism at every chance, for censorship and quieting speech they don't agree with, attack equality and fight for privilege for some and inequality for others, etc. Sounds like she clearly sees how Democrats hold African Americans back, as I do. You should have taken the red pill.

Heh. She a hired PR person trying to find her liar's niche. She's like Trump, playing conservatives for chumps-

https://newsone.com/3848636/candace-owens-fraudulent/

I'll bet she makes more money at it than you ever will.

Google "candace owens discrimination lawsuit" for more.

You're getting as far away from the topic at hand as possible, huh? Meanwhile, The world's richest people are looting the Treasury for fun & profit. It's not just our own rich, either, given that 1/3 of American equities are foreign owned. They got a tax cut, too. Maybe we can beat the difference out of the hides of American consumers with tariffs, huh?

 

[Wuzup101]

Lets just keep going.

When trillions of dollars were given to banks. Before they were "paid back"...how devalued did our currency become?

See how you aren't able to just say, oh, yeah, it wasn't devalued.

It'd be just the same way. And that money that would be given out to cancel student loans, would go right back into bank coffers. In fact, it would go straight into bank coffers.

But you can keep finding ways to not answer the question, it's all good.

That's my point. Trillions of dollars were not "given" to the banks as you are suggesting. Inflation wasn't crazy during this period, but again the "loans" (I use quotes because "help" was given in various forms, including the government taking over fanny/Freddie/AIG). The scope of what you are proposing: printing money to just give / forgive 1.5T in student loans, is not nearly the same as what went on during the bail out.

Please don't take this the wrong way, I think lots of bankers should have been arrested / jailed for what they did to absolutely ruin the economy during that period. But my point is the recovery effort actually had a pretty positive impact and tax payers came out ahead. I disagree with the idea of "too big to fail," but the US economy failing would surely have hurt a hell of a lot of people.

 

[IronWing]

Great economics 101 textbook answer.

How devalued did our currency become after multiple trillions were used to bail out banks in 2008?

That really was a special case. The banks were already over leveraged and deleveraging like mad so the overall money supply wasn't growing in proportion to the scale of the bailout. That was one argument for spending even more back then. Pumping up the money supply now would likely have a different effect. Though if we were combine student loan forgiveness with restoring taxes on the wealthy, we could cancel out any inflationary pressure.

 

[Maxima1]

There is only two ways this shakes out, either you believe blacks in America are inferior, or they are being held back by systemic racism. We know which one you believe.

That's a false dichotomy. If you truly believe those are the only explanations, you would have to explain why certain subgroups do better than others. You certainly don't believe Jews are being held back by systemic racism, and you certainly don't believe they are geneticially superior to anyone else, so what is it?

 

[WackyDan]

I think the US debt is "fine" as long as the US is the biggest economy, biggest trade partner, most influencal on the world stage and last but not least has the biggest guns.
Everything Trump has done uptil now is eroding on those parameters.
No your debt is not fine. We should all worry. Someone is edging away at the world economy.

True... As long as the US Dollar is the world's reserve currency and as long as the petrol dollar is based on the US Dollar then we can spend what ever the fuck we want for the most part. They love to plat that polarizing democrat and republican debt thing against us, but none of them reduced the deficit - It's even largely argued that Clinton never actually balanced the budget due to all the fucked up accounting the gov't does... Sure he might have been close.

The question is whether or not we stop being the default petrol dollar and world's reserve currency... Then things get interesting.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Heh. She a hired PR person trying to find her liar's niche. She's like Trump, playing conservatives for chumps-

https://newsone.com/3848636/candace-owens-fraudulent/

I'll bet she makes more money at it than you ever will.

Google "candace owens discrimination lawsuit" for more.

You're getting as far away from the topic at hand as possible, huh? Meanwhile, The world's richest people are looting the Treasury for fun & profit. It's not just our own rich, either, given that 1/3 of American equities are foreign owned. They got a tax cut, too. Maybe we can beat the difference out of the hides of American consumers with tariffs, huh?

You guys said the same about me not all that long ago. I am not a troll, I am not a Russian, I am not a liar.

Also, I'm not the one that pulled this topic off course.

 

[Jhhnn]

That's a false dichotomy. If you truly believe those are the only explanations, you would have to explain why certain subgroups do better than others. You certainly don't believe Jews are being held back by systemic racism, and you certainly don't believe they are geneticially superior to anyone else, so what is it?

Falsity on your part. America's attitude toward Jews changed enormously in the wake of WW2. They also kinda passed for White even before that. They were never held as slaves, either, on account of their race.

 

[Maxima1]

Falsity on your part. America's attitude toward Jews changed enormously in the wake of WW2. They also kinda passed for White even before that.

They should be just like general white population then, but they aren't. Why?

 

[Jhhnn]

They should be just like general white population then, but they aren't. Why?

So what? It's totally off topic & diversional from the top down class warfare looting spree enabled by the GOP over the last 40 years.

 

[nickqt]

That's my point. Trillions of dollars were not "given" to the banks as you are suggesting. Inflation wasn't crazy during this period, but again the "loans" (I use quotes because "help" was given in various forms, including the government taking over fanny/Freddie/AIG). The scope of what you are proposing: printing money to just give / forgive 1.5T in student loans, is not nearly the same as what went on during the bail out.

Please don't take this the wrong way, I think lots of bankers should have been arrested / jailed for what they did to absolutely ruin the economy during that period. But my point is the recovery effort actually had a pretty positive impact and tax payers came out ahead. I disagree with the idea of "too big to fail," but the US economy failing would surely have hurt a hell of a lot of people.

Let me ask, yet again.

After trillions of dollars were given to banks, in however you want to measure it. How much was currency devalued? You bring up inflation. What's the inflation rate been averaging, the, uh, last 20 years of close-to-TRILLION dollar deficits?

What's the difference between the government running a trillion dollars in deficit over 2 years, and the government creating a deficit of a trillion dollars over a few years to pay off student loans? How come one isn't devaluing currency, yet the other one has to, because economics 101 textbook?

That really was a special case. The banks were already over leveraged and deleveraging like mad so the overall money supply wasn't growing in proportion to the scale of the bailout. That was one argument for spending even more back then. Pumping up the money supply now would likely have a different effect. Though if we were combine student loan forgiveness with restoring taxes on the wealthy, we could cancel out any inflationary pressure.

What is the current inflation rate?

How would handing money over to BANKS to cancel student loans, cause runaway inflation? Why hasn't the trillions in deficits over the past 20 years caused runaway inflation?

What do you think the inflation rate is going to go to if student loan debt was paid by the government over 5 years?

How would this 1.5 T "bailout" of students not be a stimulus that directly helps millions of people, helps out banks?

Is there some argument that if 1.5 T were used to deleverage millions of individuals, wouldn't cause an increase in the economy by tens/hundreds of billions a year starting immediately and essentially continuing indefinitely as individuals aren't paying hundreds/thousands a year on a piece of paper?

I mean, sure, you can recite an economics textbook answer or whatever, but..what is the inflation rate? What was it after trillions were given to banks? What is the inflation rate even though the government is basically running a trillion dollar deficit (printing money with no revenue) on average every 2 years?

Why is paying off 1.5T in student loan debt some kind of special deficit that wouldn't work the same exact way the 1.5T deficits created on average every 2 years, over the past 20 years, have worked?