Does the psu really matter?

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robertk2012

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Good luck! If your running a low power celeron you could probably run the system off a hampster and a wheel. Try putting any of your crap PSU in any of my systems and you would probably get to watch a fireworks display.

You even said your rails arent exactly steady. Think that is good for your components? What about if you had a bit of a power surge in your home? Think that ultra would keep on chugging? Why risk all of your components and stability to save just a few $'s. Very few.
 

robertk2012

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Good luck! If your running a low power celeron you could probably run the system off a hampster and a wheel. Try putting any of your crap PSU in any of my systems and you would probably get to watch a fireworks display.

You even said your rails arent exactly steady. Think that is good for your components? What about if you had a bit of a power surge in your home? Think that ultra would keep on chugging? Why risk all of your components and stability to save just a few $'s. Very few.
 

robertk2012

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Dec 14, 2004
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Good luck! If your running a low power celeron you could probably run the system off a hampster and a wheel. Try putting any of your crap PSU in any of my systems and you would probably get to watch a fireworks display.

You even said your rails arent exactly steady. Think that is good for your components? What about if you had a bit of a power surge in your home? Think that ultra would keep on chugging? Why risk all of your components and stability to save just a few $'s. Very few.
 

robertk2012

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Dec 14, 2004
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Good luck! If your running a low power celeron you could probably run the system off a hampster and a wheel. Try putting any of your crap PSU in any of my systems and you would probably get to watch a fireworks display.

You even said your rails arent exactly steady. Think that is good for your components? What about if you had a bit of a power surge in your home? Think that ultra would keep on chugging? Why risk all of your components and stability to save just a few $'s. Very few.
 

robertk2012

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Dec 14, 2004
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Good luck! If your running a low power celeron you could probably run the system off a hampster and a wheel. Try putting any of your crap PSU in any of my systems and you would probably get to watch a fireworks display.

You even said your rails arent exactly steady. Think that is good for your components? What about if you had a bit of a power surge in your home? Think that ultra would keep on chugging? Why risk all of your components and stability to save just a few $'s. Very few.
 

robertk2012

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Dec 14, 2004
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Good luck! If your running a low power celeron you could probably run the system off a hampster and a wheel. Try putting any of your crap PSU in any of my systems and you would probably get to watch a fireworks display.

You even said your rails arent exactly steady. Think that is good for your components? What about if you had a bit of a power surge in your home? Think that ultra would keep on chugging? Why risk all of your components and stability to save just a few $'s. Very few.
 

Painman

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Depends what you're building.

A $500 PC that will mostly surf? A $1000 PC that will attempt to game with some decent levels of detail?

I paid too much for my stuff to trust it to a $20 PSU. I trust it to an $80 PSU. Which, along with a solid warranty and proven power rating, also has plentiful, lengthy, fully loomed cables, and is QUIET as hell. A TX650W isn't much of a PSU to brag about. It's just a solid, reliable, well constructed unit for what you pay, and I draw enough wattage to give a damn about where it's coming from.

A $20 PSU might do fine in a web-surfing shitbox. I don't choose PSUs in order to get thumbs-up from my online "buddies". I choose them according to what's going to get the job done while not requiring me to worry about them blowing up and frying my multi-hundred dollar components.
 

robertk2012

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Im really sorry. Not really sure what happened. The guy before me double posted and as you can see Im never one to be outdone.

LOL I missed page two also the first time I counted.
 

frostedflakes

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LMAO...

Anyway, if you want to see how bad a cheap PSU can screw things up, just take a look at some of the torture tests Jonny Guru does. With the right equipment, you can see how poorly some of these units perform.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story2&reid=123
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=71

Granted, your average cheap PSU probably isn't nearly this bad, but point is that the PSU is certainly something you should be conscious of. And I'm not saying you need to go out and spend $150-200 on a Tier 1 or 2 unit, but you can get a decent PSU for like $40-50. IMO it would be a good investment.
 

BTA

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No it really doesn't matter for the majority of people.

Most common problems are usually that the power supply itself dies and needs replacing.
 

lxskllr

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A good PSU is cheap insurance. For less than $100 you can be reasonably certain you won't lose components due to a PSU going up. If you keep your eyes open, a good PSU can be had for about $50.
 

RaiderJ

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I really like HardOCP's PSU reviews. They do all kinds of tests for output quality which you don't see too often. $20 or $80 supply, it needs to put out quality power.

Personally I put all my machines behind an UPS. I'd rather fry the UPS before my PSU or PC. Then you just hope the PSU doesn't burn up everything else if it happens to die.
 

Maximilian

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Good luck! If your running a low power celeron you could probably run the system off a hampster and a wheel. Try putting any of your crap PSU in any of my systems and you would probably get to watch a fireworks display.

You even said your rails arent exactly steady. Think that is good for your components? What about if you had a bit of a power surge in your home? Think that ultra would keep on chugging? Why risk all of your components and stability to save just a few $'s. Very few.

I think he gets the point robert :/
 

In2Photos

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The rig in my sig is the first one that I have used something more than a "cheap" power supply. I got the Corsair 650tx based on the recommendations here and the ratings at the Egg. Have I noticed that it performs better? No, not at all. But I can't hear the thing either! Every other PSU I have owned is loud. This thing is completely inaudible and I love it! I'm in the process of configuring another build, a HTPC, and will be using another Corsair for that based on my experience with this one.
 

NesuD

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to see if there was an actual reason why ppl promote really expensive power supplies besides knowing that they own one. Does it actually cause problems?

Component quality and reliability aside There are a couple of things known as spikes and sags. Both can greatly affect the proper function of electronics. Sometimes spikes and sags are external and can wreak havoc with a cheap power supply thereby putting your computer at risk of damage. Then there are the spikes and sags that are caused by the cheap power supply itself. Depending on the severity of the fluctuations and the tasks the computer is used for the computer may exhibit instabilities when performing processing intensive tasks that place a load on the power supply it cannot keep up with. Conversely if the computer is used primarily for lightweight processing tasks like email, Web surfing, and typical office functions The power supply's shortcomings may never manifest themselves. Do I use a really expensive power supply? Yes. Would I recommend that everyone get one like mine? No. But there are very good reliable power supplies out there that while they cost more that the rock bottom bargain bin junk supplys they are certainly affordable and worth the cost.

You my friend have been lucky. I have seen many cheap supplys that lasted less than a year. I have seen many that when they failed fried parts of the system.


Here is a cheap bargain bin 500 watt supply for $20. Read some of the user reviews on this guy. They aren't very impressive. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817159062

Here is a basic Antec unit. Read the reviews on this one. They are considerably better. It costs about $50. I would rather pay $50 now than have to replace it in a year and possibly some damaged parts as well. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371004

Here is something even more expensive. If I were in the market for a 450 - 500 watt unit and I intended to do some very intensive tasks with the computer I would absolutely pay the $70 for that unit but not everyone would need it. I probably would however. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703011

Look if you drop $800 dollars or more on a reasonably powerful system that will be the repository for most of the digital parts of your life, juniors baby pictures, tax returns, yadayadayada... Why would you skimp and stick a 20 dollar power supply in it? That would be like buying a very nicely outfitted SUV and sticking a 4 cylinder yugo engine in it. Sure if you only drive it to the store and back it may make it just fine and the engine might even last a while. Try taking it on the expressway though and there will be problems.

It is your choice. If your happy using nothing but bargain bin supplys then more power to you. However you do a disservice to anyone that you recommend crap supplys to. Sooner or later it is going to come back and bite someone in the ass and it will be your fault.
 

novice

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Well, I can appreciate the original poster's question. And I think it is possible to buy reasonable PSU's at reasonable prices. I stay away from the Free after rebate or $19.99 after rebate with free shipping. In the old days, I generally bought either Enlight or Sparkle or Thermaltake and currently am trying out some other "2nd Tier" supplies, a Rosewill 400W Stallion to replace a 300W Emachine unit $25 newegg special, a Coolermaster 460W unit for $29.95 shipped. While these aren't Antec or Corsair power supplies, I am not running any super powered video cards or power hungry CPU's. I believe these power supplies have enough amps on the 12V rail to run my bargain systems. IF I ever do go for a quad core I-7 system with a pair of $300 video cards running cross fire, I will probably have to bite the bullet and get a super capable and pricey PSU. If one of my inexpensive but seemingly adequate PSU's gives up the ghost (and possibly takes some components with it) it will be a mildly expensive lesson, and I guess I would then step up to the Corsair PSU's. I admit, I did just order a Corsair 400w PSU for my sister in law's family PC to go with the HD 4670 video card I got them for Christmas. Didn't want to take a chance on stressing their factory HP 300W unit with their quad core E6600 and 8 gigs of ram.
 

Puffnstuff

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Well nothing screams "I shoulda bought a decent ps" like when a cheap one spikes and takes everything attached to it out. When you're rebuying everything you can think about how much money you saved by not buying a good ps. I personally run overkill, my last ps was an enermax galaxy 850 and now I'm running a corsair hx1000. Why? So I don't have to worry about ps problems and can focus on other things.
 

Lonyo

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...k=400%20CX
400w, sufficient for most inexpensive builds, even with some aim towards gaming (I have one for my PC -> see sig).

For a budget box, non-gaming, you could probably get away with a decent 300w or maybe even less PSU (low power graphics card/dual core CPU not overclocked) without any issues.

You don't need to spend the earth to get a decent quality PSU which will put out enough power for your average system.
 

M0RPH

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Well nothing screams "I shoulda bought a decent ps" like when a cheap one spikes and takes everything attached to it out.

A lot of people here like to warn about the dreaded power supplies that take out other components or your whole system. It's like the story told around the campfire to scare the kiddys. How many of you have actually had a power supply do something like that? My guess is very very few.

When a system does get fried from a power surge it's very likely due to a power surge from the wall because someone didn't have a proper surge protector. It's not the fault of the power supply.
 
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