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spidey07

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Potable water can only be considered an infinite resource if we also assume an infinite supply of money and devalue the worth of human lives abroad still further.

Nonsense. I can run the faucet and take a 2 hour shower. Water goes into pipes or ground. Ground cleans it or it's put on plants, plants use it and give some back or it evaporates, makes clouds then it rains, things eat them, then piss out the water, rinse, repeat. Unless you live in a desert there is no reason to be concerned about a few extra hundred gallons of use a month. I pay for it and by god I am going to enjoy it.

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lxskllr

No Lifer
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Nonsense. I can run the faucet and take a 2 hour shower. Water goes into pipes or ground. Ground cleans it or it's put on plants, plants use it and give some back, things eat them, then piss out the water, rinse, repeat. Unless you live in a desert there is no reason to be concerned about a few extra hundred gallons of use a month. I pay for it and by god I am going to enjoy it.

It's not exactly the Sahara here in MD, but there's already been issues of wells running dry. The people here are too stupid to breathe, so we often need water restrictions in the summer prohibiting the watering of lawns, car washing, and other ridiculous resource wasting.
 

Locut0s

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Nonsense. I can run the faucet and take a 2 hour shower. Water goes into pipes or ground. Ground cleans it or it's put on plants, plants use it and give some back, things eat them, then piss out the water, rinse, repeat. Unless you live in a desert there is no reason to be concerned about a few extra hundred gallons of use a month. I pay for it and by god I am going to enjoy it.

Unless of course you consider that a HUGE amount of the worlds food supply is only made possible by irrigation water pumped out of underground aquifers at rates that are thousands of times faster than their natural rate of replenishment. So much of the Colorado river is redirected for irrigation that for months of the year it doesn't even reach the sea. Sure all fresh water will eventually be replenished if you are willing to wait a million years or so and let about 2 to 3 billion people starve to death in the long run. The world is already very close to maxing out most of the readily available fresh water there is (especially in poor nations and the developing world). Sure more water is available if you have the money to get it but that doesn't help much if you or living in Asia or Africa. And in the long run because of the interconnectedness of the global economy it doesn't mater where you live. And any small change in demand or output, by say changes in weather or migration of people from one area to another, can cause huge problems with water shortage to say nothing of the problem of water quality.
 

spidey07

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It's not exactly the Sahara here in MD, but there's already been issues of wells running dry. The people here are too stupid to breathe, so we often need water restrictions in the summer prohibiting the watering of lawns, car washing, and other ridiculous resource wasting.

How is watering your lawn wasteful? I'm putting it back into the ground and in my yard any run off goes into a nice sized creek. Don't get me wrong in severe drought times we should be careful with water and reprioritize it to making food, but it will all even out. Droughts are seasonal. It doesn't mean the water is gone, it just moved somewhere else thanks to that wonderful thing called the water cycle.
 

Locut0s

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How is watering your lawn wasteful? I'm putting it back into the ground and in my yard any run off goes into a nice sized creek. Don't get me wrong in severe drought times we should be careful with water and reprioritize it to making food, but it will all even out. Droughts are seasonal. It doesn't mean the water is gone, it just moved somewhere else thanks to that wonderful thing called the water cycle.


The water cycles does indeed replenish water but not at a rate sufficient to support the 6-9 billion people we currently have and will have living here in the future. Not without major problems!!!
 

spidey07

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Unless of course you consider that a HUGE amount of the worlds food supply is only made possible by irrigation water pumped out of underground aquifers at rates that are thousands of times faster than their natural rate of replenishment. So much of the Colorado river is redirected for irrigation that for months of the year it doesn't even reach the sea. Sure all fresh water will eventually be replenished if you are willing to wait a million years or so and let about 2 to 3 billion people starve to death in the long run. The world is already very close to maxing out most of the readily available fresh water there is (especially in poor nations and the developing world). Sure more water is available if you have the money to get it but that doesn't help much if you or living in Asia or Africa. And in the long run because of the interconnectedness of the global economy it doesn't mater where you live. And any small change in demand or output, by say changes in weather or migration of people from one area to another, can cause huge problems with water shortage to say nothing of the problem of water quality.

To quote a famous philosopher, Sam Kinisen - "Stop trying to grow shit in the desert! Ahh-Ahh! You can't grow shit in the desert! MOVE! Ahh-Ahh!"
 

Rubycon

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To quote a famous philosopher, Sam Kinisen - "Stop trying to grow shit in the desert! Ahh-Ahh! You can't grow shit in the desert! MOVE! Ahh-Ahh!"


If you had a wireless mic with incredible range on uranus I'd be willing to be you'd hear evidence of shit growing.
 

Locut0s

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To quote a famous philosopher, Sam Kinisen - "Stop trying to grow shit in the desert! Ahh-Ahh! You can't grow shit in the desert! MOVE! Ahh-Ahh!"

We don't have a choice in the issue. We are already using just about ALL the arable land there is on the planet and that's WITH converting vast tracts of desert into agriculture. There isn't any place to move that food production.
 

Squisher

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To quote a famous philosopher, Sam Kinisen - "Stop trying to grow shit in the desert! Ahh-Ahh! You can't grow shit in the desert! MOVE! Ahh-Ahh!"
"Best thing we could do for those people is buy them 2 suitcases and a U-haul-it."
 

feralkid

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To quote a famous philosopher, Sam Kinisen - "Stop trying to grow shit in the desert! Ahh-Ahh! You can't grow shit in the desert! MOVE! Ahh-Ahh!"


You mean like...California?

Good luck feeding the U.S. without irrigated desert.
 

DrPizza

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Depends on where you're at, as far as wasting water. And, for the majority of people in the US, using excess is wasting it. For me, where I live, the water table stays pretty high, despite me keeping my garden hose running 24/7 so that it doesn't freeze.
 

Muse

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It does me. I don't even know what it is, if someone just leaves water running, for example, it drives me nuts.

Right now my roommate is doing dishes/watching football, instead of doing all the dishes at once and rinsing, he does one at a time, leaving the water running the entire time. He dries each of his dishes individually and will take a 20sec break to watch tv.

Its like torture to me to see all that water just run down the drain.
I live alone, so I don't have these problems, but I see your point. Myself, I'm extremely frugal. I could show you some things. You might seem very wasteful to me.

I haven't put out the trash for almost 3 months, I accumulate so little. In a week or two I might.

My water usage is always under the limit where I have to worry about conservation even when they declare an emergency.

My utility bills have been going down for years as I find more ways to conserve energy.

One of my own pieves: When I see people open their refrigerators and just leave the door open for a while. Mine is open as little as possible for as short a moment as possible. Refrigeration uses a lot of juice.
 
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lxskllr

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I live alone, so I don't have these problems, but I see your point. Myself, I'm extremely frugal. I could show you some things. You might seem very wasteful to me.

I use cereal bags for sandwich bags :^P
 

Muse

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I use cereal bags for sandwich bags :^P
I stopped buying cereal. Decided I don't need the sugar. I don't use sandwich bags. What I use is those square serving papers they use at fast food places. I buy them in packs, just like food service outfits do. I cut one of those in half and wrap it around 1/2 a sandwich. Two of them per sandwich, and put the wrapped s/w halves in a small paper bag (which can be reused). Works for me, and I waste no plastic.
 

Parasitic

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Necessary wastefulness I can accept. For instance I would not reuse a pair of latex exam gloves if I left my bench to go to a different instrumentation room for my work. I also would leave the water running at the sink if I were dumping chemicals (safe for drainage system, of course) to dilute the concentration down a bit.

Now wasting food at the buffet I can't take.
 

spidey07

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You mean like...California?

Good luck feeding the U.S. without irrigated desert.

Why the hell do you think farmers are fleeing cali in droves? I can sustain myself so I basically have a big "fuck you hippies" mentality. Mainly because hippies are parasites, they cannot live without help from others.
 
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Muse

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The only wasteful thing that bothers me is packaging. I don't know if it's any better in other parts of the world, but here in America, 9 times out of 10, product packaging is excessive and unnecessary.
It's a constant battle. I buy in bulk when practical. I bring a backpack, refuse bags. I reuse packaging when possible. I have plastic food containers I've been reusing for literally decades. Recycle!
 

Muse

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Throwing trash on the ground is one of my biggest pet peeves in this area. Can't tell you how annoyed I feel then I see someone just drop a chocolate bar wrapper, paper cup, or chip bag on the street wherever they are. It's a deliberate fuck you I'm going to do whatever the fuck I want!
This happens to me a lot. Across the street about 3 doors down there's a corner store, right in my residential neighborhood. This results in a lot of people walking past my house and dropping wrappers, they just don't give a fuck. I'm not sure what I'd do if I saw someone do that. I might get in their face or I might STFU, I sometimes wonder. I just can't be that way, myself.
 

Muse

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I use the same dishwashing technique, although I do not dry dishes. Wet dishes are placed on a drying rack. It would be annoying to turn the water on and off for every dish. To those who would suggest washing the dishes at once then placing them aside to be rinsed together I say that I do not like piling my dishes in the sink while they are all soapy. The sink may redirty the dishes. There is also the risk of breakage when piling dishes.
I do turn the water on/off for each item I wash. Like I say, I'm frugal. I chose the faucet I use in my kitchen. It's nice and easy to use, I like how it works. I have my own method for washing dishes.
 
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