Dog the Bounty Hunter...

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: techs
Of course Dog nabbing Luster was a good thing,
However, consider what it would be like if someone from another country came to the U.S. and kidnapped a U.S. citizen based on some court in a country with a two bit criminal justice system. In fact, there are warrants for a number of U.S. officials already in effect in other countries. If Mexico didn't try and get Dog back, or if the U.S. didn't abide by its treaties, we would see an international free for all in bounty hunters.
That being said, the Mexican government should just let Dog plead guilty to some lesser offense, pay a fine and HIDE THEIR HEADS IN SHAME THAT LUSTER WAS ALLOWED TO LIVE IN MEXICO DESPITE HIS CONVICTIONS AND WITHOUT EVEN BOTHERING TO HIDE HIS TRAIL.

Not even the same thing. Luster wasn't a Mexican citizen. He was a US citizen hiding in Mexico.

If Mexico came over here and took back one of their own to face charges in Mexico I wouldn't care.

Well, you can just apply it then to an American visiting England, France, Germany, Canada, etc. Someone gets a judge in Kazahkstan to issue a warrant and someone comes from Kazakstan and kidnaps the American.

Also, I watched Dogs episode about the capture and did some reading about it. While Luster was not exactly in hiding there was no evidence that the Mexican authorities had any idea where he was in Mexico. I wonder what would have happened if Dog had just told the Mexican police he found Luster and where to find him? In the episode it was revealed that when the Mexican authorities arrested Dog, based on someone calling the cops reporting a kidnapping, that Dog told the Mexicans that he had Luster in the car. And the Mexican authorities arrested Luster and then extradited him to the U.S. Dog did not kidnap Luster and bring him back to the US. He kidnapped him and when Dog was caught the Mexican police were informed they had Luster, and they then did the right thing.

btw I watch Dogs show and find him to be a decent guy and I am impressed at his efforts to help the people he deals with.

That still doesn't hold up as a comparison because the warrant wasn't issued by the person's nation of origin. Luster was an American citizen wanted under an american warrant.

Trying to compare that to an American citizen kidnapped in France on a German warrant... It's not the same thing.

American citizen... convicted fugitive.
American warrant.
Captured by Americans.

 

[Oceandevi]

Mexico is not a good brother to us. They should be more like Canada

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: SonnyDaze
Does this mean his show will be cancelled?

God I hope so.

Why, because you have a hard time pressing a different channel on the remote?

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Why can't he work out some kind of a plea deal, through his Mexican attorney, without having to step foot in Mexico?

I don't agree with the US's decision to cooperate with Mexico on this one. What dog did was worth way more good, than harm.

It's not about whether it was more good than harm, it's about the principle of the matter. You can't simply traipse into some other country, break their laws, and then when caught be arrogant about it. He got busted, he should have just said "hey, he's a really bad guy, I was just helping you get the SOB", and odds are the Mexican govmt would have worked out some deal. Instead, he's been arrogant, thumbing his nose at Mexico. I'm guessing they will throw the book at him and he'll see some jail time.

 

[PokerGuy]

<edited out>

 

[JulesMaximus]

Mexico doesn't do squat about their murderers. Ever hear of Jorge Arroyo-Garcia, aka Armando "Chato" Garcia? This guy wasn't a drug dealer, he killed an LAPD officer, a man with a wife and child, and the Mexican government refused to do anything to locate or extradite him for 5 freaking years. It took 5 years and loads of political pressure to extradite a fvcking cop killer. Do you think if the Dog had off'd a cop down there he'd still be alive today?

And we extradite a guy who kidnapped a rapist? You've got to be kidding me...:roll:

 

[PokerGuy]

<Edited out> There was no need to make it into a personal flamewar.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Edit-Look, I was out of line when I said what I said earlier. I apologize for that. The extradition case I spoke of hits a little close to home with me so I tend to get a bit hot headed when it comes to this subject. :beer:

 

[Mill]

The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

If we didn't extradite him, then I fully expect to receive even LESS cooperation from Mexico in the future when it comes to extraditions.

It is a minor offense, and he DID break that law. jjones pointed out something that a lot of people missed -- if he had turned over Luster to the Mexican authorities they wouldn't have gotten pissed at them. He didn't, so they got really mad. It is a bad thing to mess with the government of a country like that.

Fact is, he should have to go back and pay his fine and possibly do 30 days in jail. If they were going to execute the guy for what he did, or give him 10 years in prison then I wouldn't support it one bit.

 

[error162]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
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but the bottom line is that you can't just go to another country and ignore their laws, do as you please, kidnap people, and then complain when they want to toss you in prison.

Is that not what the Mexicans are currently doing in your country??

 

[compuwiz1]

He won't go to Mexco. If that actually begins to happen, you will see a huge outrage in this country. Mexico can fvck off and die.

Most of the barbians who have posted in this thread must be in the Bush camp.

 

[error162]

I,m not a Republican nor am I a Democrat, I have absolutely no use for any politician!! A crackhead could do a better job runnin your country, The way I see it , And its not that far off , Your Country will soon be known as the United States Of Arabia, So it really does not matter, The Mexicans will bed down with the Muslim leaders of your country and that will be that, The same way that your current government is bedding down with the Mexicans!!!! And you will have no say in the matter!! This is where in my opinion cloning would come in Handy, Because I would bring back all the guys that signed the declaration of independance, And they would take names and kick ASS!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cleeve]

go with christ brah.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: techs
Of course Dog nabbing Luster was a good thing,
However, consider what it would be like if someone from another country came to the U.S. and kidnapped a U.S. citizen based on some court in a country with a two bit criminal justice system. In fact, there are warrants for a number of U.S. officials already in effect in other countries. If Mexico didn't try and get Dog back, or if the U.S. didn't abide by its treaties, we would see an international free for all in bounty hunters.
That being said, the Mexican government should just let Dog plead guilty to some lesser offense, pay a fine and HIDE THEIR HEADS IN SHAME THAT LUSTER WAS ALLOWED TO LIVE IN MEXICO DESPITE HIS CONVICTIONS AND WITHOUT EVEN BOTHERING TO HIDE HIS TRAIL.

Not even the same thing. Luster wasn't a Mexican citizen. He was a US citizen hiding in Mexico.

If Mexico came over here and took back one of their own to face charges in Mexico I wouldn't care.

Well, you can just apply it then to an American visiting England, France, Germany, Canada, etc. Someone gets a judge in Kazahkstan to issue a warrant and someone comes from Kazakstan and kidnaps the American.

Also, I watched Dogs episode about the capture and did some reading about it. While Luster was not exactly in hiding there was no evidence that the Mexican authorities had any idea where he was in Mexico. I wonder what would have happened if Dog had just told the Mexican police he found Luster and where to find him? In the episode it was revealed that when the Mexican authorities arrested Dog, based on someone calling the cops reporting a kidnapping, that Dog told the Mexicans that he had Luster in the car. And the Mexican authorities arrested Luster and then extradited him to the U.S. Dog did not kidnap Luster and bring him back to the US. He kidnapped him and when Dog was caught the Mexican police were informed they had Luster, and they then did the right thing.

btw I watch Dogs show and find him to be a decent guy and I am impressed at his efforts to help the people he deals with.

That still doesn't hold up as a comparison because the warrant wasn't issued by the person's nation of origin. Luster was an American citizen wanted under an american warrant.

Trying to compare that to an American citizen kidnapped in France on a German warrant... It's not the same thing.

American citizen... convicted fugitive.
American warrant.
Captured by Americans.

How about Iraqi citizen...convicted fugitive.
Iraqi warrant.
Captured by Iraqis (in the U.S.).
Oh, did I mention the warrant was ordered by Saddam Hussein?
And the "Bounty Hunter" was an Iraqi intelligence agent?

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: techs
Of course Dog nabbing Luster was a good thing,
However, consider what it would be like if someone from another country came to the U.S. and kidnapped a U.S. citizen based on some court in a country with a two bit criminal justice system. In fact, there are warrants for a number of U.S. officials already in effect in other countries. If Mexico didn't try and get Dog back, or if the U.S. didn't abide by its treaties, we would see an international free for all in bounty hunters.
That being said, the Mexican government should just let Dog plead guilty to some lesser offense, pay a fine and HIDE THEIR HEADS IN SHAME THAT LUSTER WAS ALLOWED TO LIVE IN MEXICO DESPITE HIS CONVICTIONS AND WITHOUT EVEN BOTHERING TO HIDE HIS TRAIL.

Not even the same thing. Luster wasn't a Mexican citizen. He was a US citizen hiding in Mexico.

If Mexico came over here and took back one of their own to face charges in Mexico I wouldn't care.

Well, you can just apply it then to an American visiting England, France, Germany, Canada, etc. Someone gets a judge in Kazahkstan to issue a warrant and someone comes from Kazakstan and kidnaps the American.

Also, I watched Dogs episode about the capture and did some reading about it. While Luster was not exactly in hiding there was no evidence that the Mexican authorities had any idea where he was in Mexico. I wonder what would have happened if Dog had just told the Mexican police he found Luster and where to find him? In the episode it was revealed that when the Mexican authorities arrested Dog, based on someone calling the cops reporting a kidnapping, that Dog told the Mexicans that he had Luster in the car. And the Mexican authorities arrested Luster and then extradited him to the U.S. Dog did not kidnap Luster and bring him back to the US. He kidnapped him and when Dog was caught the Mexican police were informed they had Luster, and they then did the right thing.

btw I watch Dogs show and find him to be a decent guy and I am impressed at his efforts to help the people he deals with.

That still doesn't hold up as a comparison because the warrant wasn't issued by the person's nation of origin. Luster was an American citizen wanted under an american warrant.

Trying to compare that to an American citizen kidnapped in France on a German warrant... It's not the same thing.

American citizen... convicted fugitive.
American warrant.
Captured by Americans.

How about Iraqi citizen...convicted fugitive.
Iraqi warrant.
Captured by Iraqis (in the U.S.).
Oh, did I mention the warrant was ordered by Saddam Hussein?
And the "Bounty Hunter" was an Iraqi intelligence agent?

Yea, becuase that is the same thing... :roll:

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: waggy
thats BS.


kidnap people? the bastard was a muirder and a wanted felon!

The ends don't justify the means in the justice system. He (Dog) must follow all applicable laws all the time.

 

[imported_Mike]

This whole thing is just for publicity. Mexico City is one of the most dangerous cities in the world and actual kidnappings happen on a daily basis.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Why can't he work out some kind of a plea deal, through his Mexican attorney, without having to step foot in Mexico?

I don't agree with the US's decision to cooperate with Mexico on this one. What dog did was worth way more good, than harm.

It's not about whether it was more good than harm, it's about the principle of the matter. You can't simply traipse into some other country, break their laws, and then when caught be arrogant about it. He got busted, he should have just said "hey, he's a really bad guy, I was just helping you get the SOB", and odds are the Mexican govmt would have worked out some deal. Instead, he's been arrogant, thumbing his nose at Mexico. I'm guessing they will throw the book at him and he'll see some jail time.

Gotta agree with that post. While Luster deserves far worse than the US system will give him for the crimes he's charged with, Violating the laws in a foreign country make you liable to prosecution in that country. IMO, he could have probably gotten away with this in MOST other countries, but Mexico is so corrupt, that Luster probably had the locals paid off, and now, they want retribution for the loss of income...he's gonna get his pee-pee spanked...and deservedly so...
This should have been done by the proper channels.

 

[brxndxn]

Originally posted by: BooGiMaN

Originally posted by: KK
This whole mexico deal is starting to piss me off. We need to kill every damn mexican crossing the border illegally. Yes, kill them. If they see that we are killing them, then maybe they won't continue crossing.

who is this we exactly...are you personally volunteering to murder innocent people coming over the border?

They're not fvcking innocent you dumb fvck. He said, "crossing the border illegally" and you say "innocent."

 

[preslove]

Am I the only one who read the article?

Chapman, who is now free on $300,000 bail, faces up to four years in a Mexican jail if convicted. But his Mexican lawyer, Jorge Huerta, doubts he would get the maximum. Huerta said illegal detention is a relatively minor crime in Mexico, and that if Chapman is convicted, he would likely only have to pay a fine of several hundred dollars.

Hopefully he can get a speedy trial and pay a fine. Hopefully his tv producers will pay it, too.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: techs
Of course Dog nabbing Luster was a good thing,
However, consider what it would be like if someone from another country came to the U.S. and kidnapped a U.S. citizen based on some court in a country with a two bit criminal justice system.

That's not a fair comparison. A non-US bounty hunter would have to come to the US and kidnap another non-US citizen.

EDIT: I see that someone else brought this up earlier.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

That still doesn't hold up as a comparison because the warrant wasn't issued by the person's nation of origin. Luster was an American citizen wanted under an american warrant.

Trying to compare that to an American citizen kidnapped in France on a German warrant... It's not the same thing.

American citizen... convicted fugitive.
American warrant.
Captured by Americans.

How about Iraqi citizen...convicted fugitive.
Iraqi warrant.
Captured by Iraqis (in the U.S.).
Oh, did I mention the warrant was ordered by Saddam Hussein?
And the "Bounty Hunter" was an Iraqi intelligence agent?

Dude... It's not that hard. Why do you keep throwing monkey wrenches into your attempted comparisons? How is your Iraq scenario in any way similar to the Dog/Luster issue?

The direct comparison is a Mexican bounty hunter taking a Mexican citizen out of the US on a Mexican warrant without the cooperation or knowledge of the US government. Or a Canadian bounty hunter taking a Canadian citizen out of the US on a Canadian warrant without the cooperation or knowledge of the US government... And as I said earlier, I have no problem with that.

Warrants issued by a defunct government... kidnappings directly orchestrated by that governement... Your comparison is NOT reflective of the Luster/Dog case.

 

[oldman420]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Anybody who doesn't take Dog's side is scum.

call me scum then what would we think of a mexican or other national came into our country for the same purpose?

would we be all like ohh thats ok he was a scumbag anyway?

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Dude... It's not that hard. Why do you keep throwing monkey wrenches into your attempted comparisons? How is your Iraq scenario in any way similar to the Dog/Luster issue?

The direct comparison is a Mexican bounty hunter taking a Mexican citizen out of the US on a Mexican warrant without the cooperation or knowledge of the US government. Or a Canadian bounty hunter taking a Canadian citizen out of the US on a Canadian warrant without the cooperation or knowledge of the US government... And as I said earlier, I have no problem with that.

Warrants issued by a defunct government... kidnappings directly orchestrated by that governement... Your comparison is NOT reflective of the Luster/Dog case.

Because he's a troll.

I too would have no problems with another country's bounty hunter coming here and grabbing that country's citizen on that country's warrants.

Originally posted by: oldman420

call me scum then what would we think of a mexican or other national came into our country for the same purpose?

would we be all like ohh thats ok he was a scumbag anyway?

Yes, we would. I think the majority of the US population wouldn't have a problem with it.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: BooGiMaN

Originally posted by: KK
This whole mexico deal is starting to piss me off. We need to kill every damn mexican crossing the border illegally. Yes, kill them. If they see that we are killing them, then maybe they won't continue crossing.

who is this we exactly...are you personally volunteering to murder innocent people coming over the border?

Once the cross the border they have broken US laws and are no longer innocent. If you want them here, fine, make it legal. Until then they are criminals and should be treated as such.