Dogs Left In Hot Cars

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Chiropteran

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Nobody's worried that the dog might accidentally somehow put the car in drive and run down someone's kid while you're in the store? I say that's too big of a risk to take. Let the dog pant.

Dogs don't have opposable thumbs. Emergency brake release requires opposable thumbs.
 

skyking

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and the camry requires that you press the brake pedal, hold down the gear release button and shift it into gear. Hmmm. I think we were safe.
 

CZroe

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You can't be serious.

You think this law will suddenly cause someone to wake up one day and say to themselves, "I'm going to go out today and look for some dog owners to shame. I hadn't really given it any thought before now but with this new law...what the hell?"

Really?

Really?


I know people like that. You don't?

Leaving a car running unattended is illegal here. Law was passed a year or two ago. People were warming up or running into the store and having their cars stolen during winter.

Tesla will run the AC/heater and pull out of the garage/parking space and wait for you almost like how a Nest thermostat will anticipate your arrival based on your schedule and have the correct temperature when you arrive (without having to maintain that temperature for an unoccupied home all day).

I guess Teslas are illegal too.

Cars with remote start are still immobilized without the key. This sounds like a stupid law that only exists to help insurance companies avoid paying out when someone does leave their key.

heh i had a honda accord where i could pull the key out while it was running.

We had a Toyota Celica like that. The majority of times you pulled out the key it would actually be in the accessory position and you could start the car with anything flat. I used to start the car with a spoon just to mess with my friends.
 

CZroe

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Nobody's worried that the dog might accidentally somehow put the car in drive and run down someone's kid while you're in the store? I say that's too big of a risk to take. Let the dog pant.

Cars with remote start are still immobilized without the key. It would be stupid to have them bypass the key requirement just to have remote start.
 

rh71

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Cars with remote start are still immobilized without the key. It would be stupid to have them bypass the key requirement just to have remote start.

I don't have remote start but the keyless entry/start that doesn't require a key in the ignition at any point. I can walk off with the car running and keys in my pocket and someone in the car can still drive off with it. The safety (not security) mechanism is the common foot-on-brake before shifting out of park. While not likely, dogs can still knock into it if situated near the driver foot-well. In other words, a situation like in the pic could still mean a mobilized vehicle. I tell my kids not to even go into the front seat or touch any controls whenever my car is running and I have to go back inside for a moment.
 
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DrPizza

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Another feel good law that will do little to protect someone from a lawsuit should they break the window of a car to "rescue" an animal. You will still end up in court trying to prove that the dog was actually in danger and there was no other option.

This law will embolden folks go looking for dogs in cars so they can break windows, feel like heroes and try to shame dog owners. The actually necessity of the "rescue" will be secondary to their crusade.

I often take my daughter's dog with me to visit the dog park and run errands. Some places he can go in with me, but others he can't. If I tell him to stay he curls up in the back and goes to sleep. Depending on the weather, I leave either the windows down, or the heater or air conditioner running for him.

If a dog is really in danger and no owner is around, go ahead and break the window and nobody is going to fault you. Just be sure, and not on a crusade or over reacting, or you are still going to be paying for a window.
Most of the state laws that are written allowing people to break windows to rescue pets left in the heat are well written enough to protect the window breaker from any repercussions. Thus, no, you're not going to be paying for a window. If such a law comes to a state near you, prepare for a bunch of PETA people who have been empowered to break windows and actually look forward to the opportunity.
 

LTC8K6

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Remote start on my Volvo allows me to run my vehicle with the car locked. It actually can only be activated when the doors are locked.

Yes, remote start and auto climate control.

Been around for decades.

My 2008 Jeep even turns on the electric rear window defroster, and the heated mirrors, on cold winter mornings when I remote start it.

If you break the window and open the door, you still can't go anywhere. The alarm will sound and the engine will shut off, and you don't have the key fob.
 
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rh71

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My 2008 Jeep even turns on the electric rear window defroster

We put remote start in my wife's Sonata, but the installer said there's a limitation to the rear defrost coming on (it can't do it), which is an electronic push button separate from the front defrost (also an electronic button). With the front defrost, we have to put it on before turning off the car and it remembers, but this doesn't work with the rear defrost. Anyone know why or have seen this?
 

LTC8K6

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Mar 10, 2004
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We put remote start in my wife's Sonata, but the installer said there's a limitation to the rear defrost coming on (it can't do it), which is an electronic push button separate from the front defrost (also an electronic button). With the front defrost, we have to put it on before turning off the car and it remembers, but this doesn't work with the rear defrost. Anyone know why or have seen this?

Could be factory versus dealer installed/aftermarket?

The rear defroster is a large electrical load. Maybe the relay can't handle that?
 

CZroe

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Jun 24, 2001
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I don't have remote start but the keyless entry/start that doesn't require a key in the ignition at any point. I can walk off with the car running and keys in my pocket and someone in the car can still drive off with it. The safety (not security) mechanism is the common foot-on-brake before shifting out of park. While not likely, dogs can still knock into it if situated near the driver foot-well. In other words, a situation like in the pic could still mean a mobilized vehicle. I tell my kids not to even go into the front seat or touch any controls whenever my car is running and I have to go back inside for a moment.

If it was started in range of the fob then of course it will go: it sees the "keyless key." Soon afterward a driver without it will be stranded by the immobilizer. Some designs may remain functional until stopped and started again, but that has nothing to do with using remote start to run a vehicle after leaving it.

Assuming we aren't talking about janky aftermarket kits that basically Hotwire your car, of course.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immobiliser

Many chipkey cars and car alarm systems have immobilizers even without fancy remote start and all that.
 
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