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shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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Kids should go to the schools they want to, not the ones their parents want them to go to. Self determination is fundamental to personal development and life satisfaction.
Well, KIDS have no choice in these matters.
GROWN UPS can do what they want. And parents can barter with them. If they're paying the bill and part of the deal is the newly made grown up has to go where they say, thats the deal.
Or they can do like I did and leave home, make their own way, figure things out for themselves.
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Well, KIDS have no choice in these matters.
GROWN UPS can do what they want. And parents can barter with them. If they're paying the bill and part of the deal is the newly made grown up has to go where they say, thats the deal.
Or they can do like I did and leave home, make their own way, figure things out for themselves.

how did that work out for you, Mr Lickens?
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Yes I agree. Children should have a proper authority figure.

Oh, you're so good with the wording. Obviously you think this is clever, but there is a distinction between proper authority figure and authoritarian. Now, you're opinion maybe that they're the same, and if that's the case then we disagree.

8 year old, sure you go ahead and do the my way or the highway thing

18 year old, maybe you as a parent should've grow up a bit and have a discussion with your kiddo. You've made no effort to say this is what you do. You've just said it's my money, do this or you don't get it. That's exactly the pettiness you decried recently in other threads when people dare be mean to your dear leader.
 
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Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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And if your parents are loaded part of that self determination is going to the school they want you to go to, otherwise they shut off the money.
They aren't parenting if they have that attitude. A child could be admired for rebelling against them. Better to maintain your personal integrity than bend to someone else's will for their money.
Well, KIDS have no choice in these matters.
GROWN UPS can do what they want. And parents can barter with them. If they're paying the bill and part of the deal is the newly made grown up has to go where they say, thats the deal.
Or they can do like I did and leave home, make their own way, figure things out for themselves.
Yeah, like that.
 

MtnMan

Diamond Member
Jul 27, 2004
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No, that is how it should be.
I feel sorry for your kids, if you have any. They will become "legal adults" but totally ill prepared to actually be an adult. "What would daddy want" training you advocate is clearly setting them up for failure. Perhaps that's a family tradition?
 
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Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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I feel sorry for your kids, if you have any. They will become "legal adults" but totally ill prepared to actually be an adult. "What would daddy want" training you advocate is clearly setting them up for failure. Perhaps that's a family tradition?
From an early age parents should encourage their kids to think for themselves. Kids are going to ask questions, and a parent should be on tap for that, but the kid should know (at least sense) that the parent is fully aware that they don't have all the answers and that the kid is always encouraged to find out for themselves more information, and yes, so that they know more than their parent. I don't have kids, but have enough imagination to know that this is wisest.
 
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pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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I feel sorry for your kids, if you have any. They will become "legal adults" but totally ill prepared to actually be an adult. "What would daddy want" training you advocate is clearly setting them up for failure. Perhaps that's a family tradition?

My son had a full scholarship for his college education and has a very successful career and family, but thanks for your concern.

Thanks also the snide comments and insults coming from your blatant ignorance. I feel sorry for you when all you have in life is to go around insulting people.

 
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pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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From an early age parents should encourage their kids to think for themselves. Kids are going to ask questions, and a parent should be on tap for that, but the kid should know (at least sense) that the parent is fully aware that they don't have all the answers and that the kid is always encouraged to find out for themselves more information, and yes, so that they know more than their parent. I don't have kids, but have enough imagination to know that this is wisest.


"I don't have kids"

Well, It appears to me your qualifications are lacking.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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My son had a full scholarship for his college education and has a very successful career and family, but thanks for your concern.

Thanks also the snide comments and insults coming from your blatant ignorance. I feel sorry for you when all you have in life is to go around insulting people.

"I don't have kids"

Well, It appears to me your qualifications are lacking.

Umm, it appears you lacked the experience as well.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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It wasn't your money.

Yes, my son earned his scholarship through his hard work and dedication. I didn't need to pay for his education, nor did he rack up hundreds of thousands in school debt. He was raised to be responsible for himself and to not depend on others for his needs. That is a good thing in my opinion.

So I guess you are correct, I didn't have the "experience" of paying for my dependent children going to college. He took care of that himself.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Yes, my son earned his scholarship through his hard work and dedication. I didn't need to pay for his education, nor did he rack up hundreds of thousands in school debt. He was raised to be responsible for himself and to not depend on others for his needs. That is a good thing in my opinion.

So I guess you are correct, I didn't have the "experience" of paying for my dependent children going to college. He took care of that himself.

Good for him, but you never had to have the conversation that you flippantly assume would have been a particular way.

Maybe consider others situations before assuming an opinion without experience. That's what being a parent has taught me.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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Good for him, but you never had to have the conversation that you flippantly assume would have been a particular way.

Maybe consider others situations before assuming an opinion without experience. That's what being a parent has taught me.


I didn't flippantly assume anything. I know how our conversation would have gone had I been paying for his college education.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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I didn't flippantly assume anything. I know how our conversation would have gone had I been paying for his college education.

I see, so there's no room for compromise or discussions when it comes to your authoritarian leadership. Remembering your political preferences, and posting history here, that adds up. My way or the highway, less brain work.
 
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cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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"I didnt help my kids with nothing and look how well they turned out. I was doing the right thing all along"
^^
The power of rationalization. Its how we live with a clear conscience in a universe where there is no universal high ground to conquer.

I mean fuck us, if we had to open our eyes and take in all the crap we've been responsible for over the years, right?
 
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