Dollar near highs on budget news, shrinking trade deficit

Train

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It seems the markets have more faith in the new budget than most of us. Especially this early after its release.
TOKYO (Reuters) - The dollar held near a three-month high against the euro and a one-month peak versus the yen on Tuesday, supported by U.S. efforts to tighten fiscal policy and the Federal Reserve chief's optimistic take on the huge U.S. deficits.
 

Stunt

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Good to hear!, with the strength of precious metals and euro; combined with deficits, outlook wasn't looking so hot.
Nice to see some confidence go in the right direction.
 

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I think it is a bit silly to put this move all on the new budget proposal.

Euro vs Dollar Graph. Things have been moving up steadilly since the beginning of the year. You could easilly fit a straight line fairly well from then until now. The proposal didn't appear to affect that linear increase much. Plus if you look back 5 months, the gain has been small compared to the drop.

Yen vs Dollar Graph I'd be hard pressed to say that there has been any significant change in the last 3 months. Sure there are weekly spikes, but overall it is flat. Any move since the budget release is right in line with the spikes and certainly well off the pace that it was 5 months ago.
 

Train

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Originally posted by: dullard
I think it is a bit silly to put this move all on the new budget proposal.
it wasnt, other factors credited were Greenspans outlook, and decreased trade deficit (US exporting more per imports than before)
Euro vs Dollar Graph. Things have been moving up steadilly since the beginning of the year. You could easilly fit a straight line fairly well from then until now. The proposal didn't appear to affect that linear increase much. Plus if you look back 5 months, the gain has been small compared to the drop.

Yen vs Dollar Graph I'd be hard pressed to say that there has been any significant change in the last 3 months. Sure there are weekly spikes, but overall it is flat. Any move since the budget release is right in line with the spikes and certainly well off the pace that it was 5 months ago.
I dunno, I see a nice spike in each of them the last few days. But I'm just an optimist

 

Stunt

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You article has nothing to do with trade.
Just dollar and budget deficits.
i'm sure you read that right genx?
 

Stunt

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Also a lower dollar does equal a higher trade output....but he is reporting a HIGHER dollar...

Train you should change your topic, confusing the people around here.

ie. "budget cuts rally US dollar"
 

Train

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Also a lower dollar does equal a higher trade output....but he is reporting a HIGHER dollar...

Train you should change your topic, confusing the people around here.

ie. "budget cuts rally US dollar"
Sorry, I based the thread on multiple sources. I try to read the same story from different news services to get all the details. I guess I didnt realize the one I linked didnt back up all three causes (I usually prefer to link to Rueters)

But if your hungry for more, heres several other articles
Dollar Gains Against Yen; Traders Bet Currency to Extend Rally
Dollar Gains; Fed's Bies Says US Attracts Overseas Investment
Dollar Near 3-Month High as US Trade Deficit Probably Shrank
Dollar at 3-Month High; Report May Show Narrowing Trade Deficit



 

Stunt

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But not making the case for higher dollar causing trade deficit change, right?
Basically a thread on the overall improving US economy?
:thumbsup:
 

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what is bothersome is that Bush's proposal still breaks the record for worst budget deficit EVAR for the 3rd year in a row. i'd hate to see how large it is if the economy were bad.
 

Stunt

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Yeah i think the cuts were too deep at once, especially with the US war.
Also, spending cuts should have happened at the same time, not 4 years down the road.

Now, if you take into account the increased cost in SS and the iraq war, the deficit wouldn't be that bad.
I'd say Iraq was a bad fiscal decision...but that's the only thing Bush really had any control over from a deficit point of view...
 

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Yeah i think the cuts were too deep at once, especially with the US war.
Also, spending cuts should have happened at the same time, not 4 years down the road.

Now, if you take into account the increased cost in SS and the iraq war, the deficit wouldn't be that bad.
I'd say Iraq was a bad fiscal decision...but that's the only thing Bush really had any control over from a deficit point of view...

SS has no baring on the deficit.
 

Stunt

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It should be included...
why would you have "off-budget" deficits...in the end you are still paying it from your debt load.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: Stunt
It should be included...
why would you have "off-budget" deficits...in the end you are still paying it from your debt load.

Actually, right now SS isn't losing money, so I don't see how it could be included in a "deficit." It's still taking in more than it gives out. In 2018-2020, it will start to pay out more than it gets in.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Stunt
It should be included...
why would you have "off-budget" deficits...in the end you are still paying it from your debt load.

Actually, right now SS isn't losing money, so I don't see how it could be included in a "deficit." It's still taking in more than it gives out. In 2018-2020, it will start to pay out more than it gets in.
I would expect that, boomers are still working.
 

Train

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Originally posted by: Stunt
But not making the case for higher dollar causing trade deficit change, right?
no, I never said that. Its actually the shrinking trade deficit that causes a rising dollar (not the other way around)

Basically a thread on the overall improving US economy?
:thumbsup:
sure, why not

 

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I suspect this optimism will be short -lived. Bush's budget cut proposals are like holding up the line at the teller window while the safe is being emptied out in the back, and Greenspan's remarks are mostly wishful thinking, and an attempt to stave off the inevitable.

Short term optimism doesn't indicate long term stability, at all. Neither Bush nor Greenspan have addressed the structural issues that will force further dollar depreciation...
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
I suspect this optimism will be short -lived. Bush's budget cut proposals are like holding up the line at the teller window while the safe is being emptied out in the back, and Greenspan's remarks are mostly wishful thinking, and an attempt to stave off the inevitable.

Short term optimism doesn't indicate long term stability, at all. Neither Bush nor Greenspan have addressed the structural issues that will force further dollar depreciation...



what issues are those?
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
I suspect this optimism will be short -lived. Bush's budget cut proposals are like holding up the line at the teller window while the safe is being emptied out in the back, and Greenspan's remarks are mostly wishful thinking, and an attempt to stave off the inevitable.

Short term optimism doesn't indicate long term stability, at all. Neither Bush nor Greenspan have addressed the structural issues that will force further dollar depreciation...



what issues are those?

For one, our trade deficit.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
I suspect this optimism will be short -lived. Bush's budget cut proposals are like holding up the line at the teller window while the safe is being emptied out in the back, and Greenspan's remarks are mostly wishful thinking, and an attempt to stave off the inevitable.

Short term optimism doesn't indicate long term stability, at all. Neither Bush nor Greenspan have addressed the structural issues that will force further dollar depreciation...



what issues are those?

For one, our trade deficit.


I am undecided on this issue. We have usually had trade defecits when the economy is good and trade surpluses when the economy is bad. However the the current gap is quite large, but I still dont know if it is an issue.
 

Train

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
I suspect this optimism will be short -lived. Bush's budget cut proposals are like holding up the line at the teller window while the safe is being emptied out in the back, and Greenspan's remarks are mostly wishful thinking, and an attempt to stave off the inevitable.

Short term optimism doesn't indicate long term stability, at all. Neither Bush nor Greenspan have addressed the structural issues that will force further dollar depreciation...



what issues are those?

For one, our trade deficit.
as India and China become more modernized, thier currencies will rise. Thus making thier labor more expensive, and the US will send less work there. I dont see the trade deficit as a long term problem, even in worst case scenario it will eventually level out, its impossible for americans to ship 15 billion more a year overseas than they get in return, for very long.

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
I suspect this optimism will be short -lived. Bush's budget cut proposals are like holding up the line at the teller window while the safe is being emptied out in the back, and Greenspan's remarks are mostly wishful thinking, and an attempt to stave off the inevitable.

Short term optimism doesn't indicate long term stability, at all. Neither Bush nor Greenspan have addressed the structural issues that will force further dollar depreciation...



what issues are those?
as India and China become more modernized, thier currencies will rise. Thus making thier labor more expensive, and the US will send less work there.

For one, our trade deficit.


That is already happening in India, less so in china because their currency is pegged to ours. Maybe the chinses should peg their currency to the euro
 

AndrewR

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The yen rate has to stay crappy until the end of April so when I get my Y170,000 housing deposit back, I make money from when I paid it at Y135=$1.
 
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