Dominion Voting sues Fox, OAN and Newsmax for $1.6B each over 2020 election claims.

[HomerJS]

There may be some conservatives who think Fox is proganda, but you are fooling yourself if you think that even 40% of their viewers realize it is trash. The best case is that they will say it has a right leaning bias like CNN has a left leaning bias. The other 60%+ think that Fox is the bastion of truth and Carlson is exposing the hidden agenda.

Stop giving them so much credit. They are fucking brainwashed sheep. Once you put things into that context you will realize why they vote how they do and that they are beyond logical discourse.

A lot of them know what's going on. When presented with outright lies their defense is conflation. They conflate lies with bias. They also conflate lies with best information available at the time.

Example: Claim CNN lied about Trump and Russia. Recall there were numerous links from Trump to Russia. Mueller said he didn't have enough to indict for collusion. HE also said he didn't indict for obstruction because of the OLC rule that they don't indict a sitting President. Mueller did say if Trump was innocent, he would have said it.

Example: MSM buried the Hunter Biden laptop. Again, recall our intelligence agencies had reason to believe it was Russian misinformation. That intel was wrong but the networks did not conspire to lie.

If a network gets a story wrong, we should expect a correction. To date Fox News has never corrected or apologized for promoting birtherism.

 

[Pens1566]

Biden should use this as justification and kick their asses out of the White House Press room. Hopefully Biden sues them for violation of PIAs/NDAs as well. And then I'd assume this would also be an FEC violation.

It would be a nice turn of events, but I think that's up to the WHCA to decide who gets in.

 

[HomerJS]

It would be a nice turn of events, but I think that's up to the WHCA to decide who gets in.

Trump had individual press credentials revoked. Biden can start with Peter Doocey who asks questions like “when did the President stop beating his wife”

Trump administration commits ‘mass purge’ of journalists allowed to enter White House

'There’s something wrong with a president having the power to decide which journalists can cover him'

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Pens1566]

Trump had individual press credentials revoked. Biden can start with Peter Doocey who asks questions like “when did the President stop beating his wife”

Trump administration commits ‘mass purge’ of journalists allowed to enter White House

'There’s something wrong with a president having the power to decide which journalists can cover him'

www.independent.co.uk

That was access to the WH grounds itself which is absolutely up to the WH/USSS. That would accomplish it though. But unless it's a really really really fringe group/outlet, I'd expect the WHCA to bitch up a storm.

 

[soundforbjt]

Any bets on how long before the first one ends up on MSNBC?

Cucker used to be on MSNBC.

 

[Pohemi]

Trump seethes on Truth Social after Rupert Murdoch spills the beans

Trump accused the Fox chairman of "throwing his anchors under the table" after revelations in new court filing.

www.salon.com

More toddler statements from the orange snowflake. Fox was his best buddy for 4 or 5 years, and suddenly they're just the worst and he'd have people believe that they always have been.

Prime example of Trump only "liking" or approving of people, companies, etc. when they're sucking the Donald mushroom without question or protest. Trip up for even a moment in his eyes, and he'll do everything he can to ruin them.

 

[hal2kilo]

why the heck did Murdoch admit to any of this, even under oath?
Just keep lying.
Lots of Repubs have gotten away with it so far.
Why did he not follow the script and decided to throw everyone under the bus?

Oh wait.. is this like Star War Clone Wars where the Dems are playing both sides and Murdoch is actually Count Doku and works for the DNC?

/Tin foil hat

He should have taken Trump's advise.

Donald Trump Doubles Down on Rupert Murdoch Attack as Fox News Rift Widens (newsweek.com)

 

[MrSquished]

Schumer and Jeffries call this news 'grave propaganda'

Oy.

Just call them the liars they are.

 

[hal2kilo]

Cucker used to be on MSNBC.

And Turley used to be on Keith Olbermann's show supporting the lefts complaints about the law. Amazing how things change. Someone is paying more?

 

[JEDI]

Trump seethes on Truth Social after Rupert Murdoch spills the beans

Trump accused the Fox chairman of "throwing his anchors under the table" after revelations in new court filing.

www.salon.com

More toddler statements from the orange snowflake. Fox was his best buddy for 4 or 5 years, and suddenly they're just the worst and he'd have people believe that they always have been.

Prime example of Trump only "liking" or approving of people, companies, etc. when they're sucking the Donald mushroom without question or protest. Trip up for even a moment in his eyes, and he'll do everything he can to ruin them.

I can't believe the way Trump abused Repubs that there were enough left willing to vote for the party that McCarthy took the House

 

[Dave_5k]

Basically Fox defense comes down to:
1) We're immune due to the Fox re-interpretation of the 1st amendment that gives Fox absolute immunity to air whatever defamatory lies they choose (which is transparently false, yet another lie...)
and as a backup defense, if that fails,
2) We're not guilty by reason of insanity (falsely claiming to actually believe the insane lies they were airing, which Murdoch's testimony and internal e-mail documentation at Fox has completely gutted)

After already pretty much completely failing at #1 and #2, I think they've started to go after the damages really weren't that high... although they are also doubling and tripling down on the conspiracy theories in filings, claiming there was the theoretical possibility of hacking voting machines and Trump's election lies were never conclusively disproven.

 

[Dave_5k]

A side-effect of the lawsuits I hadn't thought about ~ Fox Corporation is a publicly traded company with shareholders that could have claims against the Fox Corp Board for their failures of oversight (although this is still hypothetical at this point, piling on by shareholder lawsuits if Fox has a material financial loss from losing or settling with Dominion are quite likely)

Fox executives should be fired for 'proven misconduct' exposed in Dominion lawsuit, renowned Yale professor says

The Fox Corporation board has a huge mess on its hands — and it needs to work quickly to clean it up.

www.cnn.com

“The board has a duty to remove such officials for proven misconduct,” Sonnenfeld told CNN by email, explaining that peddling known election lies — as “acknowledged in the company’s own sworn testimony” — damaged the outlet’s corporate reputation.

“If the board does not act appropriately,” Sonnenfeld added, “it shows a failure of management oversight and jeopardizes their own directors and officers insurance protection with such gross conscious failure of diligent management oversight.”

 

[alien42]

A side-effect of the lawsuits I hadn't thought about ~ Fox Corporation is a publicly traded company with shareholders that could have claims against the Fox Corp Board for their failures of oversight (although this is still hypothetical at this point, piling on by shareholder lawsuits if Fox has a material financial loss from losing or settling with Dominion are quite likely)

Fox executives should be fired for 'proven misconduct' exposed in Dominion lawsuit, renowned Yale professor says

The Fox Corporation board has a huge mess on its hands — and it needs to work quickly to clean it up.

www.cnn.com

“The board has a duty to remove such officials for proven misconduct,” Sonnenfeld told CNN by email, explaining that peddling known election lies — as “acknowledged in the company’s own sworn testimony” — damaged the outlet’s corporate reputation.

“If the board does not act appropriately,” Sonnenfeld added, “it shows a failure of management oversight and jeopardizes their own directors and officers insurance protection with such gross conscious failure of diligent management oversight.”

I'm seriously considering shorting FOX because of these 2 lawsuits.

 

[hal2kilo]

I can't believe the way Trump abused Repubs that there were enough left willing to vote for the party that McCarthy took the House

He's definitely hell bent on divide and conquer. He's torching them over SS and Medicare, and I'm loving it.

Trump ties GOP in knots over Medicare and Social Security - POLITICO

 

[hal2kilo]

Basically Fox defense comes down to:
1) We're immune due to the Fox re-interpretation of the 1st amendment that gives Fox absolute immunity to air whatever defamatory lies they choose (which is transparently false, yet another lie...)
and as a backup defense, if that fails,
2) We're not guilty by reason of insanity (falsely claiming to actually believe the insane lies they were airing, which Murdoch's testimony and internal e-mail documentation at Fox has completely gutted)

After already pretty much completely failing at #1 and #2, I think they've started to go after the damages really weren't that high... although they are also doubling and tripling down on the conspiracy theories in filings, claiming there was the theoretical possibility of hacking voting machines and Trump's election lies were never conclusively disproven.

Looks like Murdoch is following his usual pattern of throwing someone under the bus as a sacrificial lamb (CEO). I don't know how this will absolve the corporation, though.

Experts: Murdoch testimony "guts" Fox's best defense — but he may set up top exec to "take the fall" | Salon.com

 

[conehead433]

Fox claims that Dominion has not lost any contracts and therefore has not caused any harm to the company. If states' election boards believed the nonsense that Fox was spewing they (Dominion) probably would lose their contracts here in the US. If Dominion attempts to get contracts outside the US, the negative information that Fox was spreading would also probably keep them form getting any new contracts. Then consider what those contracts would be worth over the lifetime of the company. Fox sought to put Dominion out of business in an effort to support what they knew were lies in support of Donald Trump. The settlement amount should be at least the $1.6 Billion in lost revenue and probably another few Billion in punitive damages while also agreeing that no business of Robert Murdoch can continue to operate in the US on a permanent basis.

 

[fskimospy]

Fox claims that Dominion has not lost any contracts and therefore has not caused any harm to the company. If states' election boards believed the nonsense that Fox was spewing they (Dominion) probably would lose their contracts here in the US. If Dominion attempts to get contracts outside the US, the negative information that Fox was spreading would also probably keep them form getting any new contracts. Then consider what those contracts would be worth over the lifetime of the company. Fox sought to put Dominion out of business in an effort to support what they knew were lies in support of Donald Trump. The settlement amount should be at least the $1.6 Billion in lost revenue and probably another few Billion in punitive damages while also agreeing that no business of Robert Murdoch can continue to operate in the US on a permanent basis.

Yes, exactly this. It is very clear to me that any official procuring new voting machines would face significant pressure to not purchase them from Dominion.

 

[HomerJS]

Seems to me Fox will have to try and settle. Just imagine the public spectacle of Hannity, Carlson and Ingraham testifying under oath. That would destroy the brand.

If they to settle, I can't imagine Dominion letting it go without a public admission of guilt and a taped confession of lying by the hosts to be broadcast on their shows for a week. If it were me, I would...

Settle for 800m (half)
Admission of guilt along with a taped confession by each host to be broadcast of their show.
Each host that lied or promoted lies be fired and not allowed back on Fox for 5 years.

Once completed, contact the capital police, the DNC and the Biden campaign. Give them advice for their own suit.

 

[Pens1566]

Seems to me Fox will have to try and settle. Just imagine the public spectacle of Hannity, Carlson and Ingraham testifying under oath. That would destroy the brand.

If they to settle, I can't imagine Dominion letting it go without a public admission of guilt and a taped confession of lying by the hosts to be broadcast on their shows for a week. If it were me, I would...

Settle for 800m (half)
Admission of guilt along with a taped confession by each host to be broadcast of their show.
Each host that lied or promoted lies be fired and not allowed back on Fox for 5 years.

Once completed, contact the capital police, the DNC and the Biden campaign. Give them advice for their own suit.

I hope they go to trial. Even if they lose, it's possible that the public testimony will be more of a hit in the long run than any settlement amount.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I hope they go to trial. Even if they lose, it's possible that the public testimony will be more of a hit in the long run than any settlement amount.

Right because they are so adept at interpreting and understanding testimony and evidence and squaring them with reality. These are the same morans who think election fraud evidence was given in court dozens of time but wasn't allowed to be argued. They are delusional fuckbags.

 

[Meghan54]

Well, there’s this…does count as losing a contract?

With unfounded fraud claims swirling, red California county dumps Dominion voting machines — Los Angeles Times

Fueled by unfounded conspiracy theories about rigged voting, Shasta County has severed ties with Dominion and is considering a return to hand-counting ballots.

apple.news

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(Sorry for the type of link…I’m on a phone and I’m barely literate with it).

Wonder if it’ll spread to other red voting districts.

 

[Pens1566]

Right because they are so adept at interpreting and understanding testimony and evidence and squaring them with reality. These are the same morans who think election fraud evidence was given in court dozens of time but wasn't allowed to be argued. They are delusional fuckbags.

I wasn't necessarily talking about it changing the minds of current Fox worshipers. Was more thinking just the negative publicity, humiliation, other follow on legal issues, internal chaos, turnover, etc.

And was the bolded intentional?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I wasn't necessarily talking about it changing the minds of current Fox worshipers. Was more thinking just the negative publicity, humiliation, other follow on legal issues, internal chaos, turnover, etc.

And was the bolded intentional?

 

[Ajay]

I wasn't necessarily talking about it changing the minds of current Fox worshipers. Was more thinking just the negative publicity, humiliation, other follow on legal issues, internal chaos, turnover, etc.

And was the bolded intentional?

Yeah, no way loyal Fox viewers will consider this anything but an effort by "The Swamp©" to crush their movement.

 

[fskimospy]

I wasn't necessarily talking about it changing the minds of current Fox worshipers. Was more thinking just the negative publicity, humiliation, other follow on legal issues, internal chaos, turnover, etc.

And was the bolded intentional?

If memory serves Dominion has said they have no interest in a settlement and intend to take the case to trial.

Maybe they are just posturing and it’s a tactical thing but my thought is Fox probably tried to settle before the discovery phase because, well, for all the reasons we’ve recently seen.