Dominion Voting sues Fox, OAN and Newsmax for $1.6B each over 2020 election claims.

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UNCjigga

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Smart money says Fox and Dominion will both move to settle the suit soon and avoid a potential summary judgment in Dominion’s favor or potential First Amendment precedents that could destroy America. I guess the latest accusations from this producer could be the final nail against Fox.

 
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akenbennu

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Smart money says Fox and Dominion will both move to settle the suit soon and avoid a potential summary judgment in Dominion’s favor or potential First Amendment precedents that could destroy America. I guess the latest accusations from this producer could be the final nail against Fox.


I think Dominion has said they aren't interested in settling, but I suppose the size of the check could change their minds.
 
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shortylickens

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I think Dominion has said they aren't interested in settling, but I suppose the size of the check could change their minds.
if somebody could force them to admit they deliberately maliciously spread lies to influence the election, like a civil or criminal court, it would be a total game changer for American politics.
BUT if they could just punish them with a huge settlement, it may send the message you cannot do whatever the fuck you like in politics. Which the current conservative cult seems to honestly think is true.
Every time we let them get away with shit, we prove them right. So yeah, lets start suing pundits and propaganda networks. Alex Jones already lost. We have precedent.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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if somebody could force them to admit they deliberately maliciously spread lies to influence the election, like a civil or criminal court, it would be a total game changer for American politics.
BUT if they could just punish them with a huge settlement, it may send the message you cannot do whatever the fuck you like in politics. Which the current conservative cult seems to honestly think is true.
Every time we let them get away with shit, we prove them right. So yeah, lets start suing pundits and propaganda networks. Alex Jones already lost. We have precedent.
Unfortunately even if they get a settlement ruled against them, all they learn is that it's expensive to meddle with politics. You have to ruin them, salt the earth, till the fields and salt it again.
 

HomerJS

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If I were Dominion, I would settle for 800m along with each Fox host going on the air for a week and admit to every lie they've ever told. In case they claim "I can't remember" let Dominion provide the list of lies.

That will kill their way of doing business and leave a carcass for Smartmatic, that producer and the capital police in case they decide to sue.
 
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shortylickens

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in theory it should be against the law to manipulate the court system in order to keep civil tries from going forever. In reality they can do that, and its why wealthy corps get away with shit so often. They never admit guilt. But they will settle for large sums of cash and the condition of silence.
Just once I'd like somebody to actually WIN a civil case and get their apology.

We did manage to nail OJ in civil court, but thats only because he burned thru all his savings on that fucking dream team. Who, by the way, were completely fed up with him and each other by the time the case was finished.
 
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hal2kilo

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If I were Dominion, I would settle for 800m along with each Fox host going on the air for a week and admit to every lie they've ever told. In case they claim "I can't remember" let Dominion provide the list of lies.

That will kill their way of doing business and leave a carcass for Smartmatic, that producer and the capital police in case they decide to sue.
At least a month.
 

you2

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I'm also interested if the shareholder suit (against) fox will take traction if the stock price drops because of this specific issue. I haven't checked their 10k from 2021 but vaguely i don't think they initially listed as one of their risks 'we might get caught with our pants down for lying about voting election fraud and cost the company billion(s) of dollars.'
 

sportage

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If I were Dominion, I would settle for 800m along with each Fox host going on the air for a week and admit to every lie they've ever told. In case they claim "I can't remember" let Dominion provide the list of lies.
That will kill their way of doing business and leave a carcass for Smartmatic, that producer and the capital police in case they decide to sue.

Are you kidding? Doing that would never matter to a Fox viewer regardless of a Dominion victory in court. Fox zombies would simply say OH, THEY MADE FOX DO THIS. JUST MORE OF THE DEEP STATE CONTROLLING FREE SPEECH. Fox and their friends would feel sorry for Fox and claim the lies were not lies but truth, claim that Dominion did rig the votes for Biden, and claim this lawsuit was only a setup. Either that, or the Fox maga would just say YEAH SURE, WE KNOW FOX LIES BUT BETTER FOX LIES THAN CNN LIES.

You gotta understand, those maga Fox viewers are embedded EMBEDDED in the lies. The truth doesn't matter because the lies are the truth when you're a Fox viewer.
These people are hopelessly lost. Terminally lost souls. There's no reasoning with them and definitely no changing their minds. As far as they care, Dominion did rig the election, Donald Trump did win the election, and Joe Biden is still an illegitimate president.

Does anyone really think that a Fox viewer would say ON, FOX LIED TO ME SO BIDEN MUST BE THE GOOD LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT? Never gonna happen....
 
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SMOGZINN

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If I were Dominion, I would settle for 800m along with each Fox host going on the air for a week and admit to every lie they've ever told. In case they claim "I can't remember" let Dominion provide the list of lies.

That will kill their way of doing business and leave a carcass for Smartmatic, that producer and the capital police in case they decide to sue.
Dominion would probably settle for something like that, but Fox would never accept such a settlement. I'm guessing that Fox will never settle for any admission of guilt at all, if for no other reason than because it would open up the door for a hundred other lawsuits. But the truth is that this lawsuit is about the validity of the business model of both companies. Whoever loses this suit is going to have to drastically change how they do business. This is in truth a corporate fight to the death!
 

Amused

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Dominion would probably settle for something like that, but Fox would never accept such a settlement. I'm guessing that Fox will never settle for any admission of guilt at all, if for no other reason than because it would open up the door for a hundred other lawsuits. But the truth is that this lawsuit is about the validity of the business model of both companies. Whoever loses this suit is going to have to drastically change how they do business. This is in truth a corporate fight to the death!

Dominion will settle for nothing less than a finding or admission of guilt.

Nor should they.
 
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UNCjigga

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I sure hope so

I assume, like most businesses, Dominion’s board, private shareholders, and executive leadership team are not comprised of die hard progressive liberals (even if they are Canadian.)

Their owners, Staple Street Capital, acquired the firm in 2018. They stand to make quite the windfall from any settlement deal. Nobody in their shoes would opt for a jury trial and all the delays and appeals that entails just to “send a message”.

So if a settlement offer is made, 90% chance it’s accepted or countered and negotiated—not rejected on principle.
 
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fskimospy

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I assume, like most businesses, Dominion’s board, private shareholders, and executive leadership team are not comprised of die hard progressive liberals (even if they are Canadian.)

Their owners, Staple Street Capital, acquired the firm in 2018. They stand to make quite the windfall from any settlement deal. Nobody in their shoes would opt for a jury trial and all the delays and appeals that entails just to “send a message”.

So if a settlement offer is made, 90% chance it’s accepted or countered and negotiated—not rejected on principle.
I think the easiest way to look at this is that Dominion's business is destroyed, at least in the United States. No election official is ever going to buy their machines again - not because they are actually bad/compromised but because they won't want to deal with the fallout from the crazies.

So what's the value of Dominion now? Seems to me like it's basically the proceeds from this lawsuit so yeah, that settlement is going to have to be big $$$. I think there is definitely a figure they would accept though.
 
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Pens1566

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I believe Dominion is on the record as saying they won't settle (however much that is worth or is just posturing). There was also a rumor that Fox tried and was rejected already.
 

Dave_5k

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I assume, like most businesses, Dominion’s board, private shareholders, and executive leadership team are not comprised of die hard progressive liberals (even if they are Canadian.)

Their owners, Staple Street Capital, acquired the firm in 2018. They stand to make quite the windfall from any settlement deal. Nobody in their shoes would opt for a jury trial and all the delays and appeals that entails just to “send a message”.

So if a settlement offer is made, 90% chance it’s accepted or countered and negotiated—not rejected on principle.
Agree, and I'd put most of the other 10% coming from Fox making a lowball offer well below value of the firm that isn't worth the time to even read it.

Side note, Dominion Voting is highly unlikely to collect the headline $1.6 billion (a figure based on speculative future growth prospects), when they only had ~$100 million/yr in revenue. I'd typically value that company at $200 million or less, and current owners apparently paid less than $100 million in 2018. And the business hasn't been completely shut down (at least yet).

While Delaware has no statutory limit on punitive damages, the U.S. Supreme Court has previously capped them at "reasonable" amounts - without any exact definition. I could very well see Fox getting bailed out by the Supreme Court to limit punitive damages if they are crazy enough to go through jury trial and lose bigly.
 

Zorba

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If I were Dominion, I would settle for 800m along with each Fox host going on the air for a week and admit to every lie they've ever told. In case they claim "I can't remember" let Dominion provide the list of lies.

That will kill their way of doing business and leave a carcass for Smartmatic, that producer and the capital police in case they decide to sue.
That would make no difference with their viewers.
 
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cytg111

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Its funny how there’s no lawsuits over the massive msm deceit on Hunters laptop… said Joe Rogan 1000x times. Not.
 

you2

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Its funny how there’s no lawsuits over the massive msm deceit on Hunters laptop… said Joe Rogan 1000x times. Not.
Assuming this was 'true' what was lost? If it was the reputation of the shady repairman (who is being sued for his part in the scheme) how many dollars were lost? I.e, i suspect that the cost of suing msm would be many times higher than any reward. This is a bit different - if dominion could only win a few thousands via winning a lawsuit I suspect they would rethink the process (unless they are very wealthy and just wanted to make a point). These lawsuit are not cheap.

Having said this it would be nice if Fox lost a billion or more... it isn't that the pushed this lie or damage the country faith in fair elections (all of this is unethical but legal); but knowingly slandering a company to make a dime .... well slander is slander and there is a law against it - pity it isn't a criminal law - then we could lock up these immoral creeps who are destroying this company.
 
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