Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/space/article7107207.ece

THE aliens are out there and Earth had better watch out, at least according to Stephen Hawking. He has suggested that extraterrestrials are almost certain to exist — but that instead of seeking them out, humanity should be doing all it that can to avoid any contact.
The suggestions come in a new documentary series in which Hawking, one of the world’s leading scientists, will set out his latest thinking on some of the universe’s greatest mysteries.
Alien life, he will suggest, is almost certain to exist in many other parts of the universe: not just in planets, but perhaps in the centre of stars or even floating in interplanetary space.
Hawking’s logic on aliens is, for him, unusually simple. The universe, he points out, has 100 billion galaxies, each containing hundreds of millions of stars. In such a big place, Earth is unlikely to be the only planet where life has evolved.


“To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational,” he said. “The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like.”
The answer, he suggests, is that most of it will be the equivalent of microbes or simple animals — the sort of life that has dominated Earth for most of its history.
One scene in his documentary for the Discovery Channel shows herds of two-legged herbivores browsing on an alien cliff-face where they are picked off by flying, yellow lizard-like predators. Another shows glowing fluorescent aquatic animals forming vast shoals in the oceans thought to underlie the thick ice coating Europa, one of the moons of Jupiter.
Such scenes are speculative, but Hawking uses them to lead on to a serious point: that a few life forms could be intelligent and pose a threat. Hawking believes that contact with such a species could be devastating for humanity.
He suggests that aliens might simply raid Earth for its resources and then move on: “We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet. I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach.”
He concludes that trying to make contact with alien races is “a little too risky”. He said: “If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn’t turn out very well for the Native Americans.”
The completion of the documentary marks a triumph for Hawking, now 68, who is paralysed by motor neurone disease and has very limited powers of communication. The project took him and his producers three years, during which he insisted on rewriting large chunks of the script and checking the filming.
John Smithson, executive producer for Discovery, said: “He wanted to make a programme that was entertaining for a general audience as well as scientific and that’s a tough job, given the complexity of the ideas involved.”
Hawking has suggested the possibility of alien life before but his views have been clarified by a series of scientific breakthroughs, such as the discovery, since 1995, of more than 450 planets orbiting distant stars, showing that planets are a common phenomenon.
So far, all the new planets found have been far larger than Earth, but only because the telescopes used to detect them are not sensitive enough to detect Earth-sized bodies at such distances.
Another breakthrough is the discovery that life on Earth has proven able to colonise its most extreme environments. If life can survive and evolve there, scientists reason, then perhaps nowhere is out of bounds.
Hawking’s belief in aliens places him in good scientific company. In his recent Wonders of the Solar System BBC series, Professor Brian Cox backed the idea, too, suggesting Mars, Europa and Titan, a moon of Saturn, as likely places to look.
Similarly, Lord Rees, the astronomer royal, warned in a lecture earlier this year that aliens might prove to be beyond human understanding.
“I suspect there could be life and intelligence out there in forms we can’t conceive,” he said. “Just as a chimpanzee can’t understand quantum theory, it could be there are aspects of reality that are beyond the capacity of our brains.”
 
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0roo0roo

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pretty much i guess, if an alien race masters the ridiculous tech to travel from star to star quickly we would stand no chance against that.
 

Terzo

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What's to say we aren't the bad guys who go around attacking planets and stripping them of their resources? We shouldn't fear the universe, the universe should fear us.
Everyone knows this.
 

Dark4ng3l

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Well the genie is out of the bottle anyways. We have had EM radiation spreading away from the planet for the last 70+ years that paints a huge bullseye on us. Not only that but someone looking at our emissions could pretty much figure out exactly what the extent of our technology is.

The only thing that I question though is whether or not "conquering" our planet would even be worth it. Aliens that advanced would pretty much need matter and energy and they can get plenty of that elsewhere without having to travel to us specifically.

Also you need to realize that the universe is like the far west without a sheriff. Destroying other civilizations is risky just because you never know who is watching you and who is out there. If some aliens destroy us to "protect themselves" as a sort of preemptive strike then any and all other alien civilizations that notice this will make it their sole purpose to destroy them in order to protect themselves. The universe is so big and so unknown that the only real viable strategy for even massively advanced civilizations is to hide.
 

Fritzo

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This has actually been argued before. Historically, any technologically superior civilization absorbs or wipes out a less advanced civilization. We have no idea what is out there, and any civilizations that are able to receive transmissions from us are very likely to have superior technology (we've only been able to receive/send radio for 100 years). Situations like the movie "Independence Day" might be more realistic than you would think.

As for the "great distances" involved, we're too stupid to know what we don't know. We recently found out that we only know what 5% of the universe is made of---the rest of it is "dark energy and dark matter", and we have NO idea what it is. We know it exists because we can directly observe it's interactions, but we can't explain it. A civilization only 1000 years more advanced than us may be able to travel or communicate in a way we can't even comprehend (imaging explaining email to King Henry I). For all we know, if a conquering race gets wind of us, they could wave a hand and be here in 2 minutes through a worm hole, see a new food and fuel source, and suck us up for processing.

We're at the cusp of a whole new era of understanding about the universe, our nature, and our purpose that we've never experienced before. It's both a scary and exciting time to be alive!
 

caddlad

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Also you need to realize that the universe is like the far west without a sheriff. Destroying other civilizations is risky just because you never know who is watching you and who is out there.

The the universe is, like, Oakland and we're sleeping in our car?
 

Gothgar

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Alien life, he will suggest, is almost certain to exist in many other parts of the universe: not just in planets, but perhaps in the centre of stars or even floating in interplanetary space.

Some one has read 40k

Go C'tan
 

Genx87

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What's to say we aren't the bad guys who go around attacking planets and stripping them of their resources? We shouldn't fear the universe, the universe should fear us.
Everyone knows this.

Considering our technology level can barely get us to orbit our own planet. The Universe doesnt have much to worry about now. But any civilization that can travel the stars could certainly crush us. I think he has valid points about this situation. Why are we seeking out technologically superior civilizations? Look at the history of such action on our own planet.
 

keird

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Well the genie is out of the bottle anyways. We have had EM radiation spreading away from the planet for the last 70+ years that paints a huge bullseye on us. Not only that but someone looking at our emissions could pretty much figure out exactly what the extent of our technology is.

The only thing that I question though is whether or not "conquering" our planet would even be worth it. Aliens that advanced would pretty much need matter and energy and they can get plenty of that elsewhere without having to travel to us specifically.

Also you need to realize that the universe is like the far west without a sheriff. Destroying other civilizations is risky just because you never know who is watching you and who is out there. If some aliens destroy us to "protect themselves" as a sort of preemptive strike then any and all other alien civilizations that notice this will make it their sole purpose to destroy them in order to protect themselves. The universe is so big and so unknown that the only real viable strategy for even massively advanced civilizations is to hide.

Well, it might take them a while to figure out the Sci-Fi channel is actually not news. While the aliens are trying to engineer a counter against the U.S.S. Enterprise from 1966 signals, they're gonna be in for a surprise when there's a fucking death star in 1977! Hell, maybe that's why they haven't made contact. They'll be all like, "Oh an egg, like from Mork & Mindy!" but it'll be like from Aliens. They don't know. Stupid alien races.
 

GagHalfrunt

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pretty much i guess, if an alien race masters the ridiculous tech to travel from star to star quickly we would stand no chance against that.

Just splash them with water, hit just the right point on their mothership with a crude weapon or wait for earth microorganisms to kill them. Hollywood has provided many how-to guides.
 

keird

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Just splash them with water, hit just the right point on their mothership with a crude weapon or wait for earth microorganisms to kill them. Hollywood has provided many how-to guides.

Is that a Wizard of Oz or Gremlins reference?
 

RoloMather

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Silly Hawking.

Genesis 1:1 — "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
 

Schadenfroh

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We need only a computer virus, a nuclear warhead and the craft that crashed in New Mexico to destroy their fleet. These aliens of Hawking appear to be exactly like the one in Independence Day, so those three things should do the trick.
 

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Deut 4: 32 For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and ask from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been any such thing as this great thing is, or hath been heard like it?

Psalm 14:1 — "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God..."
 

preslove

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Deut 4: 32 For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and ask from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been any such thing as this great thing is, or hath been heard like it?

Psalm 14:1 — "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God..."

So, will the aliens that come to eat us and extract all of earth's resources be christian?
 
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