Don´t you just love cutting edge technology?

El Greco

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This legacy garbage is now 5 year old and where is the replacement? Delayed again "until it´s ready" !!! And yeah, it will have even more overhead than XP so smaller part of the hardware power goes into your work.... and we will still have all these lovely viruses etc!

You know, I´ve tried Linux, FreeBSD and MacOSX and yea they simply rock in stability etc compared to the monopoly XP, but they all completely lack the software you need to use. I save tons of bucks by using "free" voip since I need to call alot abroad but guess what...only available for Windows! Yea, yea...dual or triple boot is a pain because you have your stuff on many OS so you always need to switch....but it´s the only option.

So because of all this M$ owns all our buts, but still it just cannot deliver a decent OS and the software producers think "all the masses are pwned by M$ so we just make our software for the virus-friendly Windows".

I feel that most governments are too soft on M$. Something should be done so that the M$ monopoly would end soon. Yea I´m a capitalist, but there are limits, especially with a stinkin´monopolies with the Steve Ballmer as a CEO!
 

magomago

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I find it ironic that you lambast MS for what you perceive to be "legacy garbage from M$" yet at the same time you are the one waiting impatiently for the replacement.
XP is a pretty decent OS, and Vista will hopefully be better. I don't like Microsoft's business tactics, hence I don't use Windows. I found programs that will do what I need, and I've taken "hits" because some things I can't do without Windows and I had to give it up, but I enjoy myself more.

Oh, and don't diss balmer....I've love to have the man as my CEO, especially when he doesn't think twice about absolutely embarrassing himself. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4860483760049380308
 

magomago

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Btw might I add be careful incase he tries to toss a chair at you for your comments
 

bigshooter

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Is XP preventing you from doing something on your machine? I use Fedora Core at home on one machine, but my main machine is XP SP2 and it runs just fine. In fact the only time I reboot is when I decide to shut off my computer if I'll be gone for more than a day. What kind of problems are you having that is causing your rant?
 

slpaulson

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Face it, vista isn't ready. Would you rather have Microsoft release an unfinished product?

And enough with the crap about windows being unstable and virus friendly. If you have an unstable infested Windows machine, YOU are doing something wrong.
 

SoundTheSurrender

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Originally posted by: cRazYdood
Face it, vista isn't ready. Would you rather Microsoft releases an unfinished product?

And enough with the crap about windows being unstable and virus friendly. If you have an unstable infested Windows machine, YOU are doing something wrong.

Thats not entirely true though, its as much of the os providers as it is the end users fault.
 

slpaulson

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Originally posted by: djmihow
Originally posted by: cRazYdood
Face it, vista isn't ready. Would you rather Microsoft releases an unfinished product?

And enough with the crap about windows being unstable and virus friendly. If you have an unstable infested Windows machine, YOU are doing something wrong.

Thats not entirely true though, its as much of the os providers as it is the end users fault.


Part of the problem is the fact that is impossible to fill every security flaw. Everybody is always going to target Windows. Maybe it is less secure than other products, but it can never be perfect, so people will always find a way to write new viruses no matter what.
 

Crescent13

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Seriously. I've been considering switching to mac for a long time now, and I'm a hardcore gamer (CS Source at least 3-4 hours a day). That's how much it sucks.
 

broly8877

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I've had a virus and spyware free XP for like 3 years.
And aside from hardware failure, it's been rock stable, too.
Gotta be careful is the way I look at it, I've lost no functionality or time doing this.

Oh, and I have a rant of my own.

Why the EFF are MBs still carrying legacy ports? Down with parallel ports, serial, PS/2, etc.
I want eSATA, FireWire, Gb LAN, and tons of USB2 ports only on my back panel, dagnamit! (and audio on one of those nifty separate cards like DFI does)
 

broly8877

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Oh, the only thing that ticks me off about MSFT is activation.

Completely legit, and they give me **** about the number of times I can activate MY copy on the SAME PC.
Calling in is BS, it makes me want to yeargh a copy.
 

Auric

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Those who prize stability do not rush to adopt a new OS in which case prepare to wait an additional year or two for Vista.
 

lamere

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I myself am cringing at the thought of a new M$ OS....:blech:

By the time vista rolls out with its REDICULOUS hardware requirements, i'll have a MAC
 

Gigantopithecus

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Originally posted by: cRazYdood
And enough with the crap about windows being unstable and virus friendly. If you have an unstable infested Windows machine, YOU are doing something wrong.

 

WarCon

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Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: cRazYdood
And enough with the crap about windows being unstable and virus friendly. If you have an unstable infested Windows machine, YOU are doing something wrong.


Or you have a wife that opens attachments cuz of cute little lines like "Here are the nude pic's you wanted" or "Call me again, my number is in the "zip" file". She doesn't do that anymore, and I have never given her reason to, but people (not just women) aren't always rational, trusting creatures and the virus creeps take advantage of that.

I myself haven't installed a virus on accident since I got one on a diskette version of Microsoft Office from a student distributor and the only other virus before that was from a friend giving me a "free" antivirus program (got a real laugh outta that one, har har).
 

dexvx

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Originally posted by: WarCon
Or you have a wife that opens attachments cuz of cute little lines like "Here are the nude pic's you wanted" or "Call me again, my number is in the "zip" file". She doesn't do that anymore, and I have never given her reason to, but people (not just women) aren't always rational, trusting creatures and the virus creeps take advantage of that.

Thats why no one uses my computer unless I know they aren't retarded.

Not that hard to build a cheap box (integrated everything ... $300 max?) for someone else in the household.
 

Crescent13

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Originally posted by: lamere
I myself am cringing at the thought of a new M$ OS....:blech:

By the time vista rolls out with its REDICULOUS hardware requirements, i'll have a MAC

:thumbsup: I hear ya.
 

MrUniq

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I still use windows 2000 on occasion.. when Vista comes out I'll ditch XP and use 2000 still. 2000 is the best OS MS ever made IMO. To bad they keep adding bloat to their software but I guess that gets in the way of all the new features they come up with.
 

Lemon law

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Actually I think win XP is the first half way decent GUI OS microsoft has come up with. But sadly much of it is simply old legacy code cobbled together---and microsoft sells it when its half way stable.

Then its off to the races preparing their next OS---which is going to be another abortion of cobbled code and an attempt to add new bells and whistles.---because the technology cutting edge dreams are three or four years old by the time the OS is ready---and by then the technology has already moved on.---in short microsoft refuses to do more than the minimum to improve the OS it has.---because its working on developing its next OS.

And the mistake in this approach is quite apparent in win xp---which is just one massive security hole.
That came out exactly when malware writers and the internet for all were reaching critical mass. Since then microsoft has done the very minimum to even patch the OS---and blames everyone but itself for the problems.---this vicious cycle will continue into the forseeable future---getting worse each generation---until its apparent to all that a clean sheet of paper approach is needed---and the next OS must be built from the ground up.---and such a ground up build could make existing hardware run at many times the speed that it runs at now.

Yes its possible to keep the worm, viruses, trojans, and the profusion of spyware away in win XP---but you have to be pretty security aware----which at least 2/3 of users are not---and then that smarter 1/3 have to spend an inordinate amount of time maintaining and scanning their PC---and in general plugging holes they never should have had to plug if XP was done right.

But a competing OS will never have a chance until it can run windows software at full speed. When and if that happens---microsoft will have to worry. But what I would like to see is the justice department break the windows software defacto monopoly into two or more pieces---and then we would see microsoft divisions actually having to compete on quality---and stability.

The other thing that may kill windows is their arrogant maxamist approach---as Vista is looking like bloatware on steroids---its going to take at least four times the ram to run, its going to require a very
fast cpu, and worse yet its going to require a very expensive graphics card to run correctly---a graphic card that costs as much as a modern PC---at a certain point average people are just going to start refusing to dump that much money into a PC.---and into a new generation of software that will run on that OS.

By then some group of open sourse folks may finally put together something that will run XP code, that is secure, and private industry may put that OS onto future computers.
 

Zebo

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I used 2000 until Oblivion came out.. what's the problem wth XP? Does everything I need it to..so did 2000 for that matter until oblivion came out and it would'nt install.

0/10...available software makes the OS not the other way around.
 
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I like my copy of Windows XP. Not had any spyware/viruses/malware/other-cute-stuff for as long as I can remember. Don't remember the last time I had to hard reset. Runs everything I need and want. Don't remember the last time I scratched my head wondering, "Wait, how did that happen?" The only time it acted iffy was when I had some sh!tty RAM. Replaced that, problem solved. If you don't like XP, don't buy it and educate those around you - it's that simple.

Only reason I respond to this post is because you say governments are too soft on Microsoft?!? What are you smoking? I like smoking stuff that makes me go a little crazy and goofy - I would ask for some, but I don't do stuff that makes me say utter B.S.
 

Zinthar

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The fact is that Microsoft has fallen behind...WAY behind in the innovation game. Now when Vista is released early next year, it will ALMOST be able match the feature set (albeit with about 4 million more little warning windows popping up to make sure you dont destroy your PC every 2 mins) of Tiger. Microsoft is living off the fact that Windows is the defacto OS for the average Joe and corporation. Everything that was supposed to set Windows Vista apart from the competition was cut over the years.

I think the problem is that Microsoft is afraid of confusing the average PC user by changing too much of their OS, and so its left in the dust by Linux and Mac OSX, OS's who benefit from the fact that their average user is far more technologically competent.

That said, I'm building a gaming PC that will inevitably have to run...Windows. I plan on finding a good alt.shell to fix the XP experience though.
 
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But that's the trouble with Windows - you just can't please everyone because there's like a few hundred million people who use it:
1) They make the taskbar a little more colorful and the title-bar buttons a little bigger and the whole world makes Fisher Price jokes about the design team. If they hadn't, there would still be complaining about how bland and aged Windows looks.
2) They load up a few services (which you can disable) that make it easier for plug-n-play devices (and hopefully, end the plug-n-pray jokes) and all the enthusiasts with gigs of RAM complain of bloat.
3) They release Service Packs and Security Updates - noone says, "Thank God these updates are here", they say, "Hmmph, they should have got it right the first time."
4) People long complained how the underlying technology of Windows is a dinosaur - agreed, it was. So they fix some things with SP2 - then they complain about how it broke their legacy, dinosaur apps.
5) Other OSes bundle free apps, it's value-added features and functionality out-of-the-box. Windows does it: it's bloat and a conspiracy to destroy the software industry.

The list goes on and on. Everyone has a right to love/hate a product they paid money for: I just get turned off by the Conspiracy Theorists who think Microsoft is Hell and Gates is the Devil incarnate. I'll agree with you Zinthar - they have fallen way behind the innovation game - I only have to look at IE 6 to know that. But the reason I don't particularly care is because I got the IntraWebs that allows me to download tons of crap from the Internet - and enjoy the process of figuring out which app (out of 367 others just like it) is the best for me. Linux users list this as a pro - so do I!
 
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