Don Cheadle tells Fox News that cancel culture is a ‘fabrication’

[HomerJS]

Don's assessment is spot on. Republicans are very good at labeling as a pejorative. This is another one that sticks. They don't even believe in their own label hence the censure of Cindy McCain.

Article quote is what I have said all along about this...

“I don’t think a lot of people who are crying about being canceled are really ‘canceled.’ I think they just don’t enjoy the spot that they had before. And they’ve gotten flack and blowback. Now they want to talk about it in terms of something that is untoward or unfair.”

Don Cheadle tells Fox News that cancel culture is a ‘fabrication’ (yahoo.com)

 

[ivwshane]

Don's assessment is spot on. Republicans are very good at labeling as a pejorative. This is another one that sticks. They don't even believe in their own label hence the censure of Cindy McCain.

Article quote is what I have said all along about this...


Don Cheadle tells Fox News that cancel culture is a ‘fabrication’ (yahoo.com)

Exactly. Being cancelled simply means you got called out on your bull shit and you are now a giant snowflake because you can’t defend yourself.
It’s funny how everyone is for free speech until other people exercise theirs to tell you how much you suck.

 

[Jaskalas]

How does a person being boycotted by no less than half of society, "defend themself"?
Cut off from employment, cut off from social media, cut off from anything liberals have a controlling interest in?
Being blacklisted with a scarlet letter has consequences. It is not just life as normal.

 

[woolfe9998]

On balance, I tend to agree with Cheadle. Some of what is being described as "cancel culture" is just people facing the reasonable consequences of what they choose to say in public, and people are just reacting in a way that is foreseeable. In some cases, however, I think there can be an overreaction to certain comments, interpreting them in ways not intended and over-punishing the speaker.

The larger point here is the right's own version of "cancel culture." It's a very different version, and much scarier. With the use of the term RINO for any republican breaking party lines on any issue, no matter how small, there has been a complete lack of tolerance for even mildest forms of dissent in their ranks.

But now it's even scarier. Just consider what happens to any conservative or republican who breathes an unkind word about God Emperor Trump. They voted to censure Cindy McCain, a private citizen who has never held office, for saying bad things about a man who had repeatedly defamed her husband. This is the main reason why republicans won't cross Trump and won't convict him for inciting an insurrection. It's because of conservative cancel culture. The irony is obviously lost on them.

I think there are people on the left who could justly criticize "cancel culture" on the left, but I have no interest in hearing this from the right because they are just being hypocrites.

 

[pauldun170]

How does a person being boycotted by no less than half of society, "defend themself"?
Cut off from employment, cut off from social media, cut off from anything liberals have a controlling interest in?
Being blacklisted with a scarlet letter has consequences. It is not just life as normal.

What are you talking about?
Who are you talking about?
Place some context around what you are saying here.

 

[Jaskalas]

...is just people facing the reasonable consequences of what they choose to say in public

I might argue that modern society is so interconnected and predicated on group-think... that these consequences are becoming much larger, more meaningful and impactful. Republicans were told their speech is not acceptable on Twitter. They make their own platform. That platform is ripped off the internet. So now they have to build their own internet just to communicate?

To realize their actual freedom they will need to start with a State sponsor. Be it foreign or domestic. An organization of law and authority that will not oppose their existence.

 

[nOOky]

Cancel culture is simply free speech in action, something Conservatives love. I mean, it's Trump's entire defense today. Except they want it all made into law their way, so they can sue because of it, and not make cakes for fags because of it, and force atheists to listen to their religious shit because of it. Otherwise if the other side uses it, it's cancel culture.

 

[woolfe9998]

I might argue that modern society is so interconnected and predicated on group-think... that these consequences are becoming much larger, more meaningful and impactful. Republicans were told their speech is not acceptable on Twitter. They make their own platform. That platform is ripped off the internet. So now they have to build their own internet just to communicate?

To realize their actual freedom they will need to start with a State sponsor. Be it foreign or domestic. An organization of law and authority that will not oppose their existence.

Except they weren't told that at all. No one is getting banned for being pro-life. No one is getting banned for favoring "small government" or cutting taxes for the rich. No one is being banned for being pro-2A. No one is being banned for wanting a border wall. No one is even being banned for saying nasty things about democrats and calling them mean names. People are getting banned for 1) calling for violence, 2) overt racism (n word stuff), and 3) proffering dangerous political conspiracy theories like stop the steal. The fact that they think the things they are banning people for are "their views" is kind of self-incriminating.

Just don't call for violence, use ethnic slurs, or spread baseless nonsense that is tearing our country apart, and you can be as blood red as you want to be. Is it really that hard?

 

[ivwshane]

How does a person being boycotted by no less than half of society, "defend themself"?
Cut off from employment, cut off from social media, cut off from anything liberals have a controlling interest in?
Being blacklisted with a scarlet letter has consequences. It is not just life as normal.

What the fuck are you talking about?! What an utterly ridiculous thing to say that has no basis in reality.

 

[ivwshane]

I might argue that modern society is so interconnected and predicated on group-think... that these consequences are becoming much larger, more meaningful and impactful. Republicans were told their speech is not acceptable on Twitter. They make their own platform. That platform is ripped off the internet. So now they have to build their own internet just to communicate?

To realize their actual freedom they will need to start with a State sponsor. Be it foreign or domestic. An organization of law and authority that will not oppose their existence.

You can argue it but just like people arguing that the earth is flat, you’d be wrong. Please continue on though, I’m loving your new found disingenuousness./eyeroll

 

[UNCjigga]

All I know is that I enjoyed “The Mandalorian” with Gina Carano in it and I don’t think her offensive tweet (the one that got her cancelled) was Anti-Semitic. She was just making another bad Nazi analogy, which conservatives are wont to do.

 

[ivwshane]

All I know is that I enjoyed “The Mandalorian” with Gina Carano in it and I don’t think her offensive tweet (the one that got her cancelled) was Anti-Semitic. She was just making another bad Nazi analogy, which conservatives are wont to do.

Really? I thought she sucked and all I got from her performance was that she belonged on a show like wwf raw, instead.

 

[Aikouka]

Given that this was a discussion with Fox News, I would agree with Mr. Cheadle in regard to the specific instances that are likely being referenced by Fox News (e.g. Gina Carrano). However, I do think that we have an issue with cancel culture, but I don't think the issue is cancel culture itself. The problem is that people fire their metaphorical guns a bit too early and without knowing the whole story. To be clear, this isn't talking about seeing months of someone's malignant Twitter history or a video of a country music star nonchalantly dropping the n-bomb. The problem is with how there are enough holes in the existing reporting where someone should logically say "this could be bad, but I don't have enough to make an informed decision"; however, they end up filling the holes with whatever satisfies their cognitive bias. An example of this was when people latched onto the narrative that those Kentucky Christian school students were surrounding that Native American man as an act of intimidation, but that narrative was just an assumption. It turned out was wrong, but it didn't stop people from latching onto it because of the MAGA-centric nature of those teens.

One thing that makes this bad is that once it's on the Internet, it's out there. Sure, this can include bad tweets/posts that you did make, but it can also include articles/posts about someone that are arguably based upon assumption or presumed guilt. What happens when that person is found to not have done what was suspected? An example of this would be the ScreenJunkies' Andy Signore. He will admit that he did use his position of power to flirt with and make advances on fans, which is bad, but he also had sexual harassment allegations made against him. Those allegations turned out to be false, but the damage was done.

All I know is that I enjoyed “The Mandalorian” with Gina Carano in it and I don’t think her offensive tweet (the one that got her cancelled) was Anti-Semitic. She was just making another bad Nazi analogy, which conservatives are wont to do.

As a note, most of the disdain for her comes from the collection of tweets and posts that include topics such as anti-vax, anti-mask, etc. I'll have to look into theses tweets/posts more because I haven't personally seen them; I've only seen them mentioned as part of the story. I actually agree that her latest tweet wasn't nearly as bad as I expected based upon the narrative being pushed. That doesn't mean that I cared for its message or even thought it was accurate, but I do think most of the vitriol for her is a combination of everything.

 

[MrSquished]

I'm old enough to remember when the Dixie Chicks pretty much got erased from Country music radio stations for daring criticize George W Bush for the reprehensible Iraq War and countless other companies conservatives have boycotted or lashed out against. Even cult leader Trump himself urged a boycott of Goodyear Tires, an iconic symbol of American industry. Cry me a fucking river for these piece of shit whiny hypocritical conservatives.

 

[Meghan54]

What the fuck are you talking about?! What an utterly ridiculous thing to say that has no basis in reality.

He must be referring to the conservative cancel culture of the Dixie Chicks because they dared criticize GWB for the Iraq War. That's the cancel culture he's talking about....I'm positive!!!

 

[UNCjigga]

Really? I thought she sucked and all I got from her performance was that she belonged on a show like wwf raw, instead.

She can’t deliver dialog, sure, but she has presence. Do you watch Mando for the dialog, though?

I think in one of her older movies, her delivery was so bad they ended up dubbing her lines in post with another actress.

 

[ivwshane]

She can’t deliver dialog, sure, but she has presence. Do you watch Mando for the dialog, though?

I think in one of her older movies, her delivery was so bad they ended up dubbing her lines in post with another actress.

Lol presence? Like, as in taking up space? Well yeah I can agree with that.

 

[UNCjigga]

Given that this was a discussion with Fox News, I would agree with Mr. Cheadle in regard to the specific instances that are likely being referenced by Fox News (e.g. Gina Carrano). However, I do think that we have an issue with cancel culture, but I don't think the issue is cancel culture itself. The problem is that people fire their metaphorical guns a bit too early and without knowing the whole story. To be clear, this isn't talking about seeing months of someone's malignant Twitter history or a video of a country music star nonchalantly dropping the n-bomb. The problem is with how there are enough holes in the existing reporting where someone should logically say "this could be bad, but I don't have enough to make an informed decision"; however, they end up filling the holes with whatever satisfies their cognitive bias. An example of this was when people latched onto the narrative that those Kentucky Christian school students were surrounding that Native American man as an act of intimidation, but that narrative was just an assumption. It turned out was wrong, but it didn't stop people from latching onto it because of the MAGA-centric nature of those teens.

One thing that makes this bad is that once it's on the Internet, it's out there. Sure, this can include bad tweets/posts that you did make, but it can also include articles/posts about someone that are arguably based upon assumption or presumed guilt. What happens when that person is found to not have done what was suspected? An example of this would be the ScreenJunkies' Andy Signore. He will admit that he did use his position of power to flirt with and make advances on fans, which is bad, but he also had sexual harassment allegations made against him. Those allegations turned out to be false, but the damage was done.



As a note, most of the disdain for her comes from the collection of tweets and posts that include topics such as anti-vax, anti-mask, etc. I'll have to look into theses tweets/posts more because I haven't personally seen them; I've only seen them mentioned as part of the story. I actually agree that her latest tweet wasn't nearly as bad as I expected based upon the narrative being pushed. That doesn't mean that I cared for its message or even thought it was accurate, but I do think most of the vitriol for her is a combination of everything.

Even all of her tweets/beliefs as a whole don’t amount to anything meriting cancellation. Go ahead and cancel Joss Whedon or Shia LeBeef or Johnny Depp or anyone else who beats women, treats people on set like shit or makes untoward advances. I don’t care if Carano is an asshole any more than I care about James Woods or Jon Voight when I’m watching their old shit.

 

[HomerJS]

How does a person being boycotted by no less than half of society, "defend themself"?
Cut off from employment, cut off from social media, cut off from anything liberals have a controlling interest in?
Being blacklisted with a scarlet letter has consequences. It is not just life as normal.

Looks for a bat shit crazy Congressional district and run for office. It worked pretty well for MTG.

Ever heard of personal responsibility?

 

[WelshBloke]

Republicans were told their speech is not acceptable on Twitter.

You keep saying this but what Conservative or Republican views that have been expressed that have got people banned from social media?

 

[shortylickens]

How does a person being boycotted by no less than half of society, "defend themself"?
Cut off from employment, cut off from social media, cut off from anything liberals have a controlling interest in?
Being blacklisted with a scarlet letter has consequences. It is not just life as normal.

Being blacklisted is quite different from people just not wanting to watch you.
Joe McCarthy got a ton of people blacklisted using his political clout, ruining their lives. He unfairly and probably illegally used his government authority to intimidate Hollywood who in turned cut off perfectly loyal, patriotic Americans from just about everything.

Richard Nixon was not "blacklisted". The nation as a whole decided he was a piece of shit & he took the fuckin hint and quit his job. The main had the basic intelligence to avoid whining for attention from the public cuz he understood he wasn't popular anymore.

And "The Liberals" dont control anything. Its just people. "The Liberals" are not a group or an entity, not the way Fox News describes them. People are sick of Donald and a handful of other horrible terrible assholes and are slowly choosing to ignore him. No one has been cut off or "canceled". And if any of them need to defend themselves its because they've been horrible terrible monsters for a very long time AND the general public is starting to see it and dislike them.
They can go on whatever extremist nutjob talk show will have them and share their opinions, and the public can still ignore or respond to them as they see fit.
Literally nothing has changed. No one is under assault. Thats just hyperbole used to drum up anger to push an agenda. And it works really well because Americans in the 21st century have more emotion than intellect.

 

[Pohemi]

How does a person being boycotted by no less than half of society, "defend themself"?
Cut off from employment, cut off from social media, cut off from anything liberals have a controlling interest in?
Being blacklisted with a scarlet letter has consequences. It is not just life as normal.

Words have consequences. Stop with the victimization. Don't be a shitbag person and you won't get "cancelled". Capiche?

Just don't call for violence, use ethnic slurs, or spread baseless nonsense that is tearing our country apart, and you can be as blood red as you want to be. Is it really that hard?

What the fuck are you talking about?! What an utterly ridiculous thing to say that has no basis in reality.

His victimhood whiteknighting is legendary.

I think in one of her older movies, her delivery was so bad they ended up dubbing her lines in post with another actress.

Might've been the first Deadpool. Actually, she may have had no speaking lines...idr now but I know she didn't say much.

 

[Aikouka]

Even all of her tweets/beliefs as a whole don’t amount to anything meriting cancellation. Go ahead and cancel Joss Whedon or Shia LeBeef or Johnny Depp or anyone else who beats women, treats people on set like shit or makes untoward advances. I don’t care if Carano is an asshole any more than I care about James Woods or Jon Voight when I’m watching their old shit.

I think it largely comes down to putting your money where your mouth is. If you aren't a fan of anti-vax or anti-mask rhetoric, then why support someone that espouses them? I think it depends on the person/actor in question, but there becomes a point where if someone acts up enough, people just get fed up with it. It may seem a little unfair with Gina Carano, because I don't think she was big/popular enough for people to brush off her antics for long. Looking at this from another direction, I don't think this is any different than not wanting to eat at Chic-Fil-A because a portion of their proceeds go toward donations that go to charities that support anti-LGBT rhetoric.

Although, on a side note, I thought it was Amber Herd that was allegedly physically assaulting Johnny Depp?

 

[shortylickens]

You keep saying this but what Conservative or Republican views that have been expressed that have got people banned from social media?

Donald and some of his people have been banned from Twitter and Facebook for repeatedly sharing horrible misinformation about the election. A massive campaign of misinformation that actually ended up causing problems. These companies just didnt want to be part of that kind of irresponsibility and destruction.

 

[pauldun170]

All I know is that I enjoyed “The Mandalorian” with Gina Carano in it and I don’t think her offensive tweet (the one that got her cancelled) was Anti-Semitic. She was just making another bad Nazi analogy, which conservatives are wont to do.

I too enjoyed seeing her on Mandalorian even though she kinda sucked at the whole actor thing. I wrote it off as more directors discretion to not push the actress more (it happens). Admittedly, she kinda made my pants tight from time to time so I didn't care.

She apparently had developed a history of questionable tweets and continued to double down. It's one thing to let crap slip. It's another to ignore advice and continue to poke and prod the bear.
She, like anyone who is a publicly facing employee, represents the company. She, like other actors on the show are spokespersons for high profile property with millions of dollars invested.
This is also Diz-fuckin-knee we are talking about.
She decided to ignore the hundreds of hints that she as the face of a Disney product needs to meet a certain standard and not taint the product with negative press.
Also counting against her is that there were already complaints about her wooden performance on the show.
Mandalorian isn't exactly the pinnacle of theater and if you are already being called out for a mediocre delivery, maybe acting like a dimwit on Twitter isn't the way to go.