Don Cheadle tells Fox News that cancel culture is a ‘fabrication’

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WelshBloke

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Donald and some of his people have been banned from Twitter and Facebook for repeatedly sharing horrible misinformation about the election. A massive campaign of misinformation that actually ended up causing problems. These companies just didnt want to be part of that kind of irresponsibility and destruction.
I get that but the point is that they aren't being banned for being Conservatives or Republicans, they are being banned for misusing a social media platform in a misinformation campaign.
 
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I might argue that modern society is so interconnected and predicated on group-think... that these consequences are becoming much larger, more meaningful and impactful. Republicans were told their speech is not acceptable on Twitter. They make their own platform. That platform is ripped off the internet. So now they have to build their own internet just to communicate?

To realize their actual freedom they will need to start with a State sponsor. Be it foreign or domestic. An organization of law and authority that will not oppose their existence.

Bootstraps and free market for them? I think they love those things. Or so i've heard them say at least. But they are strong in the hypocrisy game, so maybe they lie. Hmmm
 
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kt

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All I know is that I enjoyed “The Mandalorian” with Gina Carano in it and I don’t think her offensive tweet (the one that got her cancelled) was Anti-Semitic. She was just making another bad Nazi analogy, which conservatives are wont to do.
It wasn't a single tweet that landed her in this situation. She has a history of being Anti-Semitic among other things and this last round of tweet was the last straw for her.

I am indifferent about her character in "The Mandalorian" and to be honest I am not sure how she would be able to carry her own TV show.
 

shortylickens

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I get that but the point is that they aren't being banned for being Conservatives or Republicans, they are being banned for misusing a social media platform in a misinformation campaign.
Ahhh, I see your point now.

My point is the only people being banned or in danger of being banned are conservatives because they've gone completely off the deep end and are using both public conveyances (TV and radio) and private conveyances (social media programs and websites) to actually harm individuals and the nation and in some cases commit outright crimes.

Its already been long established you cannot shout "FIRE!!" in a crowded movie theater and then later claim it was Freedom Of Speech.
Freedom of Speech has exceptions and one of them is deliberately causing situations leading to deaths. Donald and many conservative pundits have been pushing those boundaries for years and it finally caught up with some of them.
 

MrSquished

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I too enjoyed seeing her on Mandalorian even though she kinda sucked at the whole actor thing. I wrote it off as more directors discretion to not push the actress more (it happens). Admittedly, she kinda made my pants tight from time to time so I didn't care.

She apparently had developed a history of questionable tweets and continued to double down. It's one thing to let crap slip. It's another to ignore advice and continue to poke and prod the bear.
She, like anyone who is a publicly facing employee, represents the company. She, like other actors on the show are spokespersons for high profile property with millions of dollars invested.
This is also Diz-fuckin-knee we are talking about.
She decided to ignore the hundreds of hints that she as the face of a Disney product needs to meet a certain standard and not taint the product with negative press.
Also counting against her is that there were already complaints about her wooden performance on the show.
Mandalorian isn't exactly the pinnacle of theater and if you are already being called out for a mediocre delivery, maybe acting like a dimwit on Twitter isn't the way to go.

This. She is a repeat offender and this is a fucking Disney franchise, you really think you can repeatedly say dumb shit including trivializing the Holocaust and work for Disney? They removed Depp from the Pirates franchise now due to his bad behaviour.

She is a fucking trashy idiot and all the right wingers crying about this are hypocritical trash.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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How does a person being boycotted by no less than half of society, "defend themself"?
Cut off from employment, cut off from social media, cut off from anything liberals have a controlling interest in?
Being blacklisted with a scarlet letter has consequences. It is not just life as normal.

Haha, pretty rough when the shoe is on the other foot. These "canceled" people can gtfo and go find something else to do. Maybe destroy a keurig or something edgy like that.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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It wasn't a single tweet that landed her in this situation. She has a history of being Anti-Semitic among other things and this last round of tweet was the last straw for her.

I am indifferent about her character in "The Mandalorian" and to be honest I am not sure how she would be able to carry her own TV show.
She wouldnt.
She's an awesome action star but she cant act for shit. HOWEVER, the point here is she wasnt fired for being a shit actress. She was a shit actress and she got hired anyway. The point is she was let go for expressing shit political opinions, and the argument is whether someone should be fired for expressing shit political opinions.

Donald was most certainly not reelected because he did a terrible job as president. Its unlikely him stating nonsense on Twitter swayed a significant number of votes either way. The American voter has shown time and time again they care less about speech and opinions, and more about actual performance. Unemployment numbers are a major component in votes. And last year there was also a pandemic which probably came into play. As has already been stated many times, if not for Coronavirus theres a decent chance he might have won again.
 

pauldun170

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She wouldnt.
She's an awesome action star but she cant act for shit. HOWEVER, the point here is she wasnt fired for being a shit actress. She was a shit actress and she got hired anyway. The point is she was let go for expressing shit political opinions, and the argument is whether someone should be fired for expressing shit political opinions.

Donald was most certainly not reelected because he did a terrible job as president. Its unlikely him stating nonsense on Twitter swayed a significant number of votes either way. The American voter has shown time and time again they care less about speech and opinions, and more about actual performance. Unemployment numbers are a major component in votes. And last year there was also a pandemic which probably came into play. As has already been stated many times, if not for Coronavirus theres a decent chance he might have won again.

The thing is, she wasn't fired for expressing political opinions.
She was fired for a pattern of poor conduct on public platforms that brought negative press to her employer.
 
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Veliko

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She's an awesome action star but she cant act for shit. HOWEVER, the point here is she wasnt fired for being a shit actress. She was a shit actress and she got hired anyway. The point is she was let go for expressing shit political opinions, and the argument is whether someone should be fired for expressing shit political opinions.

Being a shit actress wouldn't have done her any favours. She was fired for speaking shit and making her employer look bad.

I'm not convinced that being anti-vax and claiming that Joe Biden stole the elections can be classed as 'political opinions'.
 
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Leeea

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How does a person being boycotted by no less than half of society, "defend themself"?
Cut off from employment, cut off from social media, cut off from anything liberals have a controlling interest in?
Being blacklisted with a scarlet letter has consequences. It is not just life as normal.

Turns out there are consequences to being a racist piece of shit. Perhaps they should think before they open their mouth to spew hatred and violence.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
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The thing is, she wasn't fired for expressing political opinions.
She was fired for a pattern of poor conduct on public platforms that brought negative press to her employer.
thats the position I'm taking in this argument.

She did something incredibly stupid and probably should have consulted her agent or manager about these things before mouthing off.
I know better than to run my mouth publicly because I spent 9 years in the Navy.
 
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WelshBloke

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Ahhh, I see your point now.

My point is the only people being banned or in danger of being banned are conservatives because they've gone completely off the deep end and are using both public conveyances (TV and radio) and private conveyances (social media programs and websites) to actually harm individuals and the nation and in some cases commit outright crimes.
My point is that they aren't being banned for Conservative views. No ones banning them because they are advocating for low taxes and small government.
Just because you are a Republican doesn't mean that all your views are now the views of the Republican party!
 

kt

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She wouldnt.
She's an awesome action star but she cant act for shit. HOWEVER, the point here is she wasnt fired for being a shit actress. She was a shit actress and she got hired anyway. The point is she was let go for expressing shit political opinions, and the argument is whether someone should be fired for expressing shit political opinions.

Donald was most certainly not reelected because he did a terrible job as president. Its unlikely him stating nonsense on Twitter swayed a significant number of votes either way. The American voter has shown time and time again they care less about speech and opinions, and more about actual performance. Unemployment numbers are a major component in votes. And last year there was also a pandemic which probably came into play. As has already been stated many times, if not for Coronavirus theres a decent chance he might have won again.
But she's not getting fired for her shitty political views/opinions, she was fired for being a shitty human being.
 

Amused

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My thoughts on the people crying about "Cancel Culture."

For over a century now, white male Christian society has had the power to cancel things that offended them through boycotts and threats of boycotts.

That's called "freedom of association." People on the other side didn't agree with it, but hey... freedom of association.

But the conservative right even went further as to legally ban or put parental "warning labels" on many things using governmental action. ACTUAL suppression of free speech.

Kaepernick's cancelling was a last gasp of this centuries-long ability to cancel anything that offends conservative white male Christians.
And it signaled a political sea change.

The current issue today is that for the first time in history, a convergence of issues has caused the white male Christian social structure to no longer be the super majority they once were. And now, finally, their own cultural and social pressure tactics are being used against them for human and civil rights.

Now enough women have reached positions of power in government, law and business to shine a light on misogyny (#metoo) and using freedom of association to distance themselves from that.

Same for religious minorities.

Same for racial minorities.

"Cancel culture" is just a cry-baby name the conservatives have given to the same social pressure and power they've had a near monopoly on for centuries.

And meanwhile, conservatives seem to have lost their values that used to stand for for private property rights and freedom of association when, all in a single generation, those freedoms are now being used against them by "others".

Now conservatives suddenly sound downright communist as they seek to nationalize social media platforms and seek to end private property rights because all of a sudden, people are using their own freedom to not associate with bigots, racists and misogynists.

My final opinion? The shoes on the other foot now. Suffer bitches... cry more about "cancel culture." It's so fucking funny coming from "focus on the family" and "the moral majority."
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
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But she's not getting fired for her shitty political views/opinions, she was fired for being a shitty human being.
No she wasnt. She was always a shitty human being.
She got fired for publicly embarrassing her bosses.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Even all of her tweets/beliefs as a whole don’t amount to anything meriting cancellation. Go ahead and cancel Joss Whedon or Shia LeBeef or Johnny Depp or anyone else who beats women, treats people on set like shit or makes untoward advances. I don’t care if Carano is an asshole any more than I care about James Woods or Jon Voight when I’m watching their old shit.
Didn't it turn out that Amber Heard was the one abusing Johnny Depp?
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
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thats not what he was talking about.

He was talking about Johnny Depp being a mouthy d-bag, which he is.
You sure about that?
This was what he said: "Go ahead and cancel Joss Whedon or Shia LeBeef or Johnny Depp or anyone else who beats women ", so, uh, I think you're wrong on this one, shorty.
 
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Wreckem

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All I know is that I enjoyed “The Mandalorian” with Gina Carano in it and I don’t think her offensive tweet (the one that got her cancelled) was Anti-Semitic. She was just making another bad Nazi analogy, which conservatives are wont to do.
I too enjoyed seeing her on Mandalorian even though she kinda sucked at the whole actor thing. I wrote it off as more directors discretion to not push the actress more (it happens). Admittedly, she kinda made my pants tight from time to time so I didn't care.

She apparently had developed a history of questionable tweets and continued to double down. It's one thing to let crap slip. It's another to ignore advice and continue to poke and prod the bear.
She, like anyone who is a publicly facing employee, represents the company. She, like other actors on the show are spokespersons for high profile property with millions of dollars invested.
This is also Diz-fuckin-knee we are talking about.
She decided to ignore the hundreds of hints that she as the face of a Disney product needs to meet a certain standard and not taint the product with negative press.
Also counting against her is that there were already complaints about her wooden performance on the show.
Mandalorian isn't exactly the pinnacle of theater and if you are already being called out for a mediocre delivery, maybe acting like a dimwit on Twitter isn't the way to go.

This. She has been problematic for Disney for almost a year now. The terrible analogy and other stupid comments were the straw that broke the camels back.
 

feralkid

Lifer
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How does a person being boycotted by no less than half of society, "defend themself"?
Cut off from employment, cut off from social media, cut off from anything liberals have a controlling interest in?
Being blacklisted with a scarlet letter has consequences. It is not just life as normal.


Ohhh! You cursed libralz! Look what you've done! I'm melting! Melting! Oh, what a world! What a world! Who would have thought a little free speech could destroy my beautiful wickedness! Ohhh! Look out! Look out! I'm going! Ohhhh - Ohhhhhhhhhh!
 

Heartbreaker

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This. She has been problematic for Disney for almost a year now. The terrible analogy and other stupid comments were the straw that broke the camels back.

As much as the Trumpists are playing victim again, this isn't a left or right issue. It's a don't embarrass your very public employer with you public antics, issue.

Carano was given much more leeway than James Gunn was, after a RWNJ found his nearly 10 year old tasteless jokes.

Gunn profusely apologized and explained how he was early on starting out, trying (and failing) to do edgy humor. This was obviously years in his past, and would never happen again, and he had sincerely apologized.

Disney still fired him.

Carano has been at this non stop, and she recently had been ramping it up.

Given the instant announcement of her collaboration with Ben Shapiro and the fact that she had been ramping up her RWNJ posts, I suspect, she was trying to draw the public rebuke that she got, so she could play victim and direct attention to her Ben Shapiro project. It worked.

Great for her, that she found her niche in the fine company of Ted Nugent and Kevin Sorbo where she can act like an ass and receive praise for it...
 
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