I knew that years ago. This isn't the first time that's been said. I think perhaps it gets lost in the crazy rantings.
But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general's office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of "vital records," including an original "record of live birth" — even to the individual whose birth it records.
Requests for the Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii typically occur during the "Hawaiian Home Lands" program. This government social program provides a monetary benefit to Hawaiian citizens who are at least 18 years old and are native Hawaiians (at least 50 percent Hawaiian). The Hawaiian government requires applicants to provide proof of genealogy with their Hawaiian Home Lands applications. The government prefers that applicants provide Certificates of Live Birth.
The Certificate of Live Birth is also known as the "original birth certificate" or "long form." This form has additional information used for tracing heritage and is the preferred form by the Hawaiian State Department of Health. It is not computer-generated; it's generated by hand through a hospital employee from where the child was born
Freudian slip?President Obama is supposed to force the State of Hawaii to violate its own statutes so the Birthers can finally have a valid cause for his impeachment.
So now Hawaii won't release copies of the long forms? When was that changed?
It says "prefers". I'm guessing that is for people who would still have their original copies ... or you can think it was changed via executive order circa January '09.
(g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is:
(1) A person who has a direct and tangible interest in the record but requests a verification in lieu of a certified copy;
"§338-14.5 Copies of certificate; fees.
(c) Notwithstanding subsection (b), the department may issue, for an additional fee as described in section 338-14.5(b), a copy of the birth record of a person of civic prominence to a member of the general public who requests the record in a form and manner as prescribed by the department.
Dunno, but it was. My guess is it was prompted by the overwhelming interest of birthers making requests for documents and the frequent misunderstanding that the COLB was somehow not a valid gov't issued document. Streamlining probably made sense for the HI govt. Alternatively, they're in on it.
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Obama's birth records have become equivalent to JFK's assassination. There's so much misinformation and bullshit circulating, and people are so locked into one theory or another, that it's hard to tell anything with certainty. Nonetheless, I think we can say three things with reasonable certainty.Actually, I don't believe it has changed. I.e., everything I see says you can still get a copy of your certificate (not certification, which is what Obama released).
It's in section 338 of Hawaiian law/statutes. http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm
Notice particularly section 338 (g)(1)
Under current statute, you only get a verification (the Certification of Live Birth Obama released) if you specifically request that instead of certified copy.
Also note pending legislation. http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/Bills/HB1116_.HTM
The purpose of this pending legislation is to allow public access to the actual birth records of officials who require United States citizenship to hold public office. This is accomplished in the bill by expanding the list of people allowed access to the records (enumerated in sub-section (b)):
There is a lot of mis-information circulating. At one time the anti-birthers used the claim that Hawaii's refusal to now release originals was BS by the birthers. Now we see anti-birthers claiming that release is illegal as an argument against birthers. It's come full circle.
Anyway, my point is that I believe the Hawaiian official mis-spoke. The current relevent law appears to allow it's release. Nor could I find anything in Department policy (sec 92F IIRC) preventing it.
If it were outlawed, the above bill would have to reverse that before permitting release to the general public. It doesn't. I suspect because there's no need to because such a prohibition doesn't exist.
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And assuming you believe the governor when he says the original certificate is now lost, it's now a moot issue by anyone's standards.
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And assuming you believe the governor when he says the original certificate is now lost, it's now a moot issue by anyone's standards.
My mistake. I really don't follow this whole saga.This is not true either, the gov never said it, it was repeated second hand and later clarified. And from today's article:
"the original so-called "long form" birth certificate described by Hawaiian officials as a "record of live birth" absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it twice."
Certainly is secretive, and the SS number is indeed another mystery.His grandmother stating that he was born in Kenya is what fueled the whole thing. She has retracted that statement through relatives but the time frame between the two statements only intensified the situation.
The man is very secretive. Transcripts, records, published articles, et al., all having for all intents and purposes disappearing help fuel the fire. I'm surprised nobody has brought up the controversy over his SS number. When you put the whole package together, reasonable people start wondering. Lots of folks like a good conspiracy theory and I'm guilty of that myself.
IMO there would be an appearance of demeaning the office were Obama to respond to any of these allegations. However, I must say that I'm not sure he could demean it much more. His incessant bowing to world leaders, his hitting the late-night talk show circuit after attaining the office to name a few of his transgressions has already brought the stature of a position that is widely considered to be the leader of the free world into question.
Regardless, these issues will never be addressed. Certainly not when he occupies the office and not after he leaves. Current presidents and former presidents are more or less plated in Teflon. We'll all be dead before these issues are ever settled if they are ever settled at all.
Still, let Trump continue. As I said, I likes me a good conspiracy theory.
This is not true either, the gov never said it, it was repeated second hand and later clarified. And from today's article:
"the original so-called "long form" birth certificate described by Hawaiian officials as a "record of live birth" absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it twice."
Uh, you mean about 10 seconds until a clear denial during a phone call which clearly does fit in with simply confusion over translation issues or mishearing things over a long distance international phoneline???His grandmother stating that he was born in Kenya is what fueled the whole thing. She has retracted that statement through relatives but the time frame between the two statements only intensified the situation.
Check the timeline. I'm pretty sure Fukimo's remarks are prior to the governor's.
Otherwise, we'd have a case of underling outright contradicting her Boss.
I think (and could be wrong) after the governor's gaffe, the state of Hawaii has been silent on the matter.
His grandmother stating that he was born in Kenya is what fueled the whole thing. She has retracted that statement through relatives but the time frame between the two statements only intensified the situation.
Obama's birth records have become equivalent to JFK's assassination. There's so much misinformation and bullshit circulating, and people are so locked into one theory or another, that it's hard to tell anything with certainty.
Sorry, Matt, but it just makes you look a bit dim....Asking to see the Original birth certificate makes you a racist psychopath right wing whacko.
It doesn't necessarily mark you as unintelligent, but pressing the point in the face of all logic and evidence does raise the question.See ???
Careful. People call you every name in the book and denounce your intelligence if you don't agree 100% with exactly the way the Messiah and his administration explains everything regardless of any anomalies you may find. Asking to see the Original birth certificate makes you a racist psychopath right wing whacko.
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WorldNutDaily has a birther timeline with hundreds of articles tracking the entire debacle, and it "started" with the initial completely unfounded claims that the COLB he posted on his website was fake...
Nah- it just makes you a conspiracy theory nut job. If the original were produced, it too would be questioned, doubted, used to stir the shit a little deeper down in the nonsensical minds of Birthers.
I mean, you guys believed in Iraqi WMD's and their reconstituted nuclear program, even believed stories about Spetsnaz forces carrying them off to the Bekaa valley. You believe that Gitmo wasn't just a grandstand play for domestic political advantage, and you've believed in deregulated trickledown economics for 30 years, so why not believe Obama wasn't born in this country, right?
With a head full of lies, one more won't hurt, huh?