Donald Trump releases his birth certificate, demands Obama does the same

[thraashman]

i poke into this thread for a good laugh once in a while...its like going to 4 chan...but worse..

I know what you mean, the longer this thread goes on the funnier and at the same time stupider it gets.

 

[werepossum]

Trump may actually have a shot. According to this McPaper article, only 38% of ALL Americans say Obama was definitely born in America. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2011-04-25-trump-president-poll.htm

Then again, maybe not. Although only a third of Trump supporters question whether or not the President was born in America, according to this same poll 63% of Americans say they will definitely not vote for Trump.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I suppose if you wilfully desire to ignore facts then anything has the ability to gain traction. Every single legitimate person or body has dismissed this whole issue as nonsense and yet it just won't go away as long as there are people who will dismiss everything that dosen't fit their desired outcome.

Case in point:

Dr. Chiyome Fukino, a former director of the Hawaii Department of Health and a Republican, told CNN in her most extensive comments to date that she has "no doubt" Obama was born in the state.
Obama's 2008 campaign produced a certification of live birth, a document legally accepted as confirmation of a birth and routinely used for official purposes. Fukino went one step further, taking advantage of a state law that allows certain public officials to examine a person's actual birth certificate if there is a "direct and tangible interest."
The president's certificate, she said, is stored in a vault in the building that houses the Department of Health. Ironically, unlike the certificate of live birth, it is no longer accepted for official usage.
Obama's certificate is "absolutely authentic," she said. "He was absolutely born here in the state of Hawaii."

But hey. Since whackjob Billy in his trailer home hasn't seen it for himself it must not exist.

I also love the claims over and over that Obama has "spent millions to hide his past". He hasn't. He has incurred total legal fees of over $2M since he became President. Not to hide his past. Of course with the countless challenges from every nutter who can file a suit the costs aren't surprising. They have all been dismissed without merit but that's not important to the birthers.

Then you have "his grandmother said she was there when he was born". I can't help but wonder if those people listened to the ENTIRE recording. Especially the part immediately after where that statement (which of course was relayed through 2 translators) was immediately retracted. The question itself was also so very leading it's laughable. "I want to go see where he was born, in Kenya". Now that's objectivity right there.

 

[CitizenKain]

I know what you mean, the longer this thread goes on the funnier and at the same time stupider it gets.

I'm surprised this thing is still going, but birthers are morons and expecting them to learn anything is pretty hopeless.

 

[CallMeJoe]

I'm surprised this thing is still going, but birthers are morons and expecting them to learn anything is pretty hopeless.

We don't know for certain that Birthers are morons.

Of course, unless they can present complete certified copies of their original intelligence tests, accompanied by full academic transcripts, who knows what they are hiding?

 

[HomerJS]

Trump may actually have a shot. According to this McPaper article, only 38% of ALL Americans say Obama was definitely born in America. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2011-04-25-trump-president-poll.htm

Then again, maybe not. Although only a third of Trump supporters question whether or not the President was born in America, according to this same poll 63% of Americans say they will definitely not vote for Trump.

Keep trying to justify those crazy birthers. 56% of all people say definately or probably born here. Trump percentage is 63%. That stat is meaningless.

The telling stat is 51% of the GOP is definate he is not born here.

 

[umbrella39]

I'm surprised this thing is still going, but birthers are morons and expecting them to learn anything is pretty hopeless.

Birther thread tops 500 replies. It is nice to see the saran wrap still clinging to this. It's worse than pathetic.

 

[jonks]

Trump may actually have a shot. According to this McPaper article, only 38% of ALL Americans say Obama was definitely born in America. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2011-04-25-trump-president-poll.htm

Then again, maybe not. Although only a third of Trump supporters question whether or not the President was born in America, according to this same poll 63% of Americans say they will definitely not vote for Trump.

If he even runs I'll buy you a sodypop. An expensive one. 2 liters. Seriously don't think it's gonna happen though

 

[Imp]

Anderson Cooper did an interview with him yesterday. It's a two parter, rest is airing tonight uncut.

My god Trump's an idiot and an asshole. He's just flinging allegations left and right, and when asked for the source he says "it's inappropriate to comment on". If the president were a private citizen, Trump would have his ass sued to hell. Unfortunately, doing that makes him look guilty.

 

[werepossum]

Keep trying to justify those crazy birthers. 56% of all people say definately or probably born here. Trump percentage is 63%. That stat is meaningless.

The telling stat is 51% of the GOP is definate he is not born here.

Justify them? I think birthers are crazy, as crazy as Bush's 9-11 truthers.

If he even runs I'll buy you a sodypop. An expensive one. 2 liters. Seriously don't think it's gonna happen though

I don't think he's going to run either, although you never know. Sometimes people begin believing their own press releases.

I have a theory about birthers and truthers. I think a lot of these people don't really believe the conspiracy, they merely dislike the respective President so much that they jump on anything that harms or reflects badly on him.

 

[jonks]

The new one is Trump 'heard' Obama wasn't a good student when he was editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduated with honors. This from Trump, who says he went to the best schools and, direct quote here, "did good". All that's missing is the oversized shoes and red nose-horn.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The new one is Trump 'heard' Obama wasn't a good student when he was editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduated with honors. This from Trump, who says he went to the best schools and, direct quote here, "did good". All that's missing is the oversized shoes and red nose-horn.

I thought last month no one remembered Obama from school? Guess birtherism really does affect your ability to keep your own bullshit straight, huh Donald?

 

[HomerJS]

Justify them? I think birthers are crazy, as crazy as Bush's 9-11 truthers.


I don't think he's going to run either, although you never know. Sometimes people begin believing their own press releases.

I have a theory about birthers and truthers. I think a lot of these people don't really believe the conspiracy, they merely dislike the respective President so much that they jump on anything that harms or reflects badly on him.

Problem is GOP birthers outnumber Dem truthers 2-1. Ok we have a lot less crazy people.

Considering Bush got a memo that said Bin Laden going to attack negligence is more likely.

 

[werepossum]

Problem is GOP birthers outnumber Dem truthers 2-1. Ok we have a lot less crazy people.

Considering Bush got a memo that said Bin Laden going to attack negligence is more likely.

The Bush briefing memo, for those who care. http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/pdb080601.pdf

Trump is now saying that Obama's original long form birth certificate is missing, whereas Hawaii's Dems are stating that it is there, but no one can see it. (Kind of like the Ethiopian priest who claims to have the Ark of the Covenant but no one is allowed to see it.) If Trump is correct, this makes me think of the state employees who illegally accessed and publicized the records of Joe the Plumber, or the State Department employees who illegally accessed and publicized the records of Linda Tripp. A lot of people have access to such original records, some of whom will no doubt be infected with "situational ethics". Obviously we cannot allow such a loss to automatically disqualify political candidates. I think a lot of the bills proposed and perhaps actually passed are not thinking beyond Obama.

 

[werepossum]

The new one is Trump 'heard' Obama wasn't a good student when he was editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduated with honors. This from Trump, who says he went to the best schools and, direct quote here, "did good". All that's missing is the oversized shoes and red nose-horn.

Gotta hold something back for the announcement.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The Bush briefing memo, for those who care. http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/pdb080601.pdf

Trump is now saying that Obama's original long form birth certificate is missing, whereas Hawaii's Dems are stating that it is there, but no one can see it. (Kind of like the Ethiopian priest who claims to have the Ark of the Covenant but no one is allowed to see it.) If Trump is correct, this makes me think of the state employees who illegally accessed and publicized the records of Joe the Plumber, or the State Department employees who illegally accessed and publicized the records of Linda Tripp. A lot of people have access to such original records, some of whom will no doubt be infected with "situational ethics". Obviously we cannot allow such a loss to automatically disqualify political candidates. I think a lot of the bills proposed and perhaps actually passed are not thinking beyond Obama.

As I posted earlier Hawaii's Republicans are the ones on record validating it's existence.

 

[werepossum]

As I posted earlier Hawaii's Republicans are the ones on record validating it's existence.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Republicans are the former governor who said she'd seen it in the past, whereas the Dems are the ones saying that it is there now.

However my point was that someone could say "That evil commie Muslim Obama is far too dangerous to be allowed to run, so I'll just nip his original birth certificate." Mind you, I'm not saying that HAS happened to Obama, but as Joe whatzisface and Linda Tripp can attest, it certainly WILL happen to someone in the future if that's established as an absolute way to disqualify someone for President.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Republicans are the former governor who said she'd seen it in the past, whereas the Dems are the ones saying that it is there now.

However my point was that someone could say "That evil commie Muslim Obama is far too dangerous to be allowed to run, so I'll just nip his original birth certificate." Mind you, I'm not saying that HAS happened to Obama, but as Joe whatzisface and Linda Tripp can attest, it certainly WILL happen to someone in the future if that's established as an absolute way to disqualify someone for President.

Actually it was a former Director of the Hawaii Department of Health who was a Republican.

As to the second part, no point in anyone taking it anyway except to allow the nonsense to continue. It's not even accepted officially any more. Only the COLB.

The president's certificate, she said, is stored in a vault in the building that houses the Department of Health. Ironically, unlike the certificate of live birth, it is no longer accepted for official usage.

 

[werepossum]

Actually it was a former Director of the Hawaii Department of Health who was a Republican.

As to the second part, no point in anyone taking it anyway except to allow the nonsense to continue. It's not even accepted officially any more. Only the COLB.

Ah, my bad, but the former governor was a Pubby too, right? I don't actually follow birtherism except this thread so I'm a little hazy on the cast.

 

[jonks]

This is really precious stuff.

Anderson Cooper: We’ve interviewed the former director of the Hawaii Department of Health, a Republican, one of two state officials who’s seen the original birth certificate in the Department of Health vault. She says she hasn’t been contacted by your people. Isn’t that someone they should talk to if they’re there?
Donald Trump: Well I’ve been told very recently, Anderson, that the birth certificate is missing, I’ve been told that’s it not there or it doesn’t exist. And if that’s the case it’s a big problem.
AC: Who told you that?
DT: I just heard that two days ago from somebody.
AC: From your investigators?
DT: I don’t’ want to say who but I’m told that it’s either not there or it’s missing. I feel badly about that because I’d love for him to produce the birth certificate so that you can fight one on one. If you look at what he’s doing on fuel prices, you can do a great fight one on one -- you don’t need this issue

 

[Fern]

This is really precious stuff.

Anderson Cooper: We’ve interviewed the former director of the Hawaii Department of Health, a Republican, one of two state officials who’s seen the original birth certificate in the Department of Health vault. She says she hasn’t been contacted by your people. Isn’t that someone they should talk to if they’re there?

-snip-

What would be the point of talking to her?

She's already on record, and by law can't disclose any more than she's already done.

She's an ex-employee, anything Trump might get from her couldn't be used, it would be uncoraborated 'hear-say' (unless she herself came out and made an 'official' statement or provided an affidavit).

Fern

 

[Fern]

-snip-
It's not even accepted officially any more. Only the COLB.

I don't believe that's correct. It wasn't that long ago when Hawaii switched to pc generated forms. Everybody in the damn state would have to re-apply for their newer BC etc. Also, you can find othe state's website where they strongly encourage you to obtain and provide the copy of the long form for certain state purposes. In fact, until this issue hit the fan only the long form was accepted for certain state purposes (now changed to strongly encouraged).

Another one I hear is that you can't get a copy of the original long form, that's not true either. Hawaiian law on the books still states the ways you can get it.


Lot of misinformation around this subject.

Fern

 

[Aegeon]

Also, you can find othe state's website where they strongly encourage you to obtain and provide the copy of the long form for certain state purposes. In fact, until this issue hit the fan only the long form was accepted for certain state purposes (now changed to strongly encouraged).

Lot of misinformation around this subject.

Fern

Indeed you are persisting with this outright lie even after it has clearly been previously debunked on this forum. At most, there were a couple locations where they asked for a bit of supporting documentation in addition to the certificate of live birth, there never was a location where it was not accepted period.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I don't believe that's correct. It wasn't that long ago when Hawaii switched to pc generated forms. Everybody in the damn state would have to re-apply for their newer BC etc. Also, you can find othe state's website where they strongly encourage you to obtain and provide the copy of the long form for certain state purposes. In fact, until this issue hit the fan only the long form was accepted for certain state purposes (now changed to strongly encouraged).

Another one I hear is that you can't get a copy of the original long form, that's not true either. Hawaiian law on the books still states the ways you can get it.


Lot of misinformation around this subject.

Fern

Because, as you stated, you don't personally believe it doesn't make it misinformation. Since what I posted is coming from the former Director of Public Health for the State of Hawaii I'm more inclined to believe her personally.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

As much as it pains me to quote Faux News,

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate/

DEVELOPING ...
The White House has released President Obama's long-form birth certificate.

Let the forgery accusations begin. It will be interesting to see how the birthers go about dismissing this.