Don't be offended if your online bank "fires" you

kranky

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I was at a speech by the president of ING Direct the other day and he shared some interesting insights into their success.

Their strategy is to be more like a retailer than a bank. They offer just 8 financial products to keep things simple. They want using the web site to be simple. All of this is to keep costs down. All the "experts" told them they were making a big mistake by not pushing other products onto online customers like the other banks do, but ING found from their own research that customers want to be on and off the site in 15 seconds, so they keep their site very basic. In fact, they feel their growth is largely based on the simplicity of their operation. He pointed out that ING is consistently rated as the worst web site by industry metrics, which only points out that the industry has no clue what customers really want. When the experts ask people what they want in an online banking site, they come up with a long list of fancy requirements. What actual customer behavior shows is they prefer a very simple site.

They are getting 100,000 new customers a month, nearly half from word-of-mouth referrals from existing customers, so they believe they are doing things right. But they are also "firing" between 2,000 to 5,000 customers every month as well (meaning ING has chosen to close the account). This is done when a customer is too costly and too demanding; in other words, the customer calls and emails too much.
 
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Originally posted by: kranky
I was at a speech by the president of ING Direct the other day and he shared some interesting insights into their success.

Their strategy is to be more like a retailer than a bank. They offer just 8 financial products to keep things simple. They want using the web site to be simple. All of this is to keep costs down. All the "experts" told them they were making a big mistake by not pushing other products onto online customers like the other banks do, but ING found from their own research that customers want to be on and off the site in 15 seconds, so they keep their site very basic. In fact, they feel their growth is largely based on the simplicity of their operation. He pointed out that ING is consistently rated as the worst web site by industry metrics, which only points out that the industry has no clue what customers really want. When the experts ask people what they want in an online banking site, they come up with a long list of fancy requirements. What actual customer behavior shows is they prefer a very simple site.

They are getting 100,000 new customers a month, nearly half from word-of-mouth referrals from existing customers, so they believe they are doing things right. But they are also "firing" between 2,000 to 5,000 customers every month as well (meaning ING has chosen to close the account). This is done when a customer is too costly and too demanding; in other words, the customer calls and emails too much.

If someone is going to be a whiney bitch, kick 'em to the curb. :thumbsup:

 

erub

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Originally posted by: Mike
Originally posted by: kranky
I was at a speech by the president of ING Direct the other day and he shared some interesting insights into their success.

Their strategy is to be more like a retailer than a bank. They offer just 8 financial products to keep things simple. They want using the web site to be simple. All of this is to keep costs down. All the "experts" told them they were making a big mistake by not pushing other products onto online customers like the other banks do, but ING found from their own research that customers want to be on and off the site in 15 seconds, so they keep their site very basic. In fact, they feel their growth is largely based on the simplicity of their operation. He pointed out that ING is consistently rated as the worst web site by industry metrics, which only points out that the industry has no clue what customers really want. When the experts ask people what they want in an online banking site, they come up with a long list of fancy requirements. What actual customer behavior shows is they prefer a very simple site.

They are getting 100,000 new customers a month, nearly half from word-of-mouth referrals from existing customers, so they believe they are doing things right. But they are also "firing" between 2,000 to 5,000 customers every month as well (meaning ING has chosen to close the account). This is done when a customer is too costly and too demanding; in other words, the customer calls and emails too much.

If someone is going to be a whiney bitch, kick 'em to the curb. :thumbsup:

Ah the famous 90/10 rule, 90% of your complaints come from 10% of your customers (or in this case, 2-5% of your customers). I've only had to call ING once since I got them maybe 7 years ago, to change my phone number (weird it couldn't be done online).

 

jmcoreymv

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Oct 9, 1999
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INGs website is great. The only thing I dislike is that I have to remember a customer number instead of a nickname.
 

Safeway

Lifer
Jun 22, 2004
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I like ING, they are my preferred online banking site. I keep the bulk of my money elsewhere, but the account works great as a checking acct funding source/money hub.
 

axelfox

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Originally posted by: kranky
I was at a speech by the president of ING Direct the other day and he shared some interesting insights into their success.

Their strategy is to be more like a retailer than a bank. They offer just 8 financial products to keep things simple. They want using the web site to be simple. All of this is to keep costs down. All the "experts" told them they were making a big mistake by not pushing other products onto online customers like the other banks do, but ING found from their own research that customers want to be on and off the site in 15 seconds, so they keep their site very basic. In fact, they feel their growth is largely based on the simplicity of their operation. He pointed out that ING is consistently rated as the worst web site by industry metrics, which only points out that the industry has no clue what customers really want. When the experts ask people what they want in an online banking site, they come up with a long list of fancy requirements. What actual customer behavior shows is they prefer a very simple site.

They are getting 100,000 new customers a month, nearly half from word-of-mouth referrals from existing customers, so they believe they are doing things right. But they are also "firing" between 2,000 to 5,000 customers every month as well (meaning ING has chosen to close the account). This is done when a customer is too costly and too demanding; in other words, the customer calls and emails too much.

But isn't their behavior limited to the confines of the website? Don't the customers tell banks what they want because they can't do it on the website in the first place?
 

daveymark

Lifer
Sep 15, 2003
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I've had multiple accounts at ING for a while now, my preferred bank of choice.

of course, the $$$ I get for referring people doesn't hurt either
 

Jeff7

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Jan 4, 2001
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What's that saying? I remember reading it somewhere online. "Customer service costs will eat you alive."
 

SoulAssassin

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They "fired" me recently. Had like $40 in the account and they transferred it into another account I had linked. Doesn't really matter to me, I was just waiting to see if they would offer a promo for a higher rate anytime soon, their rates suck these days.
 

ColdFusion718

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Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
They "fired" me recently. Had like $40 in the account and they transferred it into another account I had linked. Doesn't really matter to me, I was just waiting to see if they would offer a promo for a higher rate anytime soon, their rates suck these days.

LOL you had $40 in there and you want a higher promo rate?
 

andylawcc

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Mar 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: kranky
But they are also "firing" between 2,000 to 5,000 customers every month as well (meaning ING has chosen to close the account). This is done when a customer is too costly and too demanding; in other words, the customer calls and emails too much.

based on that fact alone, it makes me wanna join
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
They "fired" me recently. Had like $40 in the account and they transferred it into another account I had linked. Doesn't really matter to me, I was just waiting to see if they would offer a promo for a higher rate anytime soon, their rates suck these days.

Where do you keep your money? HSBC?
 

Minjin

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Jan 18, 2003
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Then why is ING's interest rate so behind the times? I have an ING account because at one time their interest rates were good. They aren't now so I only keep about 25 bucks in there.
 

JackBurton

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Jul 18, 2000
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Originally posted by: Minjin
Then why is ING's interest rate so behind the times? I have an ING account because at one time their interest rates were good. They aren't now so I only keep about 25 bucks in there.

Good info. I'm a BoA customer so I just might move my ING savings to BoA.
 
Dec 10, 2005
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Originally posted by: Minjin
Then why is ING's interest rate so behind the times? I have an ING account because at one time their interest rates were good. They aren't now so I only keep about 25 bucks in there.

Citibank's rates have dropped to the same level as ING's. But using an interest chaser calculator, it turns out I would only gain about $2-$3 extra over 6 months by moving most of it to HSBC, so I leave it until the rate drops further compared to HSBC.
 

paulney

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As soon as ING started lagging in interest rate, I moved everything to my local credit union which offers the same rate as the leading online banks, and never looked back. ING can fire me all they want.
 

manlymatt83

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Oct 14, 2005
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Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
They "fired" me recently. Had like $40 in the account and they transferred it into another account I had linked. Doesn't really matter to me, I was just waiting to see if they would offer a promo for a higher rate anytime soon, their rates suck these days.

Were you not using it at all?
 
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Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
They "fired" me recently. Had like $40 in the account and they transferred it into another account I had linked. Doesn't really matter to me, I was just waiting to see if they would offer a promo for a higher rate anytime soon, their rates suck these days.

Were you not using it at all?

Even if he was using it, it was costing ING money to keep the account open and track such a small amount of money.
 
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