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Job

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How does tax work in the US? In the UK we have a sliding scale; eg someone only earning say the eq. of $25,000 would only pay 15% tax, whereas anyone earning over the eq. of $80,000 pays 15% on the first $25K, 25% on the next $25K and then 40% on the remainder. Eg, anyone earning more than £80,000 gets rammed for taxes - there was an recent survey of average tax in the UK that reported that the average person has paid something like £120,000 ($235,000) in income tax alone in the last 10 years.

That doesnt take into account council tax (ours is $7,000 per year) VAT (sales tax 17.5% on everything but food) and the myriad of other taxes that will literally make you cry. And yet, the poverty rate increased this year??????? I'm all for supporting the poor, welfare state and all, but how can we do that if our government is spending all the taxes elsewhere??

From what I've read it seems America is pretty much run by the rich anyway, tobacco companies, credit card companies, large unions, etc etc, do you really think they would ever allow the government to charge them more tax?
 

deepred98

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Originally posted by: Icepick

Thanks for the links! I found that informative. :thumbsup:
I'd still feel better if all of the ultra wealthy young men were forced to serve a tour of duty in the military overseas prior to being admitted to Harvard, Yale or any other ivy league school.

why?

why risk getting intelligent people killed, when there are plenty of willing volunteers?
 

Jhhnn

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from deepred 98-

why risk getting intelligent people killed, when there are plenty of willing volunteers?

So, uhh, being born to wealth automatically makes a person intelligent?

What makes you think getting C's as a legacy admission at Yale is any harder than getting C's at any decent State School?

And we won't even mention Bob Jones University...
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: deepred98
Originally posted by: Icepick

Thanks for the links! I found that informative. :thumbsup:
I'd still feel better if all of the ultra wealthy young men were forced to serve a tour of duty in the military overseas prior to being admitted to Harvard, Yale or any other ivy league school.

why?

why risk getting intelligent people killed, when there are plenty of willing volunteers?

If John Kerry had said that I have a feeling you'd be all over him like ugly on a ape.
 

MadRat

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Job
How does tax work in the US? In the UK we have a sliding scale; eg someone only earning say the eq. of $25,000 would only pay 15% tax, whereas anyone earning over the eq. of $80,000 pays 15% on the first $25K, 25% on the next $25K and then 40% on the remainder. Eg, anyone earning more than £80,000 gets rammed for taxes - there was an recent survey of average tax in the UK that reported that the average person has paid something like £120,000 ($235,000) in income tax alone in the last 10 years.

That doesnt take into account council tax (ours is $7,000 per year) VAT (sales tax 17.5% on everything but food) and the myriad of other taxes that will literally make you cry. And yet, the poverty rate increased this year??????? I'm all for supporting the poor, welfare state and all, but how can we do that if our government is spending all the taxes elsewhere??

From what I've read it seems America is pretty much run by the rich anyway, tobacco companies, credit card companies, large unions, etc etc, do you really think they would ever allow the government to charge them more tax?

You can find out specifics are irs.gov and they have tables for computing tax rates.
 

deepred98

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: deepred98
Originally posted by: Icepick

Thanks for the links! I found that informative. :thumbsup:
I'd still feel better if all of the ultra wealthy young men were forced to serve a tour of duty in the military overseas prior to being admitted to Harvard, Yale or any other ivy league school.

why?

why risk getting intelligent people killed, when there are plenty of willing volunteers?

If John Kerry had said that I have a feeling you'd be all over him like ugly on a ape.

actually i'd have no problem with anyone saying that
Kerry said everyone in the armed forces is dumb, i implied no such thing, i said there are people willing to join because of patriotism, finances, and yes even due to lack of intelligence

to Jhhnn
i figured someone going to the top universities would be somewhat smart, not because they are rich
i agree with the second part though, legacy admissions should be removed and all admissions should be based on merit
 

A Scream

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Originally posted by: deepred98
Originally posted by: Icepick

Thanks for the links! I found that informative. :thumbsup:
I'd still feel better if all of the ultra wealthy young men were forced to serve a tour of duty in the military overseas prior to being admitted to Harvard, Yale or any other ivy league school.

why?

why risk getting intelligent people killed, when there are plenty of willing volunteers?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You just made my day!
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
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Originally posted by: deepred98
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: deepred98
Originally posted by: Icepick

Thanks for the links! I found that informative. :thumbsup:
I'd still feel better if all of the ultra wealthy young men were forced to serve a tour of duty in the military overseas prior to being admitted to Harvard, Yale or any other ivy league school.

why?

why risk getting intelligent people killed, when there are plenty of willing volunteers?

If John Kerry had said that I have a feeling you'd be all over him like ugly on a ape.

actually i'd have no problem with anyone saying that
Kerry said everyone in the armed forces is dumb, i implied no such thing, i said there are people willing to join because of patriotism, finances, and yes even due to lack of intelligence

to Jhhnn
i figured someone going to the top universities would be somewhat smart, not because they are rich
i agree with the second part though, legacy admissions should be removed and all admissions should be based on merit


Well, I have a problem with your attitude that the less fortunate of this country should have to risk their lives in defending the interests of an inconsiderate chickenhawk like you.

In case you never noticed, people are being forced to serve longer then required because asshats such as yourself are too busy sitting on their butts and giving them "Attaboys" to enlist. F'in chickenhawks should all be taken out and forced to serve and put all of the phonies in the same unit.

I even will go so far as to say that maybe we should send out our best and brightest to serve in todays high-tech services. Maybe we should just draft their chickenhawk asses into the service?
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
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Originally posted by: A Scream
Originally posted by: deepred98
Originally posted by: Icepick

Thanks for the links! I found that informative. :thumbsup:
I'd still feel better if all of the ultra wealthy young men were forced to serve a tour of duty in the military overseas prior to being admitted to Harvard, Yale or any other ivy league school.

why?

why risk getting intelligent people killed, when there are plenty of willing volunteers?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You just made my day!


People are being killed daily and you think it's funny? I think you give yourself way too much credit.... at least as far as "intelligence" goes.

Iregardless of what deepred98 thinks he said, it's clear that he thinks he is smarter then anyone in the service. And you fools wonder why the Dem's won back both houses congress? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
 

dmcowen674

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4-26-2007 Democrats eye tax increases for wealthy

House Democrats are looking to unravel many of President Bush's tax cuts for wealthy people to pay for protecting middle-class families from a hidden tax increase.

They also plan to provide modest tax relief to the working poor and married couples

The measure, still in its early phases, would protect married couples making $250,000 or less each year from paying the alternative minimum tax, or AMT
 

EagleKeeper

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The Dems will find other tax increases on the middle class to fund their social programs.

 

wirelessenabled

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Originally posted by: ntdz
http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/2286.html

Overall, we find that America's lowest-earning one-fifth of households received roughly $8.21 in government spending for each dollar of taxes paid in 2004. Households with middle-incomes received $1.30 per tax dollar, and America's highest-earning households received $0.41.

Maybe you should thank the rich for supporting the rest of the population instead of lambasting them in a jealous rage...don't bite the hand that feeds.

Wondering if this takes in to account corporate welfare? You know, the Halliburton type of scenario where they contracted to provide meals, don't bother, but submit the bill for the meals and gets paid for them anyway.
 

Rainsford

Lifer
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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The Dems will find other tax increases on the middle class to fund their social programs.

You can keep saying that all you want, that doesn't make it true. The middle class usually does pretty well under Democrats and Republicans, it's the lower and upper class that tend to care more about the economics of which party is in power.

As for the original topic, I DO appreciate it that those that are well off provide so much tax revenue. Looking at tax rates as "fair" or not is missing the point, someone has to pay for government, should it be the single mom working two jobs or Bill Gates? As a single guy, my taxes would be lower if I didn't have to pay for everyone's marriage incentives and public schools, but I don't write snarky letters to the editor asking why that's not happening. And while it may seem "unfair", I'd also point out that rich folks have benefited quite a bit from living in this country, asking them to give something back doesn't seem too out of line.
 
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