Don't get caught speeding in Canada

[jagec]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Do you know how many people die each year because of speeding drivers?

zero.


Do you know how many people die each year because of drivers going too fast for conditions and losing control? That's a different statistic. Going the speed limit on icy roads is MUCH, MUCH more dangerous than going significantly over the limit if the car, driver, traffic conditions, and road conditions are up to the task. I'd rather have people speeding and watching the road than driving the limit while talking on their cellphones.

That said, 154 in a 100 is pretty fast. I usually go 5-8 (MPH) over the limit...cops don't care, keeps up with traffic, gets me where I'm going.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Linflas

Funny that is exactly how I feel whenever I see Canadians ranting about the US government on these boards and elsewhere.

there's nothing funny about blatant trolling, especially from 'mods'.

Isn't he a P&N mod? That's a little different, I'd think. They'd get eaten alive if they didn't troll and flame a little. Kind of a territory-marking thing, I guess.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Do you know how many people die each year because of speeding drivers?

zero.


Do you know how many people die each year because of drivers going too fast for conditions and losing control? That's a different statistic. Going the speed limit on icy roads is MUCH, MUCH more dangerous than going significantly over the limit if the car, driver, traffic conditions, and road conditions are up to the task. I'd rather have people speeding and watching the road than driving the limit while talking on their cellphones.

That said, 154 in a 100 is pretty fast. I usually go 5-8 (MPH) over the limit...cops don't care, keeps up with traffic, gets me where I'm going.

yup.

speed doesn't kill. stupid drivers do.

whether too fast for conditions or distractions while driving or just plain not paying attention kills far more people than speeding ever has.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Steve

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Steve
Thank you Bootprint

Yeah I know there are laws that require you to move over. My point is, what difference does it make if there is a law or not? It's common sense. You shouldn't need a law to tell you what common sense is. You should move over or slow down regardless of whether there is a law that requires you to do so.

I never said that I wouldn't move over.

I asked a simple, straight question, wanted and eventually got a simple, straight answer.

I don't give a damn about your delineating, off-point rambling manifesto diatribes. I just wanted a 'yes' or 'no' answer.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

 

[Eli]

Jesus. :Q

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Steve

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Steve
Thank you Bootprint

Yeah I know there are laws that require you to move over. My point is, what difference does it make if there is a law or not? It's common sense. You shouldn't need a law to tell you what common sense is. You should move over or slow down regardless of whether there is a law that requires you to do so.

I never said that I wouldn't move over.

I asked a simple, straight question, wanted and eventually got a simple, straight answer.

I don't give a damn about your delineating, off-point rambling manifesto diatribes. I just wanted a 'yes' or 'no' answer.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

My feelings weren't hurt, but apology accepted. :beer:

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Oh god. I wonder what would have happened if they would have caught me going through some parts of eastern Washington, Idaho, and Montana... I was driving faster that he was.


can they really take his radar detector?

Been against the law in Ontario for the past... 4-5 years? And they put this in because of the speeds people were doing on the 400 series, they already had something like this from Chatam to London from the amount of accidents.

401 from Chatham to London was called 'carnage alley' because of the narrow median, not because of speed in particular. And radar detectors have been illegal for a long time.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

hell, we can't even have studded snow tires here. never mind that they out perform any other tire in snow and ice by a huge margin and would save many lives and prevent many accidents and reduce insurance rates.

It was destroying the highways. You would have seen more construction and higher taxes if they weren't outlawed.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: mugs
Is there any source for the $2000-10,000 fine other than the cab driver?

This is exactly why I think radar detectors are overrated no matter how good they are. They only detect radar when the RADAR is ON, and if the cop really wants to nail people he's not going to be driving around or sitting around with his radar on constantly. PWNED is exactly right. The Nelson ha-ha graphic is appropriate here.

Originally posted by: Steve
Is the law still in effect that says when police have someone pulled over you must get one lane away?

Does it matter? That's just common sense.

Nvm... seems I can't find it on the MTO site atm...

I'll help you: yes it is there.

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

hell, we can't even have studded snow tires here. never mind that they out perform any other tire in snow and ice by a huge margin and would save many lives and prevent many accidents and reduce insurance rates.

It was destroying the highways. You would have seen more construction and higher taxes if they weren't outlawed.

Out of curiosity, what about chains?

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I already knew about this. It's fvcking obscene. As I have said before, anybody on the QEW in Ontario between NY state and toronto knows that there is nothing special about 150 km/hour. A LOT of people do it, traffic generally flows at 120-140 and a $2k+ fine for doing 150 is simply nuts. The punishment doesn't fit the crime. I know some fat virginal clowns here would say "tough crap", but it's not tough as them having to look in the mirror and my point still stands.

I agree that people driving 50kph over the speed limit should be handled the same as a racer.

You've not been on the QEW; i.e. you don't know what you're talking about.

Good. Anyone caught speeding should be executed on the spot. Do you know how many people die each year because of speeding drivers?

A lot less than if we executed those who sped.

Too punitive?? Not punitive enough in my opinion. He should be chilling in jail for a month.

For 154? You've never done this? And if you never have, the worst thing here is your social life. Must have sucked not having friends with cars when you were 16.

So we have responses of those who say he should be in jail for a month and another who wanted him executed.

Is there any source for the $2000-10,000 fine other than the cab driver?

Papers. THis was enacted months ago and is a legitimate law; Ontario will give you a mandatory massive ticket for 150+

are radar detectors banned?

In most of Canada, yes. I actually agree with this law; they are used in 99.9% of cases to break laws...laws that most of us break anyway (I don't know anybody who never speeds and hope I never meet such a sheep anyway), but these are used to break laws, there is basically no other good reason to have one.

ignorance != innocence...

When you're doing 54% over the limit, you should assume bad stuff is going to happen.

I'm sure he expected something bad, but nowhere in North America has such harsh punishment as Ontario, and as I said earlier, I've actually seen nowhere in NA that has speeds consistently as high as on the QEW and safely, too. It is a thousand lanes wide and the provincial or RCMP cops are never there anyway. I see about one cop per trip between Buffalo and Toronto. I've gone through radar traps "above the speed limit", they just don't seem compelled to stop speeders even though if they wanted they could fund a million jets for the federal gov if they'd only stop half of them under existing laws..

I drive about 120,000 km a year, with much of it being the QEW. I'm also an Ontario highway historian. You're pretty much right on with the police presence being a bit lackluster on the QEW; and when they're there, they're always in the same spots.

Hamilton just opened up the Red Hill Valley Parkway (finally) with a 90 km/h speed... I drove up and down it 3 times one day and I probably counted about 6 cops and 2 people pulled over, and this was on an 8km road.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Doesn't the fucked up Canuck Government have a new seizure law where if you are just suspected of making money via illegal activities that they can seize any property purchased with those funds and it's up to the accused to prove his/her innocence?

Worry about your own FUCKED UP government.

Great hair. Bad day?

 

[Pepsi90919]

void

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: Steve

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

hell, we can't even have studded snow tires here. never mind that they out perform any other tire in snow and ice by a huge margin and would save many lives and prevent many accidents and reduce insurance rates.

It was destroying the highways. You would have seen more construction and higher taxes if they weren't outlawed.

Out of curiosity, what about chains?

Upon further research, the previous MTO minister approved the use of studs in Northern Ontario. They're not really completely outlawed in any other province. CBC has a bit about studded tires...

Studs are banned in the province of Ontario. But, in most other provinces they're legal during winter -- the exact period varies from province to province. And in some jurisdictions studded tires can be used with no restrictions at all.

So why aren't they? Peter Keith says the Ontario ban seems to have given studded tires an undeserved bad reputation right across the country.

Gerhard Kennepohl, head of Pavement Research for the Ontario government, explains the province's position: "It became very clear there were safety hazards and it was also very clear there was some abrasion of asphalt roads."

He says Ontario arrived at this policy after a series of tests conducted by the province.

Ontario's tests concluded that the tire studs of that era performed as well as or better than non-studded tires in most winter conditions. But they scratched the pavement causing ruts which could fill with water and create a road hazard.

But those tests were done in 1970, and those conclusions don't impress Peter Keith. He says if he lived in Ontario, he'd still use studded tires in the winter, ban or no ban.

Snow chains, I don't know. I know that I almost never see them.

 

[Aharami]

wow, that happed to GoMobile? I know him. Really cool guy.

 

[George P Burdell]

Insane!

 

[Squisher]

Since distracted driving is the number one cause of accidents it should be a $10,000 fine and a 30 day jail term to listen to or posses any music device or written media in the interior of a car with access to the driver. Drivers should be physically isolated from all other occupants.

With driver fatigue being next on the list. We need checkpoints that randomly stop drivers and access their state of alertness. (EDIT: maybe a quick game of whack-a-mole.) Forgot to take your nap and you should be fined and jailed.

Think of all the dead babies!

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: George P Burdell
Insane!

The 50 km/h over law is posted on very large signs everywhere. It is also in the Highway Traffic Act. When you visit a foreign place, you should familiarize yourself with the laws of the land. He knew what he was doing.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Squisher
Since distracted driving is the number one cause of accidents it should be a $10,000 fine and a 30 day jail term to listen to or posses any music device or written media in the interior of a car with access to the driver. Drivers should be physically isolated from all other occupants.

With driver fatigue being next on the list. We need checkpoints that randomly stop drivers and access their state of alertness. (EDIT: maybe a quick game of whack-a-mole.) Forgot to take your nap and you should be fined and jailed.

Think of all the dead babies!

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Do you know how many people die each year because of speeding drivers?

zero.


Do you know how many people die each year because of drivers going too fast for conditions and losing control? That's a different statistic. Going the speed limit on icy roads is MUCH, MUCH more dangerous than going significantly over the limit if the car, driver, traffic conditions, and road conditions are up to the task. I'd rather have people speeding and watching the road than driving the limit while talking on their cellphones.

That said, 154 in a 100 is pretty fast. I usually go 5-8 (MPH) over the limit...cops don't care, keeps up with traffic, gets me where I'm going.

I disagree...
The problem with speeding isnt that speed alone kills you... its speed, along with an unexpected situation...

Doing 130mph on a straight level highway on a clear sunny day, im not going to die...
but if a 3 year old, a deer, or other unexpected obstruction (stoppped vehicle, fallen tree, pavement sinkhole, tire blowout, etc) that causes accidents and deaths...
Speed limits are designed to provide you guaranteed time to react and prevent the accident... sure a few 5-7mph wont make too much of a difference, but 30 sure as hell will.


IMO... if you cant reasonably abide by the laws, then you shouldnt be driving. If you have to go that fast, then go drive on a racetrack, not public taxpayer roads.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I can't see how its legal for them to take your radar detector and not give it back.

Similar to how it's legal for them to take cocaine and not give it back, I suppose?

I thought they were just illegal "inside" cars. In other words I don't think walking across town with a radar detector is illegal.

 

[ultimatebob]

Wow... and I thought that New York's speeding laws were tough!

I got socked with a $750 "Driver's Responsibility Tax" on top of the $250 fine the last time I got a ticket in that state

 

[Perknose]

Driver = Dumb

Ontario Law = Dumberer.

Assorted Flamers In Thread = Dumberest.

 

[kranky]

If they have impounded 800 vehicles in the first month of this law, and they all had to be doing at least 50kph over the limit, they clearly needed to do something about the out-of-control speeding.

The flip side of the argument that "huge fines instead of jail proves it's just a money making operation" is that most people who go to jail for a month would lose their jobs. Many people think that's harsher punishment.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: kranky
If they have impounded 800 vehicles in the first month of this law, and they all had to be doing at least 50kph over the limit, they clearly needed to do something about the out-of-control speeding.

The flip side of the argument that "huge fines instead of jail proves it's just a money making operation" is that most people who go to jail for a month would lose their jobs. Many people think that's harsher punishment.

They don't want anyone to lose their job, that takes away from tax revenue on top of the cost of housing the inmate.

When you want to protect society from those that behave in a dangerous manner you lock them up, not take some $ and let them remain free. Due to the amount of vehicles impounded the fines are apparently not curtailing speeding. Go figure, most criminals are not worried about breaking the lw.