'Don't Kill' Bill for NY Cops....Shoot them in the Leg Instead

[Narmer]

hahah and you think shooting for legs/arms is going to reduce innocents getting shot?

It's better than them dying.

 

[Throckmorton]

Wouldn't it make more sense to just require cops to use taser bullets when they come out? There's no reason to kill somebody when you can fully incapacitate him.

 

[spidey07]

Wouldn't it make more sense to just require cops to use taser bullets when they come out? There's no reason to kill somebody when you can fully incapacitate him.

Don't bring a taser to a gun fight.

 

[ichy]

Wouldn't it make more sense to just require cops to use taser bullets when they come out? There's no reason to kill somebody when you can fully incapacitate him.

There are plenty of situations where Tasers don't work very well. They have their uses, but they aren't suitable for a split-second, life or death situation.

 

[Atheus]

Because the killing saves lives.

What a lovely sentance. Have you ever heard of something called doublespeak? Never mind...

So it saves lives, prevents crimes like robbery, fine and dandy - lets just pretend that's true for a minute even though America has some of the highest violent crime levels combined with the highest cop shootings.

Now refer to that other thread - you do not support goverment action to prevent racial discrimination, correct? Even actions as simple as a fine being imposed if a business refuses to serve or hire someone on racial grounds? Isn't that right?

So even though you HATE the idea of government intervention, and couldn't accept any loss of income to a business even if it prevents something as disgusting as racial discrimination, you're willing for them to actually KILL someone to prevent other crimes like theft? Is that correct?

It does seem, to an outside obverver, that you are selfishly rather than politically motivated... in fact one might say it's clear you don't think racism is a crime worth preventing...

 

[BoberFett]

It's truly amazing how much totally ignorant shit has come down the pike in such a short time. On both the local and national levels.

It's like everyone in government rode the short bus and only made it through the fifth grade.

Indeed. It's like the flood gates have opened in the past decade and we have just one stupid thing after another coming from these morons.

But hey, small government could never work. We need these geniuses to think for us.

 

[spacejamz]

It's better than them dying.

so you really think that a cop who is in an intense situation where he/she has to pull a trigger will be able to precisely hit the criminal in the arm/leg/hand to slow them down, thus preventing them from being killed?

Here's a hint for you...gunfights in real life are not anywhere near how they are portrayed in movies and on TV...

How are they even going to prove where the cop was aiming anyway?

 

[Kirby]

you're willing for them to actually KILL someone to prevent other crimes like theft?

wtf. cops don't blow people away for stealing shit.

 

[spidey07]

What a lovely sentance. Have you ever heard of something called doublespeak? Never mind...

So it saves lives, prevents crimes like robbery, fine and dandy - lets just pretend that's true for a minute even though America has some of the highest violent crime levels combined with the highest cop shootings.

Now refer to that other thread - you do not support goverment action to prevent racial discrimination, correct? Even actions as simple as a fine being imposed if a business refuses to serve or hire someone on racial grounds? Isn't that right?

So even though you HATE the idea of government intervention, and couldn't accept any loss of income to a business even if it prevents something as disgusting as racial discrimination, you're willing for them to actually KILL someone to prevent other crimes like theft? Is that correct?

It does seem, to an outside obverver, that you are selfishly rather than politically motivated... in fact one might say it's clear you don't think racism is a crime worth preventing...

I don't think you understand. An officer is only legally able to shoot if their life or the life of others is in imminent danger. They don't shoot them to stop other crimes, they shoot them to prevent people including themselves from being killed. This has nothing, zero, to do with big or small government.

Same as I am able to shoot and kill somebody if my life is in immediate danger. I'm also allowed to shoot somebody if they are threatening an innocent or to defend my property but that gets a little trickier from a legal perspective and I have to prove a whole lot more than "I feared for my life".

 

[spacejamz]

wtf. cops don't blow people away for stealing shit.

maybe if they did, a lot less shit would be stolen....

our 'justice' system provides no deterrent for someone to think about not committing a crime....hell, they will even get free room/board, 3 square meals a day, cable TV, library, work equipment and free laundry service...

 

[Red Dawn]

maybe if they did, a lot less shit would be stolen....

our 'justice' system provides no deterrent for someone to think about not committing a crime....hell, they will even get free room/board, 3 square meals a day, cable TV, library, work equipment and free laundry service...

So you believe the Cops should be judge, jury and executioner? Not even Cops would want that.

 

[Narmer]

so you really think that a cop who is in an intense situation where he/she has to pull a trigger will be able to precisely hit the criminal in the arm/leg/hand to slow them down, thus preventing them from being killed?

Here's a hint for you...gunfights in real life are not anywhere near how they are portrayed in movies and on TV...

How are they even going to prove where the cop was aiming anyway?

Now they won't have blanket immunity. Also, police training may be altered to reflect the new reality. Finally, there will be eyewitness account of the incidents.

The police may continue to do what they're doing now. However, going forward, shooting to kill and to maim will be very distinct. Who knows, it may force the cops to actually talk to the assailants instead of just shooting first and asking questions later.

 

[Atheus]

wtf. cops don't blow people away for stealing shit.

Whatever. Replace with any crime you'd care to name. I'm asking how he (or American conservatives in general) can support state sponsored killing to prevent some crime, while not wanting even so much as a fine for businesses who discriminte racially. Is this a consistant position against government intervention?

/edit: wtf grammar

 

[Atheus]

I don't think you understand. An officer is only legally able to shoot if their life or the life of others is in imminent danger.

That's similar to the policy in this country, and yet the small city of Detroit alone has more police killings per year than the whole of the UK... why would you say that is?

In this country when a police officer kills someone it's a national outrage, and this is the country which tolerates an unhead of level of CCTV saturation.

 

[Kirby]

Whatever. Replace with any crime you'd care to name. I'm asking how he (or American conservatives in general) can support state sponsored killing prevent some crime, while not wanting even so much as a fine for businesses who discriminte racially. Is this a consistant position again government intervention?

Generally speaking, a business discriminating isn't threatening your life.

Can't you see the difference, regardless of your position on either issue, or are you just trolling?

 

[Kirby]

That's similar to the policy in this country, and yet the small city of Detroit alone has more police killings per year than the whole of the UK... why would you say that is?

Probably because Detroit is more similar to Somalia than the UK.

 

[spidey07]

That's similar to the policy in this country, and yet the small city of Detroit alone has more police killings per year than the whole of the UK... why would you say that is?

In this country when a police officer kills someone it's a national outrage, and this is the country which tolerates an unhead of level of CCTV saturation.

I'll tell you exactly why that is. A lot of armed and dangerous criminals pointing weapons at officers. What's does that equal? Perp getting dead.

But come over across the pond with your knifes. You'll get shot too. That's a deadly weapon. With that knife in your hand you could kill me or cause serious bodily harm if you were within 15-20 feet before I could draw my weapon and fire. That's why I'd shoot you at 25 feet if you approached.

 

[MotF Bane]

Why is it that the American 'small government' conservative crowd is so keen for the state to kill people? Surely that goes against everything you believe...

Have you even fired a gun? Even TOUCHED one, perhaps with the tip of your finger? This proposal is completely non-functional.

 

[Binarycow]

I nominate Atheus for becoming a cop, then give him/her/it a taser to go into a bad neighborhood at pitch-black 2 AM in the morning to pacify armed felons.

practice your bullshits.

 

[Atheus]

But come over across the pond with your knifes. You'll get shot too. That's a deadly weapon. With that knife in your hand you could kill me or cause serious bodily harm if you were within 15-20 feet before I could draw my weapon and fire. That's why I'd shoot you at 25 feet if you approached.

Ooooo kay then...

Calm yourself down and have a beer or something...

 

[spacejamz]

So you believe the Cops should be judge, jury and executioner? Not even Cops would want that.

No I don't....

My point is that the threat of 'punishment' here does not deter someone from committing a crime. My example of being shot by a police office for robbery was not the best example to use..

If there were harsher punishments that would make someone think twice before they rob a bank, maybe there would be less bank robberies...

IMO, going back to jail for many of these criminals does not seem like punishment anymore so what reason do they have to not commit a crime?

 

[Atheus]

Have you even fired a gun? Even TOUCHED one, perhaps with the tip of your finger? This proposal is completely non-functional.

I grew up in New Zealand where hunting is common. I learned to shoot when I was about 10. This doesn't have anything to do with killing human beings.

 

[spidey07]

Ooooo kay then...

Calm yourself down and have a beer or something...

I'm just trying to put you in the mind of an officer with a crazed lunatic rushing at him with a knife, gun, baseball bat, etc or any other deadly weapon.

Just what do you think he will do? He'll shoot you. What should you as a citizen do in that same scenario? You should shoot them. What do you propose he does to avoid getting killed when he has a split second decision to make. Their training is to fire their primary deadly force weapon - their side arm. Many carry secondary ones as well for a backup.

 

[Atheus]

Generally speaking, a business discriminating isn't threatening your life.

Can't you see the difference, regardless of your position on either issue, or are you just trolling?

I nominate Atheus for becoming a cop, then give him/her/it a taser to go into a bad neighborhood at pitch-black 2 AM in the morning to pacify armed felons.

practice your bullshits.

I'm not saying I support or don't support cops killing people or the death penalty or whatever, I'm simply asking how it fits with a small government position? Why don't you want people to defent _themselves_ and leave govt out of it? Seems you pick and choose when you want small governemt and when you want big government as it suits you.

 

[spidey07]

I'm not saying I support or don't support cops killing people or the death penalty or whatever, I'm simply asking how it fits with a small government position? Why don't you want people to defent _themselves_ and leave govt out of it? Seems you pick and choose when you want small governemt and when you want big government as it suits you.

What the hell are you talking about with this big vs. small government crap? Has nothing to do with the topic at hand. And FYI all police departments are local to the city and or county so it's not big government in anyway.