I trained everyone to contact me via email. I despise talking on the phone, so it only gets used for work/clients and emergencies. You can fit War and Peace into kilobytes of data, so any crappy plan will work as much as you want to type.
I trained everyone to contact me via email. I despise talking on the phone, so it only gets used for work/clients and emergencies. You can fit War and Peace into kilobytes of data, so any crappy plan will work as much as you want to type.I'm on Project Fi, but my mom would have hung up on me after 15 minutes, let alone 8 hours. C'mon Lar. I'm detecting a wee bit o' co-dependency here.
I cant believe people are jumping on Larry over this. You guys are brutal. Hes paying for Unlimited service he should get unlimited service, full stop, period, game over.
If its not unlimited service its false advertising.
Interesting post, THANKS! I wish I had your post to refer to, when I contemplated signing up with this MVNO. I didn't realize that this was the norm at MVNOs. I guess I was naive, and didn't know how to parse their advertising verbiage. I didn't realize that "Unlimited voice" at an MVNO, meant something different than "Unlimited voice", directly on the network provider.This is absolutely normal in the MVNO space, they all do it. They're really only suitable for people who are light users, which clearly you are not. You will save yourself a lot of pain and misery by just accepting this and moving back to direct relationship with T-Mobile.
That's the thing with mvno each minute you consume costs them money directly. Not so with the owner of the network. Data is the same way which is why T-Mobile will happily sell you an unlimited data plan and at the very worst throttle you under congestion conditions. That same usage will get you kicked off any mvno because you are consuming far more than your share of their purchased blocks.Interesting post, THANKS! I wish I had your post to refer to, when I contemplated signing up with this MVNO. I didn't realize that this was the norm at MVNOs. I guess I was naive, and didn't know how to parse their advertising verbiage. I didn't realize that "Unlimited voice" at an MVNO, meant something different than "Unlimited voice", directly on the network provider.
15.1 WE MAY LIMIT, THROTTLE, SUSPEND OR TERMINATE YOUR SERVICE OR AGREEMENT WITHOUT NOTICE AT ANY TIME AND FOR ANY REASON, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, if you, any user of your Device, or any user on your account: (a) breaches the Agreement; (b) transfer(s) Service to another person without our consent; (c) becomes insolvent, goes bankrupt or threatens bankruptcy (except as prohibited by law); (d) misuses your Service or Device as described in Section 14 above; (e) uses your Service or Device in a manner that is excessive, unusually burdensome, or unprofitable to us; or (f) are on a Service plan that we determine is no longer available to you. We may impose credit, usage or other limits to your Service, suspend your Service, or block certain types of calls, messages or sessions (such as international, 10XXX, 0+/0-, chat services, 900 or 976 calls), in our sole discretion and without notice.
Mint SIM reserves the right to cancel or deactivate Mint SIM Service or reduce data throughput speeds in order to protect its supplier’s network from harm or to protect itself from financial or other harm due to any cause including, without limitation, the excessive and/or unauthorized use of Mint SIM Service. Mint SIM reserves the right to limit throughput or the amount of data transferred and to deny or terminate Service to anyone Mint SIM believes is using the Mint SIM Service in an unauthorized manner or whose usage, in Mint SIM’s sole discretion, adversely impacts its supplier’s network or customer service levels. Mint SIM will presume you are engaging in an unauthorized use in violation of these T&Cs, if in Mint SIM’s sole discretion, you are placing an abnormally high number of calls, or repeatedly placing calls of unusually long duration, or if your talk, text or data usage is harmful or disruptive to Mint SIM’s supplier’s network or service levels or to Mint SIM’s financial or other interests. If we determine, in our sole discretion, that you are using your Service in violation of these T&Cs or in any other manner that we deem to be unreasonable or excessive, we may terminate individual calls or data connections, terminate or reduce data throughput or terminate your Service, decline to renew your Service, or offer you a different Service plan without an unlimited usage component which may result in an increased cost to you.
Mint SIM may discontinue providing Mint SIM Service to you, discontinue your account, terminate data connections and/or reduce data throughput speeds if your usage, in the sole judgment of Mint SIM: (i) appears likely to generate abnormally high call volumes or data usage and/or abnormally long average call lengths or data usage as compared to the usage of other Mint SIM customers; or (ii) may be harmful or disruptive to, or interfere with, Mint SIM’s supplier’s network, Mint SIM’s service or the ability to provide quality service to other customers. By initiating Mint SIM Service and placing or receiving calls, you acknowledge and agree to Mint SIM’s right to terminate your Service under these circumstances.
http://www.mvnodynamics.com/2017/02/13/how-can-us-lifeline-providers-reduce-their-per-minute-cost/
That's the best recent price mention I could find at a quick search. If bulk gets you down to half that (0.75 cents/minute) they are still losing several times what you are paying them.
The most you reasonably expect to get if enough people make a stink about this is that the restrictions on the account be displayed as a footnote in the ad.Oh look, the corporate apologist stepped in.
So, you agree with me then, that advertising any service as "Unlimited" should be illegal, and punishable by a daily, punative fine, by the FTC?
Remember, limits that are not explicitly defined, is not the same as no limits whatsoever. (As much as corporations try to conflate the two.)
I went to https://www.mintsim.com/plan-terms-and-conditions/ just a few minutes ago.Torn Mind: I do still have service, MintSim reset my "Unlimited" due to a new billing cycle.
Is that paragraph from their AUP? That looks markedly different from what I read a few days ago.
I wonder if they revised it due to my "stink". I noticed now that they reserve the right to suspend service, if it is "unprofitable". I don't recall that wording in the version that I saw.
Well, it seems that it contains similar language. If your usage is not typical compared to other users...they can take action.That's apparently their TOS, I was referring to their AUP, which is what I was referred to reference by their CSR.
They also can yank the plug on you without notice
- Unlimited Voice and Data Plans.Your Mint SIM Service is provided by UVNV, Inc., including its affiliates, assigns and agents (“Mint SIM,” “we,” “us” or “our”). Mint SIM reserves the right to periodically review usage levels of unlimited minute and unlimited data Mint SIM Service plans (“Unlimited Plans”) to ensure that you are not using an Unlimited Plan in violation of this Acceptable Use Policy (“AUP”) and if such an abuse or violation is discovered to terminate or adjust the plan as appropriate. You agree to use the voice portion of your Unlimited Plan for traditional voice calls between two individuals of a duration comparable to that of the average individual customer presently utilizing a Mint SIM Unlimited Plan and will not employ methods, devices or procedures to take advantage of your Unlimited Plan by using the plan excessively or for means not intended by Mint SIM. Excessive use of the voice portion of your Unlimited Plan is defined by Mint SIM as use that materially exceeds the average call volume or duration used by all other Mint SIM customers that have purchased an Unlimited Plan. Mint SIM may terminate your Service or change your Service plan if, in its sole discretion, Mint SIM determines that your use of the voice portion of your Unlimited Plan violates this prohibition or is otherwise “unreasonable” or results in abuse of the Unlimited Plan.
Right of Termination. In addition to Mint SIM’s right to terminate Service for non-payment, Mint SIM reserves the right to terminate the Service immediately and without advance notice if Mint SIM, in its sole discretion, believes that you have violated any of the above restrictions, leaving you responsible for all charges, including without limitation unbilled charges, all of which become immediately due and payable.
There is no such thing as "unlimited" anything.
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The fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as Unlimited anything. Period. Everybody selling unlimited will limit you at some point in your usage if they deem you're abusing. It's in the fine print, and that's enough for the law.Perhaps you should tell mintsim this as they sure seem to think it does and are advertising as such.
you'll very quickly find we'll go back to paying by the minute/sms/mb, like back in the mid 2000s. Is that what you want?
Big difference between frugal and cheap.
One makes sense, and the other enters deeply into "you get what you pay for" territory. At the post you quoted, did you bother to count how many whiny posts OP had made? One warning post is more than enough.
And last I checked, they weren't "defending" telecoms, just telling OP to shut up already. We get it. Obviously the company is shady, NO ONE is saying otherwise. I use Ting, can't complain. Fi is cheap, as is Republic and probably a bevy of other MVNOs. People aren't telling OP to sign up for a big carrier and throw money away, just to SHUT UP about this company and actually move on.
Stop being cheap, pay for what you use, and get a real service provider or stop talking so much.
You're confusing why people are getting frustrated, and pretending like everyone doesn't agree on your second paragraph.
This is absolutely normal in the MVNO space, they all do it. They're really only suitable for people who are light users, which clearly you are not. You will save yourself a lot of pain and misery by just accepting this and moving back to direct relationship with T-Mobile.
While we can likely all agree that calling it unlimited and then having limits is less than ideal the simple truth is their limits are fine for basically everyone. Outliers break their business model, they clearly want to be rid of you. You may as well quit fighting it because you will not win this.
Being an outlier at EVERY carrier will get you noticed, but on the direct network voice isn't likely to get you in trouble. I'm curious how much MVNOs pay for minutes,at your usage level they may be literally losing money on you.
http://www.mvnodynamics.com/2017/02/13/how-can-us-lifeline-providers-reduce-their-per-minute-cost/
That's the best recent price mention I could find at a quick search. If bulk gets you down to half that (0.75 cents/minute) they are still losing several times what you are paying them.
Viper GTS
That's the thing with mvno each minute you consume costs them money directly. Not so with the owner of the network. Data is the same way which is why T-Mobile will happily sell you an unlimited data plan and at the very worst throttle you under congestion conditions. That same usage will get you kicked off any mvno because you are consuming far more than your share of their purchased blocks.
If you're going to continue being a heavy user I'd find the most cost effective major carrier plan. Alternatively, something like ooma sounds perfect for you. Why do you have to do this over a mobile number? Port your number to Google voice and get ooma or do the VoIP voice thing. Ooma is plug and play simple and sub $5 a month. Obihai is even cheaper (free) though I'm not sure what the long term viability of that is. At least with ooma their business model is clear. I'm at five years on ooma now with no complaints.
Viper GTS
The fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as Unlimited anything. Period. Everybody selling unlimited will limit you at some point in your usage if they deem you're abusing. It's in the fine print, and that's enough for the law.
Don't like it? Start a push to change the law. If it's successful and nobody can advertise unlimited anymore and/or the abusers will open their pipes 24/7 "just because", you'll very quickly find we'll go back to paying by the minute/sms/mb, like back in the mid 2000s. Is that what you want?