Don't Talk to the Police

[88keys]

People in this thread sure are extremely cynical, aren't you.

Yet, in a world without cops, what would you expect things to look like? I can tell you, it'd either be Nazi Germany where a SS or SA-type organization would fill the void (clearly not preferable I'm sure most agree), or it'd be Mad Max, post-apocalyptic fight-to-survive. Clearly not preferable either I'm sure all agree. Except maybe the paranoidly psychotic.

Do you have any idea as to what you're talking about? Do you know how the Nazi's rose to power? I can tell you that it had nothing to do with a lack of police enforcement lol. It's sorta the other way around.

Back on topic. Nobody is saying that we don't need law enforcement, because we most certainly do. What we are saying is that police officers are human beings. Human beings in the sense that there are good ones and bad ones. And when you consider things like how low the average police officer's salary compared to the risk involved, you would have imaging that the pickins get rather slim when recruiters are looking for 'good' men and women.
As pointed out earlier, law enforcement is often more interested in closing a case and locking up the nearest guilty looking thug rather than doing a real investigation. And of course even good police officers are very capable of making mistakes, but judges and juries tend to and always will favor a the word of a police officer over a civilian. These are the reasons why you don't talk to a police officer without a lawyer, you don't allow a police officer into your home, and you don't consent to searches without a warrant.

 

[HeXen]

My job foreman is a cop, i jokingly call him T.J. Hooker. Most cops in general are just doing their job and trying to get through the day like anyone else. Funny how paranoid of cops some are.

 

[xj0hnx]

I agree, just explaining the cops have ways around that (if they really want to search your car), the dog sniffing thing being one of them.

Yip, town down the road a bit, big dope town, you get pulled over for whatever, failing to signal, they'll bring out the dog if you refuse a search, and funny, the dog always alerts on something.

 

[who?]

The show DEA showed that when they have information they'll use a traffic stop as an excuse to pull somebody over when they already know there is a load of drugs in the car. If they use the dog as an excuse for the search and don't mention the informant are they committing perjury?

 

[PokerGuy]

I don't think the blanket statement to never talk to the police makes sense. It depends on the situation. In most cases, you have very little to gain by talking, and a lot to potentially lose.... so you should keep your trap shut and not consent to anything. In other cases though, the situation hasn't escalated to that point yet, and talking to the cop like a normal human can easily diffuse something before it gets nastier. For example, you might be able to easily clear up a misunderstanding and have everything settled without further drama.

 

[FalseChristian]

If you didn't do anything illegal then you have nothing to worry about and you don't talk because you have nothing to talk about!

 

[HumblePie]

But...

If you are innocent you should always talk to police. Always take the stand. And always answer every question. I mean otherwise proves you have something to hide! If you are truly innocent then there is nothing that you could say that would ever change that...



Oh... sorry I was channeling someone else on these forums for a moment there.

 

[who?]

Of course, if the people in the car take plea deals there isn't any reason for the cops to testify.

Do you know all of the hundreds of laws such that you can guarantee that in denying violating one you aren't inadvertently confessing to violating some other one?

 

[HeXen]

I don't think the blanket statement to never talk to the police makes sense. It depends on the situation. In most cases, you have very little to gain by talking, and a lot to potentially lose.... so you should keep your trap shut and not consent to anything. In other cases though, the situation hasn't escalated to that point yet, and talking to the cop like a normal human can easily diffuse something before it gets nastier. For example, you might be able to easily clear up a misunderstanding and have everything settled without further drama.

So is this all with the idea that one is doing something illegal, like carrying around pot, killing your wife or something? Otherwise i don't really get what you guys are on about as if paranoid for no reason.
But like getting pulled over for tailight, no seatbelt..etc is non issue whether you talk or not, i mean who cares, just pay the ticket.
Either way if you're at fault for something, be a man and take your medicine, it's the risk you take, like the old saying, if you can do the crime...