Given the facts of this case as stated, WHY would they be charged with "making a disturbance?" And WHY would they accept the plea?
There's something missing from this story.
few years back one of my friends was driving in to boston college campus; his friend in the passenger seat had a toy, red colored, alien-blaster-shaped, transparent plastic squirt gun. the kind you have at the beach.
he was messing around and making pewpew sounds with it.
apparently some ol'lady saw it and thought it was a real gun. she called campus police and they in turn called the real police.
police showed up a few minutes later, found them (no plastic toy in sight afaik), dragged them out of their car, threw them on the ground, handcuffed them from behind, and arrested them. they were then questioned if they had guns, they said no, after which the police found the toy, and took them to the police station.
they were both charged with making a disturbance and advised to plead guilty or face jail.
(they both took the plea. my friend was given 200 !! hours of community service, raking leaves on a local police station)
Sometimes it's an honest query; other times it sounds more like an accusation. It's the same sort of question people ask when victims like Ferguson's Michael Brown are killed by the policewhat did they to do deserve being targeted?
Why do you support the gunning down of a 12 year old kid who wasn't a danger to anyone?
Fucking hell.... He presented himself as a danger to EVERYONE.
Michael Brown was not the fucking victim. That anyone can ask what he did to deserve being target is fucking ignorant at this point and you know better.
13 for 13 for getting pulled over while speeding and receiving a warning since 2003. By white cops, black cops, female cops and one asian dude. No felonies, no attitude, no keeping it real, no issue. Respect begets respect.
Actually my most recent police encounter, I had a guy ticketed for hitting my car and leaving me parked in (literally his front bumper pushing into mine, total wise and beautiful woman move).
Out of nowhere this skinny white dude runs over huffing and puffing about people parking on the street in front of his house, how he can't find a place to park and how the cop should have them all ticketed (public parking till 6pm). Cops tells him he can call the meter fairies, but he's handling the accident right now. The lanky white dude goes off on a tirade about how much he pays for property taxes and the cops salary and storms off with "oh please don't get out of the car, thanks for the fuck you", only to come back a minute later asking for his badge number.
I can see how fuckwits like that bitch about bad police encounters; I was just blown away you'd talk to a stranger in that manner, especially if you're trying to get him to do something for you.
Never had a childhood? You apparently were born an adult?
You have no clue what happened that day and since it's not going to court, you never will.
We know enough to know exactly why it isn't going to court. Stop being butt hurt that you didn't get your public trial that would have found the officer innocent anyway ( wasn't enough evidence against him to even take it to the GJ but fuck it right?).
We know a black man strong arm robbed a store, and was recognized for such before the altercation even took place. Even with out all the witness testimony we know those facts. He is dead because of that. He owns that, not the cop.
And you can without doubt see that on then video one way or the other? You must have some crazy video enhancing equipment. Can you please post that enhanced video?
- Merg
Not worried for myself.
I'm white and never mouth off to cops.
Having said that, I occasionally worry we are headed to an Orwelian future and thats why I support any politician or bill keeping limits on the power of police.
That is the perception, but I think it might be more media exploitation than actual fact.The point is that the bar for starting the confrontation, and resulting disproprotionate force response, seems to get lower and lower.
Exactly right. Respect begets respect, and if one cannot respect a cop one should at least be bright enough to recognize that he or she has a gun, a taser, and a club, and a license to use them as he or she sees fit. Far too many dumb asses demanding respect without showing it.13 for 13 for getting pulled over while speeding and receiving a warning since 2003. By white cops, black cops, female cops and one asian dude. No felonies, no attitude, no keeping it real, no issue. Respect begets respect.
Actually my most recent police encounter, I had a guy ticketed for hitting my car and leaving me parked in (literally his front bumper pushing into mine, total wise and beautiful woman move).
Out of nowhere this skinny white dude runs over huffing and puffing about people parking on the street in front of his house, how he can't find a place to park and how the cop should have them all ticketed (public parking till 6pm). Cops tells him he can call the meter fairies, but he's handling the accident right now. The lanky white dude goes off on a tirade about how much he pays for property taxes and the cops salary and storms off with "oh please don't get out of the car, thanks for the fuck you", only to come back a minute later asking for his badge number.
I can see how fuckwits like that bitch about bad police encounters; I was just blown away you'd talk to a stranger in that manner, especially if you're trying to get him to do something for you.
Given that we have extensive physical evidence and copious witness statements, I'd say we've a bit better idea than "in the broadest of terms". And you obviously reject the Grand Jury's evaluation of all that - why then would we believe you'd accept another jury's decision if it did not fit your preconceived notion of "justice"?I'll rephrase.
Other than in the broadest of terms you have no idea what happened that day (and neither do I). So, don't pretend that you do.
There were competing narratives and for your own particular reasons you decided to accept Wilson's narrative.
I happen to believe that the only chance of finding out what truly happened is in a public trial. Apparently that's not going to happen. <shrug>
That's what this guy said he did and he was shot anyway.
One of the cases that the DOJ pointed to in it's report on the Cleveland police department.
Shot in the chest by Cleveland police then handcuffed and fined $100
"When a man pointing a Glock pistol approached Gregory Loves car in downtown Cleveland late one night, Love did the only sensible thing possible, he says: he put up his hands and decided to let the man have what he wanted.
But Vincent Montague shot him in the chest anyway, according to Love, before having the 29-year-old forcibly removed from his silver Range Rover and his hands fastened together behind his back.
Blood from the bullet wound seeped through Loves white T-shirt. He grew colder, despite the warm June air. I actually thought I was going to die, Love told the Guardian. I felt faint. I saw blood coming from my chest. I thought he was just going to kill me right there.
Eighteen months later, Love recalls his alleged assailant clearly: he was wearing the uniform of the Cleveland Division of Police. The only person prosecuted following the altercation was Love, who was fined $100 for a traffic violation. Montague was suspended from work for a day."
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/06/cleveland-police-department-shot-black-man
That's what this guy said he did and he was shot anyway.
One of the cases that the DOJ pointed to in it's report on the Cleveland police department.
Shot in the chest by Cleveland police then handcuffed and fined $100
"When a man pointing a Glock pistol approached Gregory Loves car in downtown Cleveland late one night, Love did the only sensible thing possible, he says: he put up his hands and decided to let the man have what he wanted.
But Vincent Montague shot him in the chest anyway, according to Love, before having the 29-year-old forcibly removed from his silver Range Rover and his hands fastened together behind his back.
Blood from the bullet wound seeped through Loves white T-shirt. He grew colder, despite the warm June air. I actually thought I was going to die, Love told the Guardian. I felt faint. I saw blood coming from my chest. I thought he was just going to kill me right there.
Eighteen months later, Love recalls his alleged assailant clearly: he was wearing the uniform of the Cleveland Division of Police. The only person prosecuted following the altercation was Love, who was fined $100 for a traffic violation. Montague was suspended from work for a day."
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/06/cleveland-police-department-shot-black-man
This. If one's argument includes Brown, one's position must be that people should be able to rob stores and punch cops with impunity. The twelve year old is a bit more nuanced; I'd personally accept that cops should stand off and negotiate if no one is currently threatened, but for all cop intents and purposes a real-looking gun IS a real gun. Practically speaking there is no alternative.That sounds like another good case to rally behind when talking about violent, abusive cops.
Yet you still cling to your idiotic notions about Michael Brown and 12 year olds with guns.
You have a real problem with making the right choice. Please be careful around cops.
For a second there I thought you had a real story. If a cop shot a white guy in a Range Rover they'd lose their job.
Did you not read the article linked in the 1st post?
That sounds like another good case to rally behind when talking about violent, abusive cops.
Yet you still cling to your idiotic notions about Michael Brown and 12 year olds with guns.
You have a real problem with making the right choice. Please be careful around cops.
I was making a general comment.
In general: Whites who dont hassle cops are the least likely to be arrested or shot. Especially when they dont have red streaks in their eyes or shivers or twitches.
This. If one's argument includes Brown, one's position must be that people should be able to rob stores and punch cops with impunity. The twelve year old is a bit more nuanced; I'd personally accept that cops should stand off and negotiate if no one is currently threatened, but for all cop intents and purposes a real-looking gun IS a real gun. Practically speaking there is no alternative.
Our legal system doesn't decide to take someone to trial based on what would be best, though. It's whether there is sufficient evidence to indict. Unfortunately in this case the Grand Jury saw exculpatory evidence as well, which bothers me, but that's because the prosecutor didn't see any reason to indict and was appeasing the community. I don't know how one fixes that, although one way might be to have police shootings examined by a federal prosecutor rather than the local people who depend on those officers.I have no idea what "idiotic) notions of Brown that he thinks I hold (I hold that we don't know what happened and that an open trial would have been best and if that's "idiotic" then one wonders why you even have a court system)
And as for the 12 year old kid, is nobody paying any attention to the fact the officer who shot him should probably have never been hired in the first place? Or what the 2 year investigation of the Cleveland police department concluded?
Nah! Just blame it on the kid and get on with life.
That's it, close your eyes and whistle in the dark.