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Thebobo

Lifer
Jun 19, 2006
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Just got this in email, yea it is a silly chain email, but there is some truth in it:

Gee, I still haven't figured out why Hillary lost...

Was it the Russian's? Or was it wikileaks? Or was it Podesta? Or Comey? Or was it a sexual predator husband? Or her Chief of staff's husband, Wiener’s, immoral pictures? Was it supeona vilolation? Or was it the corrupt Clinton foundation? Or was it the congressional lies? Or was it the Bengazi lies? Or was it pay for play? Or was it travelgate scandal? Or was it whitewater scandal? Or the cattlegate scandal? Or the ‘TrooperGate' scandal?
Or was it the $15 million for Chelsea's apartment bought with foundation money? Or Comey's investigation? Or her husband’s interference with Loretta Lynch and the investigation? Or was it stealing debate questions with help from Donna Brazile? Was it forensically deleting 30,000 emails? Was it her using a private email server while sending and receiving classified information? Was it the Seth Rich murder? Was it selling our uranium to Putin and the Russians?
Was it calling half the USA deplorable? Was it the underhanded treatment of Bernie Sanders? Was it the Vince Foster murder? The Jennifer Flowers assault? The Jennifer Flowers settlement? The Paula Jones lawsuit? The $800,000 Paula Jones settlement? Maybe the accusations of Juanita Broaddrick, claiming Bill Clinton raped her? Or the fact that her husband has acted much like Harvey Weinstein in the past? The lie about taking on sniper fire? The impeachment? The $6 billion she "lost" when in charge of the state dept? The 10 million her husband took for the pardon of Marc Rich?

Do yourself a favor and delete your email accounts. Messages like that lower your IQ every time your read them, or it seems it might be too late. Anyway carry on I guess.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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I get them regularly, and most are indeed bat shit crazy. This one is spot on, though. There is no case to crack, Clinton was an awful candidate and terrible for America. You picked the Vince Foster part out while ignoring the rest of the very many points it makes, some more relevant than others.

I could pick out a half dozen other insane or dishonest things too, that was just the funniest.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
23,654
10,517
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I don't know what the OP was getting at, but obviously it was just an analogy. Pres. Trump doesn't talk, walk or act like a politician. He is insensitive and does things with no regard to how it will affect our standing in the world. It's why some love him. He would be really dangerous and effective if he could channel all that a little better.
fixed.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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It is not a quirk, it is how our democracy works. CA and NY may have a lot of people, but they still are just two of 50. Our electoral college is kind of like why we have a House of Reps and a Senate.

Sure it's a quirk as it's an odd aspect of our system that no other developed country shares for electing their head of government. (the reason is because it's stupid)
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
17,305
1,001
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I could pick out a half dozen other insane or dishonest things too, that was just the funniest.

Half a dozen? A good start maybe, because I count about 35 points the email makes. Again, some of them very relevant. Those of you who act as if Clinton was clearly a better choice than Trump have blinders on.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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Sure it's a quirk as it's an odd aspect of our system that no other developed country shares for electing their head of government. (the reason is because it's stupid)

You didn't get your way. So now the electoral college, a centuries long tried and true, established system, is a quirk. Again, CA and NY, no matter how big a tantrum they throw, are two of 50.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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You didn't get your way. So now the electoral college, a centuries long tried and true, established system, is a quirk. Again, CA and NY, no matter how big a tantrum they throw, are two of 50.

If you search my posting history you will see that I have been against the electoral college for a long time before November, 2016. Whether or not a system is established has zero bearing on whether or not it is stupid. As it is now it gives what amounts to electoral welfare to rural states and bizarrely and irrationally advantages a small number of swing states' interests for no identifiable reason.

This is an easy example of dumb policy and its defenders do so out of political expedience as opposed to a genuine public policy reason.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Half a dozen? A good start maybe, because I count about 35 points the email makes. Again, some of them very relevant. Those of you who act as if Clinton was clearly a better choice than Trump have blinders on.

I was being charitable as virtually every point is insane, dishonest, or irrelevant. Regardless yes I'm sure it's the people who aren't quoting insane right wing chain emails for political insight are the ones with blinders on.

The projection is strong.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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If you search my posting history you will see that I have been against the electoral college for a long time before November, 2016. Whether or not a system is established has zero bearing on whether or not it is stupid. As it is now it gives what amounts to electoral welfare to rural states and bizarrely and irrationally advantages a small number of swing states' interests for no identifiable reason.

This is an easy example of dumb policy and its defenders do so out of political expedience as opposed to a genuine public policy reason.

I disagree 100%. We are a republic, a collection of different states with unique laws and even unique culture to a degree. A popular vote alone does not truly represent America. If were one borderless country, then we should have a popular vote. But, that isn't want America is.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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A year later and still going to bat for the worst candidate in decades. So funny.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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I disagree 100%. We are a republic, a collection of different states with unique laws and even unique culture to a degree. A popular vote alone does not truly represent America. If were one borderless country, then we should have a popular vote. But, that isn't want America is.

So in other words you think simply getting what a majority of Americans think on an issue is less representative of America than a system where we award special extra representation to low population areas and devote almost all presidential campaign attention to a half dozen states that happen to provide swing vote totals.

Hokay. That sounds as American as apple pie! Haha.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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A year later and still going to bat for the worst candidate in decades. So funny.

I guess some people care more about the actual function of the office than elections and even the most crazed partisan should be able to admit she would have done a good job with the office.

Some people are just weird that way.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,131
5,659
126
A year later and still going to bat for the worst candidate in decades. So funny.

Nah, Trump is clearly the worst. We even have 10 months of his "Leadership" to show just how much worse he was/is.
 

gregoryvg

Senior member
Jul 8, 2008
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and it's broken, twice in my lifetime the popular vote winner didn't win the election. it needs to be fixed.

That's not broken. You might agrue it's outdated and unfair, and that we should change to a popular vote, but our electoral college system is working as intended and likely won't change.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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I guess some people care more about the actual function of the office than elections and even the most crazed partisan should be able to admit she would have done a good job with the office.

Some people are just weird that way.

Well...

I think the most accurate statement about her nature come from the Onion

Biden in a heartbeat.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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I disagree 100%. We are a republic, a collection of different states with unique laws and even unique culture to a degree. A popular vote alone does not truly represent America. If were one borderless country, then we should have a popular vote. But, that isn't want America is.

Do you really think it's a great idea that candidates for the presidency tailor their messaging - and policy stances - toward persuading swing states voters instead of the country as a whole? Last year was a perfect case in point. Trump adopted a trade protectionist stance because that stance is popular in the rust belt where the states can land either way. Why are the interests of those who live in "swing states" more important than everyone else in the country combined? This point I think undermines the idea you are putting forth above, which is that the government should be responsive to the needs and interests of the various states instead of to the majority of the people. EC promotes the interests of states who arbitrarily happen to be close voting states over all the others. It's undemocratic whether you look at it from the perspective of the people or of the various states.
 

Zaap

Diamond Member
Jun 12, 2008
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Sure she's intelligent. Very. No one could get where she is without being.

And yes, she'd have made a better president than Trump. But that's not saying much, because almost anyone would. Trump is just horrible and I honestly believe we're witnessing a man who's probably suffering multiple mental illnesses flail his was through the presidency. That's not an excuse for him, I think at heart he's a pompus, rotten sort of person who's slid by his whole life by being rich and powerful. Without money he'd be a minor grade nobody... probably a run of the mill slumlord or something.

There's no question Hillary would have been better at statesmanship and deplomacy. I know I wouldn't agree with her on much, and her 'birthright!' Queen Hillary attitude both in herself and her worst fans I think deservingly did her in, but all around it was a shitty choice.

Of the two rotten choices, she would have been a better president though. No doubt. One has to be blinded by some weird Trump loyalty not to admit that. I see no upside to giving blind loyalty to any of these suit wearing criminals we call "leaders."
 
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Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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Sure she's intelligent. Very. No one could get where she is without being.

And yes, she'd have made a better president than Trump. But that's not saying much, because almost anyone would. Trump is just horrible and I honestly believe we're witnessing a man who's probably suffering multiple mental illnesses flail his was through the presidency. That's not an excuse for him, I think at heart he's a pompus, rotten sort of person who's slid by his whole life by being rich and powerful. Without money he'd be a minor grade nobody... probably a run of the mill slumlord or something.

There's no question Hillary would have been better at statesmanship and deplomacy. I know I wouldn't agree with her on much, and her 'birthright!' Queen Hillary attitude both in herself and her worst fans I think deservingly did her in, but all around it was a shitty choice.

Of the two rotten choices, she would have been a better president though. No doubt. One has to be blinded by some weird Trump loyalty not to admit that. I see no upside to giving blind loyalty to any of these suit wearing criminals we call "leaders."

Except that she's too hawlike for my tastes I think she would have been very good with foreign policy matters.
 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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That's not broken. You might agrue it's outdated and unfair, and that we should change to a popular vote, but our electoral college system is working as intended and likely won't change.

It's working as intended? Let's ask Alexander Hamilton as to its intent:

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp

Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils.

The process of election affords a moral certainty, that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications. Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single State; but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole Union, or of so considerable a portion of it as would be necessary to make him a successful candidate for the distinguished office of President of the United States. It will not be too strong to say, that there will be a constant probability of seeing the station filled by characters pre-eminent for ability and virtue. And this will be thought no inconsiderable recommendation of the Constitution, by those who are able to estimate the share which the executive in every government must necessarily have in its good or ill administration. Though we cannot acquiesce in the political heresy of the poet who says: "For forms of government let fools contest That which is best administered is best,'' yet we may safely pronounce, that the true test of a good government is its aptitude and tendency to produce a good administration.

So basically the electoral college was put in place to prevent foreign powers from successfully intervening in our elections and to prevent the election of unqualified demagogues. I seriously can't see how we can view the electoral college as anything but an utter failure at this point.
 
Feb 16, 2005
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Trained BS artist that can't stop speaking like a BS artist for 5 minutes. So scared to actually tell the truth and not speak to people in a condescending tone.
glad you're finally able to see drumpf for the conniving shitbag, con artist he is.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Sure she's intelligent. Very. No one could get where she is without being.

And yes, she'd have made a better president than Trump. But that's not saying much, because almost anyone would. Trump is just horrible and I honestly believe we're witnessing a man who's probably suffering multiple mental illnesses flail his was through the presidency. That's not an excuse for him, I think at heart he's a pompus, rotten sort of person who's slid by his whole life by being rich and powerful. Without money he'd be a minor grade nobody... probably a run of the mill slumlord or something.

There's no question Hillary would have been better at statesmanship and deplomacy. I know I wouldn't agree with her on much, and her 'birthright!' Queen Hillary attitude both in herself and her worst fans I think deservingly did her in, but all around it was a shitty choice.

Of the two rotten choices, she would have been a better president though. No doubt. One has to be blinded by some weird Trump loyalty not to admit that. I see no upside to giving blind loyalty to any of these suit wearing criminals we call "leaders."

Exactly. I don't see how any sane person can think that Trump was the better choice. It's the same reason why I fully support impeaching Trump despite that meaning that we get President Pence, whose views are in many ways even worse than Trump's from my policy perspective.

I feel the way about Pence the same way I would hope rational conservatives feel about Clinton. He/She would likely implement policies that I strongly dislike, but they are competent and not mentally ill. I am far less worried about the damage from a bad president than I am from an insane president.
 

gregoryvg

Senior member
Jul 8, 2008
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No, it's a quirk of our system. Quirks are 'peculiar aspects' of something, and reliance on a group of unaccountable electors that don't have to vote the way the citizens of their state or country vote instead of just counting the votes is certainly peculiar. (not to mention undemocratic and foolish, policy-wise).

Still not a quirk, it was done that way by design.
 
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