Doom (2016) Discussion

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CuriousMike

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I'm hoping for a 20% off coupon closer to release... hope springs eternal for me and this game.
 

frowertr

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Not having to go to the store and deal with people / stock issues - not to mention the option to get it delivered to your door on release day? Seems like the obvious answers... at least for me.

What exactly is the benefit of just buying it on release day instead?

Wait... People still buy physical copies for the PC? That is so 1996 CompUSAish.
 

cmdrdredd

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On an industry level they are bad especially when combined with their evil twin (publishers who want game review sites to keep pushing positive hype-train stuff (including deceptive industry "bullshots") whilst simultaneously using review embargoes to try and hide the negatives until after the pre-order sale is complete). That's about as anti-consumer as you can get. There's a reason why the devs pushing both of this stuff together along with tacky pre-order bonuses pro-uninformed-choice-bribes were the same ones who bitched and whined "the end is nigh!" when Steam introduced refunds. :sneaky: It's not like it's still 1994 and you have to phone up your local game store to set aside a boxed copy before they run out of stock...

So there's something wrong with wanting to pre-load the game so you can fire it up the minute it launches? If we want the game already what makes you think hiding reviews is going to make a difference to us?

Wait... People still buy physical copies for the PC? That is so 1996 CompUSAish.

I like to when there is an actual physical copy. Sometimes thouigh there isn't, or the disk just comes with a steam installer lol.
 

2is

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I miss CompUSA... No the store, everything was overpriced... But the era.
 

BSim500

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So there's something wrong with wanting to pre-load the game so you can fire it up the minute it launches?
Not being funny, but you usually end up waiting for the same week one patches and GFX drivers as everyone else to make most AAA releases actually enjoyable (vs barely playable) and all the impatient foot-stamping in the world during launch hour rarely changes that...

If we want the game already what makes you think hiding reviews is going to make a difference to us?
Who is this small "we" and "us" crowd that thinks review embargos are wonderful and is openly proud about ignoring advance warnings of potentially broken games? Were you delighted about the no negative reviews until launch policy for Batman:AK? That didn't work out too well, did it? It's not really about "you" or "your choice" for x specific game as an individual living in some isolated bubble, it's about being savvy to the general negative industry trend of trying to get people into the habit of making an endless unthinking string of uninformed purchase decisions (pre-orders) vs informed purchase decisions (wait for reviews). Out of all the possible entertainment products, PC games are by far the one with the consistently worst technical quality control issues (by a very large margin), and it's generally a bad idea to feed the BS machine even more as it encourages further negative behaviour by publishers in future. If publishers get paid only after they release a working game, that acts as a financial incentive to actually polish the game a bit better for launch day, which has a positive impact on everyone whether they pre-order or not.
 

cmdrdredd

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Don't put words into my mouth I didn't say they were wonderful but where do you get off telling people how to spend their money? I have relatively few issues with any games lately. Nvidia usually releases a game ready driver before a big title launches anyway.

What I said was some people already want the game and will buy it even if they don't see a review. That's not going to change. It doesn't take into account that some games with heavy online components cannot be reviewed in a day either.

You make a lot of generalizations and use an outlier like batman arkham knight to say PC games are released in unplayable condition but that's not true.
 
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BSim500

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Don't put words into my mouth I didn't say they were wonderful but where do you get off telling people how to spend their money?
I'm not telling you what to buy. Stop being so hyper-reactionary all the time. I'm just saying don't be so constantly obsessed over your personal tree that you can't make out the shape of the forest. You are after all the same guy who repeatedly naively rushes to defend the trashiest of glorified pay2win / anti-grind toll style DLC then gets angry when people comment you always seem to be at the forefront of defending every sh*tty AAA industry practise going (moreso than other forum members in general). :whiste:

On a micro-scale, of course you personally have the "freedom" to pre-order. But yes, pre-ordering on a large-scale can certainly create negative industry incentives / skewed priorities. The two statements are hardly mutually exclusive...
 

TechBoyJK

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The only games I've preordered are the Far Cry Series games and GTA5. I'll preorder FarCry stuff until they stop making it because I really like what they're doing with the series and I want to support it.
 

clamum

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I typically ain't interested in this type of game (despite Doom and Duke 3D being my more-or-less introduction to PC gaming back in the day) anymore but man this does look pretty cool actually. I may pick it up at some point but I just have too much games that I don't play as it is to get another one.
 

Raduque

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There is not upside to preorders. I just don't get it.

I preorder things to get exclusive (physical) bonuses. Like the Revenant statue. I pre-ordered the Collector's Edition of one of the Halos to get the mini helmet. Preordered Fallout 3 to get the lunchbox and bobblehead. I wish I had pre-ordered Homeworld Remastered so I could get the Mothership statue. I really regret missing that one.
 

blake0812

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If the single player campaign isn't at least 15-20 hours then no. 5 hour campaign shooters pffft.

From what i've read there's been two studios working on multiplayer and campaign respectively: A group of ex bungie guys for multiplayer and id guys for campaign
 

moonbogg

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$40 DLC/Season pass announced before the game even launches.

http://www.polygon.com/2016/4/6/11377108/doom-open-beta-date-dlc-season-pass-pc-ps4-xbox-one

Deal-breaker for me at least, definitely not buying day one for $60. Probably going to do what I do with all games with DLC, pick it up in a year or two cheap during a Steam sale. I hope I'm not overreacting but seems like something Doom shouldn't have.

You are not overreacting. These days, they give you half a game at full price then charge you again for the other half of the game. Games should not cost $100.00. That's just stupid.
 

AdamK47

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I preorder things to get exclusive (physical) bonuses. Like the Revenant statue. I pre-ordered the Collector's Edition of one of the Halos to get the mini helmet. Preordered Fallout 3 to get the lunchbox and bobblehead. I wish I had pre-ordered Homeworld Remastered so I could get the Mothership statue. I really regret missing that one.

The mothership statue came with Homeworld Remastered Collectors Edition. It's not tied to any of that preorder nonsense.
 

moonbogg

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open beta 4/15 - 4/17

God that's perfect. I will see if I can get in on it. Its open so I assume anyone can participate. Time to turn on that GPU overclock! I hope SLI ends up working with this game. It supports 144hz, so not supporting multi GPU would be a filthy sin, almost like a cruel trick.
 

Chiropteran

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You are not overreacting. These days, they give you half a game at full price then charge you again for the other half of the game. Games should not cost $100.00. That's just stupid.

In 1985, people were paying $60, sometimes $70 for hot new NES games. I am pretty sure that after you factor in inflation, $100 today is effectively cheaper.
 

DooKey

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I'll buy for the single player once it goes on sale. Screw new prices for half finished games.
 

CuriousMike

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In 1985, people were paying $60, sometimes $70 for hot new NES games. I am pretty sure that after you factor in inflation, $100 today is effectively cheaper.

Not only that, but the costs of developing those games were *significantly* less; fewer men on the job for a shorter schedule.

When I started in the video game industry in 1990, there were typically 1-2 engineers and 1-2 artists on a project. By 1996, that was 2-3 engineers, 2-3 artists. By 2000, we could have 6-10 engineers.

By 2013, that's more like 10-15 engineers, as many artists, 4-5 designers, an army of QA.
For longer development.
 

leper84

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Not only that, but the costs of developing those games were *significantly* less; fewer men on the job for a shorter schedule.

When I started in the video game industry in 1990, there were typically 1-2 engineers and 1-2 artists on a project. By 1996, that was 2-3 engineers, 2-3 artists. By 2000, we could have 6-10 engineers.

By 2013, that's more like 10-15 engineers, as many artists, 4-5 designers, an army of QA.
For longer development.

And a fraction of sales as now I'm sure.

I'd buy at $100 day one, but it better have a 20 hour single player campaign and free multiplayer maps; zero season pass DLC nonsense.
 

TechBoyJK

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And a fraction of sales as now I'm sure.

I'd buy at $100 day one, but it better have a 20 hour single player campaign and free multiplayer maps; zero season pass DLC nonsense.

Budget restrictions aside, I'd easily pay $100+ for the Far Cry games. I really enjoy them.
 
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