Doom 3 "Evil"?

[Robor]

Originally posted by: bluemax

Originally posted by: edro13
They are a perfect example of why this country is so fuct up. Do they work for the FCC by chance?

No... I think our country is messed up because the general public can watch and control blood, gore, splattered brains and pure unadulterated evil with the mindset "that's so #@!$ cool!!"

Doom3 may be a technical marvel, a breakthrough in graphics realism, but the content of the game is pure trash.
The idea of placing a shotgun in your hand and blowing away anything in a spray of gore is bad enough - making it as real as possible is worse still. Nothing new, of course, but these guys have always made a point of making things as real, scary, gory, and nasty as possible. Much to the delight of a screwed-up generation. Making the targets "demons" only further screws up the mindset of athiests and Christians alike.

Compare our entertainment with that of 20 years ago. Compare that with 40 years ago. Notice the trend? TV used to be safe for the whole family, now even prime time is full of stuff kids should not see.

And yes, it DOES affect you... the sheer intolerance, ignorance and irritability in this thread (and many others like it) is but one facet.

No, one hour of Doom is not going to make you an axe-murderer. A lifetime of violence and gore won't either - but it will lead to a more aggressive personality, more susceptible to violence than otherwise.
I've seen it.


That said, Doom3 and many games like it will not be permitted in my home either. It's not so much a religious matter, but more the fact that it's just plain hideous. Garbage in, garbage out. You put pure evil violence into your head, your life will reflect it - one way or another.

Unfortunately it sounds like you have kids. I pity them. Hope you've got cashed saved for therapy..

 

[Abhoth]

Evil, as such, is about us throughout our lives. But this is a GAME! It's like watching a scarey movie, only this time you're in it!

I respect your faith... they should do the same. Strikes me that they brought you up well enough to know right from wrong, good from evil, real life as opposed to a game.

Sure it's their house... but they need to begin to let go a bit and trust that they've done a good job bringing you up.... and you need to reassure them that they did so!

Fantastic game.............!

 

[BespinReactorShaft]

Yep, yep... playing Doom 3 will turn you into one of Satan's minions. Same as listening to rock music will.

Oh, and, by the way hearsay watching too much of The Matrix will turn you into a latex and/or PVC fetishist.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: bluemax

Originally posted by: edro13
They are a perfect example of why this country is so fuct up. Do they work for the FCC by chance?

No... I think our country is messed up because the general public can watch and control blood, gore, splattered brains and pure unadulterated evil with the mindset "that's so #@!$ cool!!"

Doom3 may be a technical marvel, a breakthrough in graphics realism, but the content of the game is pure trash.
The idea of placing a shotgun in your hand and blowing away anything in a spray of gore is bad enough - making it as real as possible is worse still. Nothing new, of course, but these guys have always made a point of making things as real, scary, gory, and nasty as possible. Much to the delight of a screwed-up generation. Making the targets "demons" only further screws up the mindset of athiests and Christians alike.

Compare our entertainment with that of 20 years ago. Compare that with 40 years ago. Notice the trend? TV used to be safe for the whole family, now even prime time is full of stuff kids should not see.

And yes, it DOES affect you... the sheer intolerance, ignorance and irritability in this thread (and many others like it) is but one facet.

No, one hour of Doom is not going to make you an axe-murderer. A lifetime of violence and gore won't either - but it will lead to a more aggressive personality, more susceptible to violence than otherwise.
I've seen it.


That said, Doom3 and many games like it will not be permitted in my home either. It's not so much a religious matter, but more the fact that it's just plain hideous. Garbage in, garbage out. You put pure evil violence into your head, your life will reflect it - one way or another.

BS. Everything you say is BS pure and simple.

I would still be intolerable and irratable even if violent games were never invented.

It's because it's the way it is it's because it's the way I am.

How a person can remain so ignorant and spout off crap like that is amazing. Humans are violent people, we have had violent entertainment and violent tendancies. Some more pronounced then others.

We need violence because certain times it is nessicary. And if you want to tell me that entertainment 40 years ago was wholesome and very wonderfull compared to the entertainment today your obviously from a different universe.

Sure the media is full of crap constantly. Sure TV sucks and is full of useless garbage. But I don't watch it, I don't go to see crappy movies, but video games are fun. Quake2 is fun. Doom3 is fun. Grand theft auto is fun.

They are fantasies, and sure if we lived in a world full of love and lollypops it would probably affect me. But we have a little thing called a "reality check". There are things in life that remind us of what real violence does. And I'd bet those f*cks that chop off people's heads for their religion never watched a slasher film or played Doom.

And I don't know about you, but if you ever noticed that in games like GTA:

YOU DIE A HORRIBLE AND PAINFULL DEATH EVERY 30 SECONDS.

You loose that game, it's impossible to win. Sure you can complete a story, but most of the time you can't survive for more then 15 minutes before you get run over, arrested or shot. You LOOSE EVERY TIME. The best you can do is put off loosing for maybe 15 or 20 minutes.

It's not like Gansta' rap (which is pure fantasy for the most part) were the people who deal drugs get lots of money, lots of girls, and lots of respect.

Now that's crap. That is pure crap. Lots of movies are like that, the most violent, the most evil always seems to win and the nice guy gets crapped on.

There are games that say the bad guy always wins, but most of those are crap. Just like the movies that follow a similar theme. Why? Because they were made by morons.

That's not what is happening in Doom3. The nice guy is YOU. Your stuck in a crappy situation and you have to do what you can to protect mandkind from the dimensions of hell.

No game or any amount of games can shape a person's personality. If a person plays lots of games and is a a-hole, it's not because he plays crappy games, but it's because he was a A-hole to begin with.

 

[Xionide]

I have seen some of you post that younger kids need to get a solid feeling of reality before they should play these games. I call bullshit. The way kids think is very different then the way adults think but that doesnt mean that they cant tell the difference between whats on a screen or real life. If that were the case we would be living in a land that has children mass murdering because they saw a mouse and cat fighting on tv. I am not saying to let a 5 year old play doom 3 but they certainly would know its just the magic picture box.

-Xionide

 

[Yanagi]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: chazdraves
Biggest reason they even found out is that one of my friends who was over last night (genius that he ain't) was asked by my mom "well, is it as cool as it's supposed to be?" And he was like, "Yeah, it's really sweet, there's this one dude and he's like 'I know Satan exists... I built his cave.'" Which A) I beilieve is supposed to be cage and B) doesn't set a real positive mood for parents... Such a deal...

That reminds me of the time I left an audio cassette with the song "Satan" by Orbital in my religious friend's family van by accident. His family got into the van, started it up, and then the radio came on full blast blaring "Satan! Satan! Satan!" :Q

In any event, when I was 5 I was not allowed to watch G.I. Joe because my mom thought it was too violent. Maybe that will make you feel a little better. My family isn't even religious. Go figure.

I'm personally not affected by videogames, movie or television in the least. I've seen my share of graphic stuff and I have yet to commit a crime.

Isn't that the song where Kirk Hammet guestplays? Or am I totally wrong here... :S

 

[drag]

When I was a little kid I would line up my toys to suffer the imaginary fate of being smothered by hot lava. (sand pile with a plastic with water in it in the top.). I would play cops and robbers, and pretend to shoot my little brother. A few times I was caught beating the snot out of some defenseless bush with a stick. I thought it was funny to tie a toy to the cat's tail and watch it panic and run circles to try to get it off. I would play swords, blow up worn out toys with firecrackers and I wanted a BB gun SOOO bad. I'd throw rocks at birds, and once accidently embedded the tip of a yard dart in the side of my house. Hell, I'd play with my GI Joes and create a story which every one of the friends (crappy joes, and toys that didn't quite fit into the GI Joe world) would die miserable suffering deaths to the evil (just the toys I though would look scary if they were real life. Not even Cobra, just whatever. GI Joes and Cobras would get mixed up between sides, along with stuffed animals and He-man and whatever else I could find) forces and my favorite character at the time would freak out and go on a muderous rampage and end up a hero.

And the most violent game I had played by then was DigDug.

Every other kid I'd ever known, especially if they were a healthy male, were pretty close to the same thing. With variations in temperment. So what? In real life I never even been in a fight, although I had to stand up for myself plenty of times. Been close to be sure.

 

[chazdraves]

Originally posted by: Xionide
I have seen some of you post that younger kids need to get a solid feeling of reality before they should play these games. I call bullshit. The way kids think is very different then the way adults think but that doesnt mean that they cant tell the difference between whats on a screen or real life. If that were the case we would be living in a land that has children mass murdering because they saw a mouse and cat fighting on tv. I am not saying to let a 5 year old play doom 3 but they certainly would know its just the magic picture box.

-Xionide

Relative to that - Personally I'm interested in seeing how the 3-year olds of today fair when they get older. The video games we grew up with were far less believeable then the ones they have to veg on. For my part, if I played a game as a kid, it was mario or it was contra for NES - that's pretty obvious it's not real, but stuff like Doom 3? It'd be much easier (whether it'll happen or not, I'm not to say) to confuse for a real situation than stompin' goombas.

But, reality is: there's always been violence, there's always been people with pre-dispositions to violent acts, and there's always been a good chunk of us to keep 'em in check.

- Chaz

 

[Fenixgoon]

i started playing doom when i was six. have been playing FPS games since. have i murdered anyone? nope.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Confused
Nope, your parents are being totally stupid. If they can't see the difference between a game and reality, well then...tough.


I always remember this quote when things are said about computer games:

Computer games don't affect kids. I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all run around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive music.

Confused

Um what you didnt do this in the 80s?
oh crap...
maybe I did play too much pac man..

 

[chazdraves]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
i started playing doom when i was six. have been playing FPS games since. have i murdered anyone? nope.

Assuming that's in response to my post, perhaps I had better clarify...

I'm in no way saying the next generation will grow up to be a bunch of axe murderers. I'm just making a general question - will having more realistic/violent games growing up affect any kind of violence trend in the coming generation? I'm not saying yes or no, and most likely no, but I think it's an interesting question to ponder.

- Chaz

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Yanagi

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: chazdraves
Biggest reason they even found out is that one of my friends who was over last night (genius that he ain't) was asked by my mom "well, is it as cool as it's supposed to be?" And he was like, "Yeah, it's really sweet, there's this one dude and he's like 'I know Satan exists... I built his cave.'" Which A) I beilieve is supposed to be cage and B) doesn't set a real positive mood for parents... Such a deal...

That reminds me of the time I left an audio cassette with the song "Satan" by Orbital in my religious friend's family van by accident. His family got into the van, started it up, and then the radio came on full blast blaring "Satan! Satan! Satan!" :Q

In any event, when I was 5 I was not allowed to watch G.I. Joe because my mom thought it was too violent. Maybe that will make you feel a little better. My family isn't even religious. Go figure.

I'm personally not affected by videogames, movie or television in the least. I've seen my share of graphic stuff and I have yet to commit a crime.

Isn't that the song where Kirk Hammet guestplays? Or am I totally wrong here... :S

I have no idea. It was a stupid song and I haven't listened to it in ~5 years. I just found the intro to the song kinda funny:

"Daddy?"
"Yes, son?"
"What does regret mean?"
"Well son, it's better to regret something you have done than to regret something you haven't done. Oh, and by the way, if you see your mom tell her I say 'Satan! Satan! Satan!'"

Such a silly song.

I shouldn't have said that I left my tape in their van; it was actually my friend's tape. He told his family it was mine in order to cover up the situation so I got confused when I posted the first message.

 

[skace]

That song may be silly, but orbital rocks

 

[GiggityGiggity]

See, this is why we need an outright EVIL game. One where there is no confusion for the religious right, no debate. I want to play a zombie, werewolf, devil, and/or vampire where I roam through various churches, gas stations, city halls, congress, schools, the oscars, etc...and eat brains, maim victims, put them through a cadre of medieval torture devices, force them to watch episodes of frasier/will & grace/seinfeld, you know...outright evil. Where the goal is simply to remove any shred of remaining humanity and become one with the shadow. Clatto Verata Nicto!!!!!!!

 

[Bulldog13]

I read maybe 30 posts and skipped to the end.

The SAME EXACT thing happened to a friend of mine with Diablo I. His parents walked in on the opening screen, where there is a flaming picture of satan. The flipped the $hit.

Needless to say, the parents were right. In fact they parented so well that 2 years later he was living out of a car and a dumpster addicted to heroin.

There are much bigger concerns your parents should have then what game you play.

 

[dfi]

Originally posted by: bluemax

Originally posted by: edro13
They are a perfect example of why this country is so fuct up. Do they work for the FCC by chance?

No... I think our country is messed up because the general public can watch and control blood, gore, splattered brains and pure unadulterated evil with the mindset "that's so #@!$ cool!!"

Doom3 may be a technical marvel, a breakthrough in graphics realism, but the content of the game is pure trash.
The idea of placing a shotgun in your hand and blowing away anything in a spray of gore is bad enough - making it as real as possible is worse still. Nothing new, of course, but these guys have always made a point of making things as real, scary, gory, and nasty as possible. Much to the delight of a screwed-up generation. Making the targets "demons" only further screws up the mindset of athiests and Christians alike.

Compare our entertainment with that of 20 years ago. Compare that with 40 years ago. Notice the trend? TV used to be safe for the whole family, now even prime time is full of stuff kids should not see.

And yes, it DOES affect you... the sheer intolerance, ignorance and irritability in this thread (and many others like it) is but one facet.

No, one hour of Doom is not going to make you an axe-murderer. A lifetime of violence and gore won't either - but it will lead to a more aggressive personality, more susceptible to violence than otherwise.
I've seen it.


That said, Doom3 and many games like it will not be permitted in my home either. It's not so much a religious matter, but more the fact that it's just plain hideous. Garbage in, garbage out. You put pure evil violence into your head, your life will reflect it - one way or another.

In the past, books were too realistic. Right now, it's television, movies, and video games. In the future, it'll be virtual reality. But no matter how things change, the elders will always note one self-evident truth: things were better yesteryear.

dfi

 

[BurnItDwn]

Doom 3 is a game in which nobody gets hurt. Therefore it is not evil.

 

[dejacky]

sounds to me that perhaps their information concerning the game is coming from a somewhat biased source that has not evaluated the game itself. Sure, it has demons. So does the Bible. Sure, it has explicit violence. So does the Bible. Sure, it can be reptitive. So can the Bible. The pivoting factor in all of this is that in playing the game, your role is to combat evil, and from a moral perspective it's in line with the Bible in that good does not align itself with the Hellspawn demonic legions. If they want to be legalistic about the portrails and accuracy, remind then that it is a fictional game and if they are still concerned, tell them where to go (albeit politely if you value free rent).

Very good perception w/ insight of your religious beliefs. Bring these arguments to your parents for a peaceful discussion on the matter.

You don't see their "logic" because there is no "logic" behind their actions. Simply a form of xenophobia, neuroticism, and a tendency to call something "evil" when you don't understand it, or don't want to take the effort to understand it.

I agree with this 100% because it is completely correct.

If you can't differentiate between a game and reality than there is a problem. That part is concrete. The argument should not go past that.

Again, this is completely true.
If you're parents can't see why their logic is fallacious and UNHEALTHY, then it really is time to move out..you can still love them, but live your life instead of being afraid of things that are allegedly "swaying one from faith..."
If all else fails....:

Doom 3 Is evil.
Kill your parents.

this comment made me laugh so hard! It reminds us that Doom 3 is not evil, nor does it make a person evil, or suggest to someone to do "evil" or "immoral" things. To those persons, including any parents who believe video games like this and other similarities are the culprit, GROW UP AND TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS INSTEAD OF BLAMING THEM ON THINGS YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!

 

[glugglug]

Get Diablo II. Play all the cinematics with the sound cranked up until they beg you to go back to Doom.

 

[Xionide]

Im glad I dont have to live my life according to what others see as evil. In light of this thread I think I will get a pentogram tattoo with "doom" written on it somewhere.

-Xionide

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Xionide
Im glad I dont have to live my life according to what others see as evil. In light of this thread I think I will get a pentogram tattoo with "doom" written on it somewhere.

-Xionide

If you're going to get a silly tattoo like that, make sure they spell it correctly.

 

[Jeff7181]

No offense... your parents are insane.

 

[railer]

I'll just write the word "pentogram" on my arm where tatoos normally go; then everyone will know i'm badass.

So Chaz, do you still have the game installed? Still playing it? How are the folks doing with it?

That's quite a progressive and intelligent sig you have there, btw....

 

[Xionide]

Originally posted by: railer
I'll just write the word "pentogram" on my arm where tatoos normally go; then everyone will know i'm badass.

So Chaz, do you still have the game installed? Still playing it? How are the folks doing with it?

That's quite a progressive and intelligent sig you have there, btw....

(chaz's sig)Wow, just wow.

-Xionide

 

[wviperw]

For all you saying "games don't affect people," here was my response to an article on "Too Much Blood" a couple years back, and I still think it holds true:

Reality vs. Virtual Reality (AKA, Does killing on screen
relate to killing off screen): First of all, the statement
"Instead of blasting away at cartoon antagonists, you?d be
ripping apart human flesh with knife and gun." bothered me.
If a game is photo-realistic, it doesn't make it reality. At
least, not yet. The primary difference being consequences.
Digitally murdering someone doesn't have to have logical
consequences per se, however really doing it DOES. Programmers
can of course build into a game consequences. But then where does
that leave this "Virtual Reality" that we call it? How
do we now distinguish between realities? I'm not so sure there is
a way. Its not like our minds are convinced that THIS reality is
any better than an identical (or almost identical) reality
created in a video game. So that is the main reason why I can see
people having a problem with photo-realism. There comes a point
in which our minds DON'T distinguish a difference between game
and life, or at the very least it starts to get blurry.


Yes, there was a certain amount of insanity required to make any
of the murders of recent history do what they did due to a
cartoonish video game such as Doom. Let's assume that there has
been some murders who were actually messed up enough to mix up
Doom and Life. There is a large gap between the two, but their
insanity overcame that. HOWEVER, as games become more and more
like reality, this gap lessens. Eventually there will come a
point in which THERE IS NO GAP, and then what happens?