Doom 3 "Evil"?

[wviperw]

Also, the issue of whether a Christian should play Doom 3 is quite simple.

If that Christian truly believes Phillipians 4:8

Philip. 4: 8, "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

then I really don't see any room for Doom 3. The question to be asking from a Christian POV is not "Is this thing evil?", it is "Is this thing pure and will it further my faith?". Of course, then that Christian must not be partial to just Doom 3, but must truly examine everything in his life. A majority of Christians today don't follow the above passage in all areas, or even most areas, and therefore lack consistency. You often see Christians who are willing to go to the latest flick with profanity in it, yet condemn the use of profanity for their kids. Inconsistency at its best.

If you truly want to change your parent's POV, you'll have to point out their inconsistencies. Of course, you'll be risking losing everything if they realize the full meaning of the above passage. But after all, isn't that what the Christian faith is--losing the world to gain God?

 

[ViciouS]

Wow, there are other families like mine out there? My family does things like not celebrating Halloween, which is not a big deal to me. I believe that it?s a screwed up holiday and quite frankly it?s corny as hell. I have found it to be a good excuse to make sun dried omelets on my neighbor?s houses, well the ones that told me I couldn?t play football in the street (a very dead street with no traffic), but nothing my parents ever found out about.

Anyway when Diablo came out they nearly shat a brick. It had the devil on the cover and it was ugly. So I sold it to them, I told them exactly what I thought they wanted to hear. The devil gets out, and it?s my job to use the word of god to send him back, oh yeah and my sword. It was a tuff sale, it took weeks then finally they caved. This all happened when I was 17 or so. My brother and I even went as far as going to my brother?s house that lived across town to play. Like I said I worked them hard enough and they caved, so I got to play it at home eventualy.

Diablo II is a totally different story. I was 22 and just moved back to home. My mom had seen the Diablo II cover and freaked out. When listing the features of DIABLO II on the cover they should have mentioned "Cover is even more Evil than the original" "sure to freak out your ultra Christian mom?. Selling her on Diablo II was pointless. I wound up spending 250 dollars on Diablo II. Replacing the "thrown away" copies was a real financial pain in the wallet.

Doom 3, besides the title, is not as evil as DIABLO, or DIABLO II. First off, your character is a normal human, with guns, no spells. He?s not summoning or casting anything. He?s blasting the devils happy arse back to hell, atleast from what I've seen (I've played about 75% of it). This, at least from knowing my moms point of view should be an easy sale. I personally don't think I'm backsliding because I?m playing a video game. It?s a game, I know this, it?s not real, and it will not affect my beliefs or views of how I should live my life. It will not affect my faith at all. It will not make me a bad Christian. If you want to play it hide the "evil" box and the "evil" CD case. This all depends how bad you want to play. Also try not to have all your friends in the room rooting you on, something about a bunch of screaming teenagers makes old people feel un-easy.

Oh yes, one last thing. I have repented several times for egging my neighbor?s house.

Sorry lord please bless that angry old man and forgive me for vandalizing his house. In Jesus name we pray?.. Amen

One more time couldn?t hurt!

Good Luck and Happy Gaming

ViciouS


P.S. If anyone is offended by my beliefs in Jesus, trust me I'm not insulted if you are an atheist or believe in Buddha, Mohamed or insert god here ____________. To each his own, freedom of religion, welcome to America.

 

[syconub]

Originally posted by: ViciouS
Wow, there are other families like mine out there? My family does things like not celebrating Halloween, which is not a big deal to me. I believe that it?s a screwed up holiday and quite frankly it?s corny as hell. I have found it to be a good excuse to make sun dried omelets on my neighbor?s houses, well the ones that told me I couldn?t play football in the street (a very dead street with no traffic), but nothing my parents ever found out about.

Anyway when Diablo came out they nearly shat a brick. It had the devil on the cover and it was ugly. So I sold it to them, I told them exactly what I thought they wanted to hear. The devil gets out, and it?s my job to use the word of god to send him back, oh yeah and my sword. It was a tuff sale, it took weeks then finally they caved. This all happened when I was 17 or so. My brother and I even went as far as going to my brother?s house that lived across town to play. Like I said I worked them hard enough and they caved, so I got to play it at home eventualy.

Diablo II is a totally different story. I was 22 and just moved back to home. My mom had seen the Diablo II cover and freaked out. When listing the features of DIABLO II on the cover they should have mentioned "Cover is even more Evil than the original" "sure to freak out your ultra Christian mom?. Selling her on Diablo II was pointless. I wound up spending 250 dollars on Diablo II. Replacing the "thrown away" copies was a real financial pain in the wallet.

Doom 3, besides the title, is not as evil as DIABLO, or DIABLO II. First off, your character is a normal human, with guns, no spells. He?s not summoning or casting anything. He?s blasting the devils happy arse back to hell, atleast from what I've seen (I've played about 75% of it). This, at least from knowing my moms point of view should be an easy sale. I personally don't think I'm backsliding because I?m playing a video game. It?s a game, I know this, it?s not real, and it will not affect my beliefs or views of how I should live my life. It will not affect my faith at all. It will not make me a bad Christian. If you want to play it hide the "evil" box and the "evil" CD case. This all depends how bad you want to play. Also try not to have all your friends in the room rooting you on, something about a bunch of screaming teenagers makes old people feel un-easy.

Oh yes, one last thing. I have repented several times for egging my neighbor?s house.

Sorry lord please bless that angry old man and forgive me for vandalizing his house. In Jesus name we pray?.. Amen

One more time couldn?t hurt!

Good Luck and Happy Gaming

ViciouS


P.S. If anyone is offended by my beliefs in Jesus, trust me I'm not insulted if you are an atheist or believe in Buddha, Mohamed or insert god here ____________. To each his own, freedom of religion, welcome to America.

by the way, VERY well covered, and i think that nomatter how stubborn your parents are, if you take your time, NOT egging them on, or being annoying, you have a chance of getting them to cave. But there is that point where you know that if you ask one more time, or make one more nice comment just so you can play d3 or any other "devilike" game, that they are going to tear your head off your shoulders for pushing it. And you can avoid that very easily if you time everything right, and know how to subliminally beg your parents to let you play this game. (trust me im an expert on the "turning no into yes) It's just knowing when to stop, and timing it all.

dont forget joseph smith....jk jk

 

[Insomniak]

I'd tell your parents, frankly, that if they're that insecure in their faith and yours, they need to spend more time working on it and less time on inspecting your software....

I hate to sound trite, but if a video game can sway you to following big ol mean Satan, or if they're even remotely worried about that kind of thing, they have bigger issues than you taking the lead to imps.

/$.02

EDIT: Oh, and which had more blood - Doom 3 or The Passion?

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Czar
tell them you are playing gods soldier in the game killing all evil so in a sense its a good game stamped ok by god

or something

I like this response. It is "politically correct" in the context of the alleged conversation, yet it is a "middle finger" at the same time. Very nice.

I can't stand Bible Belters; they think they are so superior. They force their beliefs on everyone and look down their noses at anyone who doesn't agree with them.

I hope you leave your parents home before you get too fcked in the head to be able to function as a normal, free-thinking adult with a brain. As opposed to a "product" of your home environ.

 

[Xionide]

Why did mods move this to software. This has nothing to do with installing/problems with the game. It is strictly a conversation about the game. WTF?

-Xionide

 

[RockGuitarDude]

I don't really think the game is evil. What is evil is the price for a video card to run it nicely.

 

[Xionide]

BTW is doom 3 for xbox out yet?

-Xionide

 

[chazdraves]

Doom 3 for X-Box is supposed to hit like October 4th as I remember. (Can't run the PC version? Cause the X-Box version really doesn't compare if you check screenies, but you do get Co-Op play!)

I still have the game installed, and I don't really know if they know or not. I've been playing whilst they are home, but they haven't specifically come in and checked it out nor made an effort to pry about it. Heck, they haven't said a darn thing about it since the first night...

I completely agree that, "it's just a game". I'm not sure what kinda basis they feel they have, but I personally disagree, though I suspect they've given up worrying about it.

As far as the sig goes, "thanks". It's obviously not my own creation. I like it mostly for the last line, but I do agree with the rest of it, though given the mood of this thread it'd probably be a worse idea to bring up those issues, heh, the Hell that would unleash...

As far as the mods moving the post... I just got some generic PM about "it's too on-topic to be off-topic". Like my parents point, I really disagree, but I guess it is as discussion about software kinda... Whatever, it's easy enough to find the thread under "Hot Topics" so it's got no real effect moving it...

For anyone interested, I think I'm about 50% through the game. I'm in Delta now and finally started seeing the little baby things with pincers... creepy...

- Chaz

P.S. $250 for Diablo II? Ouch, musta been one sweet game to chunk that out to keep playing...

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: bluemax

Originally posted by: edro13
They are a perfect example of why this country is so fuct up. Do they work for the FCC by chance?

No... I think our country is messed up because the general public can watch and control blood, gore, splattered brains and pure unadulterated evil with the mindset "that's so #@!$ cool!!"

Doom3 may be a technical marvel, a breakthrough in graphics realism, but the content of the game is pure trash.
The idea of placing a shotgun in your hand and blowing away anything in a spray of gore is bad enough - making it as real as possible is worse still. Nothing new, of course, but these guys have always made a point of making things as real, scary, gory, and nasty as possible. Much to the delight of a screwed-up generation. Making the targets "demons" only further screws up the mindset of athiests and Christians alike.

Compare our entertainment with that of 20 years ago. Compare that with 40 years ago. Notice the trend? TV used to be safe for the whole family, now even prime time is full of stuff kids should not see.

And yes, it DOES affect you... the sheer intolerance, ignorance and irritability in this thread (and many others like it) is but one facet.

No, one hour of Doom is not going to make you an axe-murderer. A lifetime of violence and gore won't either - but it will lead to a more aggressive personality, more susceptible to violence than otherwise.
I've seen it.


That said, Doom3 and many games like it will not be permitted in my home either. It's not so much a religious matter, but more the fact that it's just plain hideous. Garbage in, garbage out. You put pure evil violence into your head, your life will reflect it - one way or another.

Honestly dude. If media had that much effect on us, why aren't we all behaving like "leave it to beaver" or "Lassie" or something? Media can have both a positive and negative effect but it is quite minimal.

 

[Cheetah8799]

I just saw this thread and felt like putting in my two cents...

In response to the OP.

If you really want to let your parents control your life, well, go ahead and stop playing a game that they think is evil.

I have friends, and friends of friends, who have been in your situation with a super-religous family and they let their parents control their lives. Even well beyond legal adulthood. Most in issues related to marriage and who they can date and such. One buddy from high school had to hide from his parents the fact that he liked Metallica because his parents thought it was devil music...

I don't know how old you are, but I think you should maybe decide on your own if you think the game is evil and turning you towards the devil...

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: Czar
tell them you are playing gods soldier in the game killing all evil so in a sense its a good game stamped ok by god

or something

I like this response. It is "politically correct" in the context of the alleged conversation, yet it is a "middle finger" at the same time. Very nice.

I can't stand Bible Belters; they think they are so superior. They force their beliefs on everyone and look down their noses at anyone who doesn't agree with them.

I hope you leave your parents home before you get too fcked in the head to be able to function as a normal, free-thinking adult with a brain. As opposed to a "product" of your home environ.

Pot. Kettle. Black? Hmmm....

 

[trexpesto]

comments on confused's post:

Computer games don't affect kids. I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all run around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive music.

That is HILARIOUS! The first real LOL I ever got off of AT. Thank you confused!

Nope, your parents are being totally stupid. If they can't see the difference between a game and reality, well then...tough.

Yeh I think they are having trouble telling between a certain Book and reality...

Kind of agree with the garbage in - garbage out comment. Everything has effect on us to some degree, if only because it is taking away time you could spend doing better stuff like skateboarding or flirting or looking through the community college catalog. You should not just shovel your brainhole full of other people's commercial offerings. Howabout drawing or learning to program games.
But a little downtime doesnt hurt. Much.

EDIT: PS I'll buy it for $20 + shipping.

 

[chazdraves]

Originally posted by: trexpesto
comments on confused's post:

Computer games don't affect kids. I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all run around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive music.

That is HILARIOUS! The first real LOL I ever got off of AT. Thank you confused!

Nope, your parents are being totally stupid. If they can't see the difference between a game and reality, well then...tough.

Yeh I think they are having trouble telling between a certain Book and reality...

Kind of agree with the garbage in - garbage out comment. Everything has effect on us to some degree, if only because it is taking away time you could spend doing better stuff like skateboarding or flirting or looking through the community college catalog. You should not just shovel your brainhole full of other people's commercial offerings. Howabout drawing or learning to program games.
But a little downtime doesnt hurt. Much.

EDIT: PS I'll buy it for $20 + shipping.

Heh, too great a game to sell. Humurous idea though.

Actually, one thing I like about games like Doom3 and the alike is that they kinda force me to do other things. For anyone who didn't read the previous 160-some posts, I'm 18, hence the reason this is a bit of an issue. Anyhow, I can't play "creepy games" for real long because they just get under my skin and I take a break (I blame this mostly on my "babysitter" showing me Gremlins well before I was intelligent enough to watch it and know it's not real ). Anyhow, once I'm creeped out enough I just run out side and swing swords/climb trees for a while.

BTW - Am I the only 18-year-old guy that still climbs trees? Maybe it's just cause we don't have any mountains, I don't know, but I find it quite satisfying...

For those keeping track: day 6 and still no mention from the parents about anything regarding Doom3... and I'm at the Monorail part (silly little fly-baby things...).

- Chaz

 

[newb54]

I am just cracking up over the fact that you are 18 and your parents are telling you what video games you can play.

 

[mi1stormilst]

Primary issue is that your parents made the mistake of calling the game EVIL. True there are some disturbing images and activities going on. I am a parent of 4...I will simply tell my children not in my house...period. There is no sense in fighting a loosing battle. I own the home you want to live here these are my rules. Like it or not they can pull this on you. Now this is coming from a kid who once went to JUVI for breaking a bunch of crap in the house after my Mom threw away birthday gifts for my girlfriend. Heck it was a U2 album, a Benneton shirt, and a Depeche Mode poster (evil she claimed)...hahah. Seriously dude if your life revolves so tightly around going against your parents wishes to play a stupid video game...then you need to get a life. Sorry just my opinion bro...good luck.

PS: I bought it...I get to play the game...but kids can't...nothing like being a Hypocrite!

 

[kingshoc]

Scary!!!!!!

 

[imported_theEman]

Wow, tough parents. Good luck, dude.

 

[nippyjun]

As long as you live under your parents roof you have to abide by their rules. On the other hand you are now an adult and they should respect and trust your decisions.

 

[ShawnD1]

Your parents are such n00bs. They didn't even read the FAQ.

FAQ by id Software

Quake manual, page 22.

 

[shamgar03]

Ok, I skipped to the part where some other guy said he skipped to the end and then skipped to the end, so I will try not to repeat, but no promises. I am a Christian (heh shamgar is ACTUALLY in the bible), and I dont think Doom III is inherinantly evil. I certianly don't think your going to go to hell for playing any video game not EVEN a game based on playboy theme (fyi, I don't have and won't play such a stupid game). BUT I would say you have to watch what you put in your head. I haven't bought Doom III, but a guy on my hall got it and having the sweetest computer around I will probobly get my chance just so they can see how good it can look. My parents gave up trying to censor my games a long time ago. A man named paul once said "'everything is permissible for me', but not everything is beneficial. 'Everything is permissible' for me, but I will not be mastered by anything".http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?passage=1COR+6&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on The point is not one of this game being right or wrong, but of reason. If you are playing the game to escape reality then it is not beneficial. If you are playing it to relax it is beneficial. If you are playing it and pretending the bad guys are your parents (I sincerely hope not) then it could be said to not be beneficial. Fun is a benefit. You might not find Jesus there, but relaxation is fine. For the second part, even pac-man can be bad for you in excess. Just don't get addicted the way I did to everquest (yikes...). In the end it might be better to inform your parents of these things and then trust their decision until you are out of their house. In the end you may make a better point by showing that this game hasn't made you a bad person who all of a sudden rebels against his parents. Sorry I was gonna give my 2 cents worth but that was like a buck fifty.

 

[alisajid]

Well, as a sign of protest you could always go oedipal on them.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: alisajid
Well, as a sign of protest you could always go oedipal on them.

Then the media would blame Doom 3, and kids everywhere would get screwed over just like this guy is.

 

[alisajid]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: alisajid
Well, as a sign of protest you could always go oedipal on them.

Then the media would blame Doom 3, and kids everywhere would get screwed over just like this guy is.

More entertainment for the masses.

 

[shamgar03]

Originally posted by: alisajid

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: alisajid
Well, as a sign of protest you could always go oedipal on them.

Then the media would blame Doom 3, and kids everywhere would get screwed over just like this guy is.

More entertainment for the masses.

Doom: a good time is had by all even people who hate it enjoy hating on it.