Doom 3 "Evil"?

[OMG1Penguin]

Mom - "I don't like that game"
You - "Meh, I like it"

Let them know YOUR opinions just as much as they let you know theirs. They will perceive this as a mature response, and then you can be like "OMG teh game ix rated mature to!", and subsequently win teh prize.

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: Xionide
Your family should be liquidated.

-Xionide

::thumbs up::

 

[ArmchairAthlete]

Well, like you said... you are FIGHTING pure evil. You're not the bad guy!

Luckily you said you're 18, you'll be out of the house soon and you're old enough to buy M games anyhow.

EDIT: If Hell breaks loose on Earth, your demon-fragging skills will be in high demand! /sarcasm =)

This thread is so funny.

 

[SonicIce]

i dont think id software or john carmack are satan worshippers

 

[everman]

I can't see how Doom3 would be used to sway people "towards" evil. I mean, once you do get to hell you see that it's not a happy happy joy joy kinda place.

 

[Xionide]

Originally posted by: brigden

Computer games don't affect kids. I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all run around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive music.

That quote, while fake, is meant to be ironic, and thus you've proved the opposite of what you were attempting to.

Yes but in a way it is almost like natural selection. His point is that even if you never played any evil games something as simple as pack man could be attributed to ravers if you really wanted to go out on a limb. I think if you asked a raver why they became a raver they wouldnt be like "Well when I was little pac man chomped pills and i thought that was cool so I do it to".

-Xionide

 

[Smilin]

You are not having an internal conflict about whether your parents are right or not. You already know they are right. You are having an internal conflict over doing what's right versus getting to play Doom. That's why you came and asked this question to such an obviously biased audience. You want reassurance that it's ok.

I have no illusions. This game cannot have any possible positive influence on me that I can think of. However I have gone past my internal conflict and continue to play the game. I'm having a blast and I don't really stew on it.

You will have a hard time finding someone more excited about this game than me. If you drop this game on a good - neutral - bad scale it's going to end up on the bad side. It may or may not cause you and society any harm but I guarantee it's not going to cause good outside of providing entertainment.

I guarantee this: No one will find Jesus while playing Doom. Anyone care to disagree?

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Gravity

Also, I'm impressed at the way you respect your parents.

No sh1t there. That is quite admirable. I thought you showed particular wisdom when you said, "If my parents come about saying something's evil and I should steer clear, I will at least hear them out and consider their perspective."

Regardless if you agree with them or not they will always have your best interest in mind. The fact you listen means you know one very important thing: You don't know everything.

 

[Platinum321]

LOL!! hahaha.. good one. I should get one of those even though I don't live w/ my parents.

Just slap a sticker that says "Jesus Inside" on your tower

Regardin the original question, I can see where your parents are coming from. It's a matter of perspective and what you believe is possible. Have you witness or do you believe that you can be possessed? Most people would say no unless they've clearly seen what evil spirts (or whatever they call it) can do to someone if allowed. The point is, the game clearly depicts Satan as the source of those monsters and with time, you may wander and start experimenting in those dark areas and very bad thing can happen (it's your choice to believe or not; i don't think it will be fun if something does happen though). You're correct though, the game does not promote being Satan or anything like that, rather the devil killer so overall, I don't think it's bad other than it can scare you shitless at night by yourself. :>

After playing doom3 for a couple of hours, I would say this games much different than games like Far Cry which were mostly just science gone wrong as opposed to Satanic creations and very clear visuals of it as well.

If anything, Harry Potter has the potential to promote for satanic experimentation then Doom3 that may lead to unwanted experiences.

 

[n0cmonkey]

I thinik if a pope can write erotica, then you can blast the denizens of hell back to their homeland without worry.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: pkananen
I am a strong Christian myself. I debated over Doom also. I'm 22, and living with the 'rents one last summer. They don't know I have it, and probably would think it is a bad influence for me. (flamers: NO, NOT because they are over-controlling or protective, but because as Christians we SHOULD be trying to keep each other on a standard of righteous and holy living). I think if the game causes you to have any kind of fascination with Satanic things, then don't play it. I do take the "Its practice for Armageddon" approach. Then again - honor your mother and father.

Good points all around, though it was hard to find in the typical dreck religious threads get around here . . .

http://www.cgalliance.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?s=54863fc57165a4d266ee0debf39e95cb;act=SF;f=33

Interestingly enough these guys have had some of the same discussions, it looks like.

 

[chazdraves]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I thinik if a pope can write erotica, then you can blast the denizens of hell back to their homeland without worry.

Couldn't agree more. Though (pathetic as it may or may not be) I don't have the fear tolerance (that kinda fear anyhow) to play Doom 3 for more than an hour or so at a time... Baby steps, heh.

Smilin - I would have to disagree a bit and say not that I know that they are right based on any universal standard, nor what any priest would recommend with regards to this game, but I know that whatever they say (being parents) they're automatically right. Heh... free rent, at a cost...

With regards to the game, I've been playing through it a bit more today (probably 2 hours into it or so) and I really don't find a basis for my parent's view. Of course, they also haven't even bothered asking about it today. I'm not sure where they're sitting right now with regards to such, but I'd say they've maybe at least accepted that this is "my form of escape".

Xionide, CRXican, and the like - I'm not hear to preach you anything. Heck, the only reason I brought up religion is because that's the discussion my folks and I had. I'm sorry if you can't accept that others don't share your views, but please at least be respectful enough to leave "well-enough alone" if that's how you feel. I got no problems with you guys, so let's not make this an issue, K?

- Chaz

 

[chazdraves]

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: pkananen
I am a strong Christian myself. I debated over Doom also. I'm 22, and living with the 'rents one last summer. They don't know I have it, and probably would think it is a bad influence for me. (flamers: NO, NOT because they are over-controlling or protective, but because as Christians we SHOULD be trying to keep each other on a standard of righteous and holy living). I think if the game causes you to have any kind of fascination with Satanic things, then don't play it. I do take the "Its practice for Armageddon" approach. Then again - honor your mother and father.

Good points all around, though it was hard to find in the typical dreck religious threads get around here . . .

http://www.cgalliance.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?s=54863fc57165a4d266ee0debf39e95cb;act=SF;f=33

Interestingly enough these guys have had some of the same discussions, it looks like.

Just caught your post after I pasted mine. Interesting link. Found this quoted there under a post on Doom 3, and I feel it wise.

The Bible has many things in it that if put, say, in a movie, would be fairly risque to say the least. But they are there in the context of illuminating what is evil and what is holy.

Though the game (unless Christ does a guest appearance at the end) doesn't seem to do much for "illuminating what is holy" it does show the evil and certainly doesn't promote it as a good thing, and I think that's what's more important...

- Chaz

 

[Grimbones]

Well it is sorta satanic when they are just like beamed into the room via some archaic symbol on the ground, but hey, just shoot their sh!t up , and they're done. But hey i like it.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Grimbones
Well it is sorta satanic when they are just like beamed into the room via some archaic symbol on the ground, but hey, just shoot their sh!t up , and they're done. But hey i like it.

Kinda like star trek!

 

[Andvari]

I'm a Christian myself, and I fall into the "it's just a game" category like most other people. Sure the game has pentagrams, demons, and probably someo ther evil things I'm not aware of yet, but you said it yourself: the game doesn't condone it, the game wants you to give it a lead sandwich. Your character doesn't call on any evil spirits or anything like that to get the job done, he just uses lots of artillery. I guess if anything, this is another game that politicians will cry about teaching kids to use guns. =\

So yes, there is plenty of evil in the game, but you don't take part in it. You take part in killing it, heh.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: chazdraves
The general break down of it all was that they felt (because the storyline revolves around the unleashing of Hell) that Doom 3 was just another evil tool to sway believers.

Sway believers? You're FIGHTING the evil and hellspawns, you're not one of them killing the innocents, but you're the hero trying to stop them.

 

[Runner20]

So other games arent evil?

most games these days are violent .... Call of Duty, Far Cry etc etc ... arent those games evil too?
No game is evil.

As long as your a good person a game has no power over you.

 

[ranmaniac]

I guess your parents haven't heard of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, where you can beat people to a bloody pulp on the sidewalk and take their cash, carjacking, picking up prostitutes, drug dealing, cop killing, etc.

The 6 o'clock evening news is much more disturbing than any video game..

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: chazdraves
Biggest reason they even found out is that one of my friends who was over last night (genius that he ain't) was asked by my mom "well, is it as cool as it's supposed to be?" And he was like, "Yeah, it's really sweet, there's this one dude and he's like 'I know Satan exists... I built his cave.'" Which A) I beilieve is supposed to be cage and B) doesn't set a real positive mood for parents... Such a deal...

That reminds me of the time I left an audio cassette with the song "Satan" by Orbital in my religious friend's family van by accident. His family got into the van, started it up, and then the radio came on full blast blaring "Satan! Satan! Satan!" :Q

In any event, when I was 5 I was not allowed to watch G.I. Joe because my mom thought it was too violent. Maybe that will make you feel a little better. My family isn't even religious. Go figure.

I'm personally not affected by videogames, movie or television in the least. I've seen my share of graphic stuff and I have yet to commit a crime.

 

[ArmchairAthlete]

I guarantee this: No one will find Jesus while playing Doom. Anyone care to disagree?

I guess you didn't find that hidden area... now that was cool!

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: edro13
They are a perfect example of why this country is so fuct up. Do they work for the FCC by chance?

No... I think our country is messed up because the general public can watch and control blood, gore, splattered brains and pure unadulterated evil with the mindset "that's so #@!$ cool!!"

Doom3 may be a technical marvel, a breakthrough in graphics realism, but the content of the game is pure trash.
The idea of placing a shotgun in your hand and blowing away anything in a spray of gore is bad enough - making it as real as possible is worse still. Nothing new, of course, but these guys have always made a point of making things as real, scary, gory, and nasty as possible. Much to the delight of a screwed-up generation. Making the targets "demons" only further screws up the mindset of athiests and Christians alike.

Compare our entertainment with that of 20 years ago. Compare that with 40 years ago. Notice the trend? TV used to be safe for the whole family, now even prime time is full of stuff kids should not see.

And yes, it DOES affect you... the sheer intolerance, ignorance and irritability in this thread (and many others like it) is but one facet.

No, one hour of Doom is not going to make you an axe-murderer. A lifetime of violence and gore won't either - but it will lead to a more aggressive personality, more susceptible to violence than otherwise.
I've seen it.


That said, Doom3 and many games like it will not be permitted in my home either. It's not so much a religious matter, but more the fact that it's just plain hideous. Garbage in, garbage out. You put pure evil violence into your head, your life will reflect it - one way or another.

 

[chazdraves]

Originally posted by: bluemax

Originally posted by: edro13
They are a perfect example of why this country is so fuct up. Do they work for the FCC by chance?

No... I think our country is messed up because the general public can watch and control blood, gore, splattered brains and pure unadulterated evil with the mindset "that's so #@!$ cool!!"

Doom3 may be a technical marvel, a breakthrough in graphics realism, but the content of the game is pure trash.
The idea of placing a shotgun in your hand and blowing away anything in a spray of gore is bad enough - making it as real as possible is worse still. Nothing new, of course, but these guys have always made a point of making things as real, scary, gory, and nasty as possible. Much to the delight of a screwed-up generation. Making the targets "demons" only further screws up the mindset of athiests and Christians alike.

Compare our entertainment with that of 20 years ago. Compare that with 40 years ago. Notice the trend? TV used to be safe for the whole family, now even prime time is full of stuff kids should not see.

And yes, it DOES affect you... the sheer intolerance, ignorance and irritability in this thread (and many others like it) is but one facet.

No, one hour of Doom is not going to make you an axe-murderer. A lifetime of violence and gore won't either - but it will lead to a more aggressive personality, more susceptible to violence than otherwise.
I've seen it.


That said, Doom3 and many games like it will not be permitted in my home either. It's not so much a religious matter, but more the fact that it's just plain hideous. Garbage in, garbage out. You put pure evil violence into your head, your life will reflect it - one way or another.

Now, see, that's the kind of controversial statement I expected this thread to generate, suprised at the time it took though...

I look at it a couple ways:

I DO agree that taking in violence or anything else that may be "evil" or "unclean" leaves its dirty fingers all over your mind, but there's a very important line that need be drawn...

One thing I've always felt was very important to my turning out as I have (and I'm not saying good or bad, just "as is") is that I was not raised on television, nor was I raised on video games. Like it or not, kids learn based on their environment - I'm sorry you simply cannot go around that. Kids are incredibly (and often obnoxiously) inquisitive about everything they see. There is a stage (and yes we were all there once) for an average of the first 12 years of our life and development (you did it in 8 years? congrats, that's why it's an average) where we rely on those around us (or the things around us) to teach us what reality really is. At that age, and I want to be very specific about that, during that stage we are all very succeptable (like it or not, believe it or not, you don't have to accept "da way it is" for it to be as such). It's at this time that (as bluemax here said) "garbage in, garbage out".

The good news is, we all outgrow that stage. Eventually (again, generally around age 12) we have created for ourselves a set of beliefs, values, and principles that we feel are most important - we are who we're gonna be. Of course, we also create a list of the things that matter least. It's not that you can never change, it's just that "It's damn hard" after that point as we always view things "our way". At/by this point outside influences have far less an affect, or at least anything not terribly based on peer pressure, and by this stage, things like Doom 3 simply are not an issue, we've already decided if (to us) it's real, or if it's simply a game.

Here ends sermon, all rise for the Gospel...

- Chaz

*Flame suit on, cue angry 12-year-olds with slingshots*
"NUH-UH, Not me, Mommy says I'm super special!"

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: edro13
They are a perfect example of why this country is so fuct up. Do they work for the FCC by chance?

:thumbsup:

Tell them the truth... The true devil is religion.

 

[n0cmonkey]

I think it is funny that a christian or psuedo christian can look down on games like Doom3, yet promote the bible which is one of the most obscene books you can buy.

And there is nothing wrong with the pentacle, or pentagram. In fact, it was a symbol of good for quite a while until one particular group decided to give it an evil connotation.