Doom 3/Half-Life 2 PC?

Macaw

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Anyone seen an article or have some thoughts to post on what a good Doom 3/Half-Life 2 PC might look like?

I'm particularily interested in what a nice PC bought around the time those games are released would have. What's coming down the pipe from NVidia, ATI, Intel, and AMD for enthusiasts?
 

sniperruff

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you might get some replies if you don't PM people with message like "moron" or posting moronic replies on other people's serious questions

thank you and have a nice day
 

GaryShandling

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Buy yourself a time machine, preferably off newegg. Hop in, go forward 6 months, jot down current bleeding edge components on your bestbuy notepad. Hop back in go back to present, and dont do anything considering you cant buy the components for 6 months anyway.

"This message was brought to you by rotgut. When you absaloutelly positivelly need something to drink and dont care what it is, choose rotgut"
 

Confused

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If those are the only games you're wanting a machine for, wait til they're out!!!


We don't know what spec machine you'll need for games that aren't out yet any more than you do



And LOL @ GaryShandling


Confused
 

rbV5

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If nothing else, it better have a BLACK* PANASONIC 1.44 MB DENSITY FLOPPY DISK DRIVE, MODEL # JU-256A-198P...minimum, probably 2 for Doom 3 to speed things up a bit.
 

GaryShandling

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Originally posted by: rbV5
If nothing else, it better have a BLACK* PANASONIC 1.44 MB DENSITY FLOPPY DISK DRIVE, MODEL # JU-256A-198P...minimum, probably 2 for Doom 3 to speed things up a bit.

That is correct, doom 3 will be available in floppy. 400 thousand floppys to be precise.
 

rbV5

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That is correct, doom 3 will be available in floppy. 400 thousand floppys to be precise
Actually, it will require a floppy to verify the CD for copy write protection, all you guys without floppy drives will be screwed.
 

Slogun

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I have read that HL2 will be scaled to run adequately on machines down to 700mhz.
It seems that most folks building/buying future-proof machines right now are going for P4 systems with 800mhz FSB and CPUs ranging from 2.4 to 3.+ ghz.

I have not heard specifics about Doom3, but I have a hunch that it may be more hardware demanding than HL2.

The July issue of CPU magazine has a lot of info about the latest and upcoming hardware.
 

jacktesterson

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Originally posted by: Macaw
Anyone seen an article or have some thoughts to post on what a good Doom 3/Half-Life 2 PC might look like?

I'm particularily interested in what a nice PC bought around the time those games are released would have. What's coming down the pipe from NVidia, ATI, Intel, and AMD for enthusiasts?




the answer to your question is a Pentium 233 MMX, the MMX technology does wonders in the world of gaming, especially when paired up with a 16MB Voodoo video card and 32 MB of ram. Now that will run those games hassel free "moron"
 

dmw16

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Ok, I am probably gonna get crap for this...but here it goes. My current system is:
XP1700+ @ 2.2Ghz
Epox 8RDA (nforce2)
512MB PC2100
Radeon 9500 @ 324/317
I have tried the Doom3 Alpha on my system and it is playable at 1024x768. So I assume that the alpha is non optimized code. So if it runs on my machine I would assume that if you build something faster it will run. Also, I would say it is a safe assumption that doom3 is gonna require more machine than HL2. On another note, I think Doom3 could be a while away now. ALl the places I have seen online have taken it off of their site...as in you cant even preorder anymore. So my guess it is could be delayed.
-doug
 

gf4200isdabest

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Originally posted by: dmw16
Ok, I am probably gonna get crap for this...but here it goes. My current system is:
XP1700+ @ 2.2Ghz
Epox 8RDA (nforce2)
512MB PC2100
Radeon 9500 @ 324/317
I have tried the Doom3 Alpha on my system and it is playable at 1024x768. So I assume that the alpha is non optimized code. So if it runs on my machine I would assume that if you build something faster it will run. Also, I would say it is a safe assumption that doom3 is gonna require more machine than HL2. On another note, I think Doom3 could be a while away now. ALl the places I have seen online have taken it off of their site...as in you cant even preorder anymore. So my guess it is could be delayed.
-doug

1) I think you're wrong about the delay. You're just speculating based on shaky evidence.
2) Off course your system will run doom3!! That system, when compared to the average consumer's, is probably amongst the top 5%. iD would be out of their minds to release a game that doesn't run on that system especially at 1024x768.
 

dmw16

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True, the delay is speculation. But Ebgames.com had doom3 on their site and now they dont. Just seems odd.
-doug
 

gramboh

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I'm guessing Christmas season for both games, possibly later for Doom 3 (it's unclear how much is done on either title, the engines seem done but developing content must take forever with the amount of detail involved).

The game will probably scale down to Geforce2 levels but probably not look very good. If you buy a top of the line system when either game is released, you will likely be able to push 100fps at 1024x768 high detail without FSAA/Ansio (this is pure guesswork based on the videos of HL2 running on a Radeon 9800 Pro).
 

DT4K

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Wow, this Macaw guy seems to be the most hated guy around.

HL2 is still scheduled for release at the end of September. Of course it could get delayed.
But as others have said, the engine was designed to be very scalable to lower end machines.

So decide how much you want to spend and buy the best you can get for the money, moron.
 

Macaw

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Originally posted by: Shanti
Wow, this Macaw guy seems to be the most hated guy around.

I do my best.... but it's very hard to please folks who LOVE THEIR FLOPPY DRIVES!

 

Bonesdad

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Originally posted by: Macaw
Originally posted by: Shanti
Wow, this Macaw guy seems to be the most hated guy around.

I do my best.... but it's very hard to please folks who LOVE THEIR FLOPPY DRIVES!



I love my hard disk...don't like my flaccid disk.
 

BenSkywalker

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For Half-Life2 more then likely the fastes processor you can buy will be your best bet with a fairly decent vid card.

For Doom3 the fastest vid card you can buy will likely be your best bet with a fairly decent processor.

Half-Life2 I would expect should run fairly decent on mid tier(by AT standards) rigs even at decent settings, should play fine on the high end machines. With the physics engine they are using I expect it to be a bit more processor bound then vid card until you really start to crank things up. Judging by the visuals it appears that at most it is using some DX8 level features and Valve has already said that the minimum vid card requirements are TNT2 level boards(although obviously with low detail).

For Doom3 the game mainly revolves around the DX7 level feature set, but makes decent use of some DX8 level shaders but at the highest end it exceeds the DX9 feature set(the game supports FP32) however based on Carmacks comments at that point you won't be able to pick out the differences easily(if at all, comparing FP16-FP24-FP32). So, in a theoretical sense at least, you would need a FX board to run Doom3 at the 'highest' detail settings, although even those with FX 5900 Ultras are likely to run the game in FP16 so any DX9 level board should be able to handle D3 on a feature set basis at least. The game is shipping with a NV10 code path, so even the original GeForce should be able to run the game(lowest detail settings, likely a fairly low framerate too), out of the current boards and based on what we have seen it appears that the FX5800/5900 series boards are the best for Doom3 at the moment(makes sense as the game will utilize heavy stencil fill loads which is where the FX58/59 will be at their best relative to their peers).

On the RAM end, I would say that 512MB is likely going to be the sweet spot for both Doom3 and HL2. HL2's large environments will likely benefit from exceeding 256MB of RAM although it wouldn't surprise me if Valve did have a fairly well optimized level break up/loading scheme as they pulled it off quite nicely in the original Half-Life, I'd still adivse 512MB. Doom3 is going to be cramped in comparison to HL2 but the texture load appears to be significantly higher then anything we have seen to date comparing like sized environments. A texture load of around 80MB is being talked about, enough to make it advisable to move to 512MB if you haven't already.
 

GnomeCop

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go get whatever is top of the line today.





you didn't say you wanted to save money.
 

GonzoDaGr8

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Originally posted by: rbV5
If nothing else, it better have a BLACK* PANASONIC 1.44 MB DENSITY FLOPPY DISK DRIVE, MODEL # JU-256A-198P...minimum, probably 2 for Doom 3 to speed things up a bit.
Hey, Think it would be possible to hook up 2-4 1.44's in a RAID 0 array? Damn, Now that would be fast.
 

gramboh

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I spent $30 CAD on one of those stupid black floppy drives for my new system haha.

HL2 appears to have larger more "open" scenes with many enemies/models interacting at once where Doom 3 has been described as/appears to be a series of interactions with a small number of highly detailed enemies in close quaters. I think both games would benefit from 1 gig of 512meg RAM since current gen games like BF1942 and UT2003 allocate 600+ meg with max detail.
 
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