DOOM updated with Vulkan support

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3DVagabond

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I know that full well, but what good is it if it runs at 80C+ as the reviews show and end up getting thermal throttled? It's still better to get an aftermarket GTX 1060 that runs at 60C.

Do you think aftermarket 480's are going to run in the 80°'s? It's not unusual at all for reference cards to run in the 80°+ range.
 

nismotigerwvu

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There is so much misinformation and no credible sources for anything. Some people say DX12 and Vulkan help those with weaker CPUs, but I'm simply not seeing it. It seems to help those who have a relatively weaker GPU and stronger CPU the most, and helps least those who have a relatively stronger GPU and weaker CPU.

Both Vulkan and DX12 INCREASE CPU utilization, so how can it help those who were already CPU bottlenecked (read: had high CPU usage) before?

It's making better use of those cycles. The whole point is to reduce overhead.
 

hsjj3

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and that is why you are lying

Well maybe I'm missing something then? Care to point out what is it? Crux of the matter is I have a prebuilt Dell. A 160W+ GPU (even aftermarket) produces much more heat than a 120W GPU. As it is, the 120W GPU is already getting rather high temps for me (you can see my Anandtech posting history, I've talked about it).

Trust me, with the obvious lead in DX12 games and with DX12 being the future, coupled with the fact that it has a lower pricepoint and 2GB more VRAM...I would like to get the RX 480. But the simple matter is more power usage = more heat, and that's the limiting factor for me.
 

DisarmedDespot

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As it is, the 120W GPU is already getting rather high temps for me (you can see my Anandtech posting history, I've talked about it).

TBQH it's probably best to not mention your post history, mate. One of your threads got stickied as an example of a troll thread.
 

Irenicus

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Well maybe I'm missing something then? Care to point out what is it? Crux of the matter is I have a prebuilt Dell. A 160W+ GPU (even aftermarket) produces much more heat than a 120W GPU. As it is, the 120W GPU is already getting rather high temps for me (you can see my Anandtech posting history, I've talked about it).

Trust me, with the obvious lead in DX12 games and with DX12 being the future, coupled with the fact that it has a lower pricepoint and 2GB more VRAM...I would like to get the RX 480. But the simple matter is more power usage = more heat, and that's the limiting factor for me.

I feel so sorry for people where 20-30 watts makes or breaks their choices.


stone walls do not a prison make, nor iron bars a cage

-doc oc

... unless you limit yourself to prebuilt dell components and refuse to open the side of the case or something (that's what I do without even needed to)

Free yourself from these limitations!
 

hsjj3

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I feel so sorry for people where 20-30 watts makes or breaks their choices.


stone walls do not a prison make, nor iron bars a cage

-doc oc

... unless you limit yourself to prebuilt dell components and refuse to open the side of the case or something (that's what I do without even needed to)

Free yourself from these limitations!

It's 40-45W for the reference RX 480, a good 35% above 120W. And I'm quite sure the increase in heat produced is non linear.

I tried lots of stuff, but yeah short of some pretty huge case mods I'm stuck with this. Some guys suggested I drill holes and what not but that's above what I am capable of.

Just imagine, hitting 80C on a GTX 960. It's a terrible case and I live in the tropics that produce terrible heat.
 
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@hsjj3
If you are actually genuinely interested in 480 vs 1060 for a purchase, suggest you wait to see how custom cards run. Example, the 480 Nitro is releasing soon.

http://videocardz.com/62101/more-pictures-of-custom-radeon-rx-480-graphics-cards-emerge

^ These guys say maybe the 13th July. To spoil the 1060's launch.

You won't be getting the $299 reference 1060 anyway since NV's reference cards run 80-82C.

The extra power consumption has to be weighed against the DX12 and Vulkan performance in the years that you will keep your GPU.

Let's see some upcoming titles on DX12: Battlefield 1, Deus Ex MD, Watch Dogs 2, Gears of Wars 4, Forza Horizon, Sniper Elite 4.. all of these titles are major ones, which should be included in review sites. I'm sure there will be huge swings where AMD GCN GPUs get a free performance tier upgrade.
 

faseman

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It's 40-45W for the reference RX 480, a good 35% above 120W.

Are you really trying to make this thread about the rx 480? Your attempts to derail every discussion are so obvious.


Back on topic! More evidence to the pile that AMD gpus are built to last. Some of these gains are insane.
 

boozzer

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Are you really trying to make this thread about the rx 480? Your attempts to derail every discussion are so obvious.


Back on topic! More evidence to the pile that AMD gpus are built to last. Some of these gains are insane.
hehe, check the other thread. derail attempts are real. D: he can't be subtle right now as the benchmarks are flooding every tech site/forum I visit.
 

hsjj3

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@hsjj3
If you are actually genuinely interested in 480 vs 1060 for a purchase, suggest you wait to see how custom cards run. Example, the 480 Nitro is releasing soon.

http://videocardz.com/62101/more-pictures-of-custom-radeon-rx-480-graphics-cards-emerge

^ These guys say maybe the 13th July. To spoil the 1060's launch.

You won't be getting the $299 reference 1060 anyway since NV's reference cards run 80-82C.

The extra power consumption has to be weighed against the DX12 and Vulkan performance in the years that you will keep your GPU.

Let's see some upcoming titles on DX12: Battlefield 1, Deus Ex MD, Watch Dogs 2, Gears of Wars 4, Forza Horizon, Sniper Elite 4.. all of these titles are major ones, which should be included in review sites. I'm sure there will be huge swings where AMD GCN GPUs get a free performance tier upgrade.

Trust me good sir. I know DX12 is the future.

Heck, I even have both Quantum Break on Windows Store and Hitman on Steam purchased and ready to go. Both I've been holding off cause I thought it'd be a blast playing these DX12 games on an RX 480.

Sure, I'll wait for the benchmarks/reviews for both 1060 and 480, but the 480 in an absolute best case scenario will produce as much heat as a 970, and from my own research I had to forego the 970 due to heat.

I won't discuss this here any further. Maybe I'll make a new thread in a few days if I need more advise. But trust me when I say, even 120W EVGA 960 goes to 89C when I use Furmark without temp limits.
 

JDG1980

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Well maybe I'm missing something then? Care to point out what is it? Crux of the matter is I have a prebuilt Dell. A 160W+ GPU (even aftermarket) produces much more heat than a 120W GPU. As it is, the 120W GPU is already getting rather high temps for me (you can see my Anandtech posting history, I've talked about it).

Trust me, with the obvious lead in DX12 games and with DX12 being the future, coupled with the fact that it has a lower pricepoint and 2GB more VRAM...I would like to get the RX 480. But the simple matter is more power usage = more heat, and that's the limiting factor for me.

The reference RX 480 has a blower-type cooler, so shouldn't this shoot all the heat out of the case anyway? That's why OEMs tend to prefer blowers.
 

garagisti

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Trust me good sir. I know DX12 is the future.

Heck, I even have both Quantum Break on Windows Store and Hitman on Steam purchased and ready to go. Both I've been holding off cause I thought it'd be a blast playing these DX12 games on an RX 480.

Sure, I'll wait for the benchmarks/reviews for both 1060 and 480, but the 480 in an absolute best case scenario will produce as much heat as a 970, and from my own research I had to forego the 970 due to heat.

I won't discuss this here any further. Maybe I'll make a new thread in a few days if I need more advise. But trust me when I say, even 120W EVGA 960 goes to 89C when I use Furmark without temp limits.
If you're so worried, buy the AIB version, and undervolt it. 480 is seemingly responding fairly well. I'm looking forward to reviews of Powercolor's Devil, and of course some others. Hopefully Asus will also come with a good new cooler than repurposing some old poop.

On topic:
@Silverforce11...
Man, i almost crapped me pants looking at the gains on a 7970.
 

AnandThenMan

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If your case can't even tolerate a ~150 watt card time to upgrade there are many many inexpensive choices out there.

Back on topic I am delighted to see Vulkan starting to gain traction the day we are no longer a slave to a Microsoft OS for gaming I will be celebrating.
 
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The reference RX 480 has a blower-type cooler, so shouldn't this shoot all the heat out of the case anyway? That's why OEMs tend to prefer blowers.

Right. The entire purpose of blower reference is blowing all the heat out a case, this ensures that it runs optimum inside poor airflow cases, small cases, etc. Open air coolers will struggle in crap pre-built rigs or small mITX.

@AnandThenMan

It's a shame that Vulkan isn't pushed more heavily, because Win 10 UWP DX12 isn't what I like as a future for gaming personally. Being Vulkan runs on Win 7, 8, 10 & Linux, should be the goto API.
 

JDG1980

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It's a shame that Vulkan isn't pushed more heavily, because Win 10 UWP DX12 isn't what I like as a future for gaming personally. Being Vulkan runs on Win 7, 8, 10 & Linux, should be the goto API.

Agreed. It's cross-platform, and it seems to produce nice performance gains on a variety of architectures (even Kepler by some accounts!) Looks like a better choice all-around than DX12.
 

CuriousMike

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I could never get VSYNC to work with DOOM and my 390.... I'm going to have to reload and see if this fixes that for me.

VSYNC locked me to 30fps with OpenGL.

With Vulkan, I can now get the expected 60fps lock.

2560x1440xR9 390 w/VSYNC = ~230-280w
2560x1440xR9 390 w/oVSYNC = ~360-395w
 

hsjj3

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How easy is it to implement Vulcan vs DX12 for AAA devs?

Any AAA games slated to get Vulcan aside from upcoming idTech games?
 

24601

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Wow, didn't know Nvidia's OpenGL driver was that good.

Impressive.

Lol @ people trying to have it both ways by saying there was nothing wrong with AMD's OpenGL driver and also saying that "magical" performance is gotten from Vulkan.
 

Bacon1

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Right. The entire purpose of blower reference is blowing all the heat out a case, this ensures that it runs optimum inside poor airflow cases, small cases, etc. Open air coolers will struggle in crap pre-built rigs or small mITX.

@AnandThenMan

It's a shame that Vulkan isn't pushed more heavily, because Win 10 UWP DX12 isn't what I like as a future for gaming personally. Being Vulkan runs on Win 7, 8, 10 & Linux, should be the goto API.

I'm sure we will end up seeing a lot of engines that are Vulkan + DX12 in the future. Vulkan for Win 7 / 8(.1) and DX12 for XB1 / Win 10.

It will allow developers to ditch the slow DX11 codepaths and focus on performance.
 

Bacon1

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Wow, didn't know Nvidia's OpenGL driver was that good.

Impressive.

Lol @ people trying to have it both ways by saying there was nothing wrong with AMD's OpenGL driver and also saying that "magical" performance is gotten from Vulkan.

390 vs 970 were almost same FPS in OpenGL already... so yeah, where are the opengl issues exactly?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-doom-face-off

and



http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-radeon-r9-rx-480-8gb-review,14.html
 
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Wow, didn't know Nvidia's OpenGL driver was that good.

Impressive.

Lol @ people trying to have it both ways by saying there was nothing wrong with AMD's OpenGL driver and also saying that "magical" performance is gotten from Vulkan.

Can you tell me what's wrong with AMD's OpenGL for Doom?

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_r9_rx_480_8gb_review,14.html

Compare the 290, 290X, 390, 390X vs 970 and 980. Around that ballpark.

Certainly not as horrible as Project Cars deficit.

RX 480 gains up to 50% with Vulkan for example with AC enabled. So does Fury Nano (PCGH claims +50%).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlzKPBIjZPo

Btw, a 50% faster Nano is actually GTX 1080 or faster.
 
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